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Bruce Francis (Part3)

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ajs_bigfooty said:
It won't let me register on Bombertalk. I never get the activate email. I'm not that bad! ;-(
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im trying to register as well. Is this anything to do with the old bombertalk that was around many moons ago? i was a regular back then. trying to find another place to talk bombers as blitz just doesnt cut it for me.
 
Ancient Tiger said:
I have now established a "joust" with the great man on bombertalk4.com.
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Thank you! I am reading the thread with interest. It is a very civilised conversation so far with some good tidbits on the specifics. Just what I wanted.

Hopefully the conversation does not get derailed, you are clearly making every effort to ensure that it does not. It will be interesting to see what comes of it.
 

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I noticed BF is now saying he is convinced some players received TB4, so therefore he must be convinced ASADA have evidence to show it got to the club.
I wonder then what Bruce thinks about the consents and if the players need to provide some (any) proof that is was not TB4?
 
LoungeLizard said:
I noticed BF is now saying he is convinced some players received TB4, so therefore he must be convinced ASADA have evidence to show it got to the club.
I wonder then what Bruce thinks about the consents and if the players need to provide some (any) proof that is was not TB4?
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His direct quote was:

"I acknowledge that some of them may have been administered TB4. But also say as there is no evidence TB4 was supplied, and even if there were evidence of it being supplied, there is no way of proving which individuals were administered it. Therefore they all have to be cleared."

He didn't say he was conviced some players received TB4, unless he has posted this elsewhere. I can't answer as to the second part of your statement, I don't know if he has changed his position because of his conversation with AT (originally his argument rested on Thymosin consent does not equal TB4 consent). He may wish to verify what AT told him independently first.
 
Max Headroom said:
His direct quote was:

"I acknowledge that some of them may have been administered TB4. But also say as there is no evidence TB4 was supplied, and even if there were evidence of it being supplied, there is no way of proving which individuals were administered it. Therefore they all have to be cleared."

He didn't say he was conviced some players received TB4, unless he has posted this elsewhere. I can't answer as to the second part of your statement, I don't know if he has changed his position because of his conversation with AT (originally his argument rested on Thymosin consent does not equal TB4 consent). He may wish to verify what AT told him independently first.
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So he's basically accepting that the players were given TB4. The evidence then must be pretty compelling.
 
Max Headroom said:
His direct quote was:

"I acknowledge that some of them may have been administered TB4. But also say as there is no evidence TB4 was supplied, and even if there were evidence of it being supplied, there is no way of proving which individuals were administered it. Therefore they all have to be cleared."

He didn't say he was conviced some players received TB4, unless he has posted this elsewhere. I can't answer as to the second part of your statement, I don't know if he has changed his position because of his conversation with AT (originally his argument rested on Thymosin consent does not equal TB4 consent). He may wish to verify what AT told him independently first.
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His argument is that you can't ban 34 players unless you can show 34 players received it.
And a lot of people seem to think the players don't need to prove anything.
I am saying IF asada has evidence that TB4 was at the club and some players did receive it, then the players DO need to show some proof.
If 34 players signed those consents, then 34 players may get banned if they have nothing
 

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LoungeLizard said:
His argument is that you can't ban 34 players unless you can show 34 players received it.
And a lot of people seem to think the players don't need to prove anything.
I am saying IF asada has evidence that TB4 was at the club and some players did receive it, then the players DO need to show some proof.
If 34 players signed those consents, then 34 players may get banned if they have nothing
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If I poke the bear too hard, it won't be civilised. I think we'll get more out of the conversation by being circumspect.
 
All discussion, including bruce's most recent, seems to be that you cannot prove what was in each syringe even if you can prove TB4 was provided to the club with the intention of giving it to the playing group. This is the last bastion my friends.
 
LoungeLizard said:
His argument is that you can't ban 34 players unless you can show 34 players received it.
And a lot of people seem to think the players don't need to prove anything.
I am saying IF asada has evidence that TB4 was at the club and some players did receive it, then the players DO need to show some proof.
If 34 players signed those consents, then 34 players may get banned if they have nothing
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Correct.
Players don't have to prove anything.
Onus is 100% on ASADA to prove that each and every one of the 34 players used TB4.
 
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