Roast Bryce Gibbs

[Scorpus]

We actually gave Melbourne our 2nd rounder in the Lever trade.

As for comparing the two, the numbers suggest that we paid far more for Gibbs that we received for Lever.

Regardless of the mental gymnastics that people want to try and play with the Gibbs trade, the reality is that we got screwed and paid massive overs.

Gibbs + Pick 24 (2018) and 44 (2018) for 10, 16 and 33 (2018)
Lever + Pick 37 (2017) and 47 (2018) for 10 and 19

(P10+P16+P33)-(P24-P44) = 1878 points paid for Gibbs
(P10+P19)-(P37-P47) = 1544 points received for Lever

1878 = the equivalent of Pick 5 paid for Gibbs
1544 = the equivalent of Pick 8 received for Lever

Using the points system? Really? Come on mate

 

[Pugsley]

Have you read his posts?

Have no interest. If I want to read crap, I buy the Powertiser.

 

[1970crow]

His dropping such a non-event that it didn’t even warrant a post in his roast thread. Has fallen a hell of a long way.

 

[kulak]

Using the points system? Really? Come on mate

You can ignore the points number at the end and it’s still obvious we paid more for Gibbs than we received for Lever

 

[John Who]

His dropping such a non-event that it didn’t even warrant a post in his roast thread. Has fallen a hell of a long way.

Seems like we’re all desensitised by the omission - his 4th this year.

It’s clear at the moment, Gibbs has become a fringe player unless he can swing his form around to last year’s output.

 

[John Who]

You can ignore the points number at the end and it’s still obvious we paid more for Gibbs than we received for Lever

It’s only obvious in hindsight. Back then nobody on BF was pumping their chest and claiming the Gibbs deal would be a bust.

Also, comparing the Gibbs deal to the Lever deal is a superficial debate. Lever was handily and easily replaced by Doedee. Gibbs was an acquisition that was needed at the time due to our midfield lacking a solid presence with good skills.

 

[GROTTO]

Gibbs probably wishing he never left Carlton, where his sub standard mediocre performance would have been looked over.

 

[kulak]

It’s only obvious in hindsight. Back then nobody on BF was pumping their chest and claiming the Gibbs deal would be a bust.

Also, comparing the Gibbs deal to the Lever deal is a superficial debate. Lever was handily and easily replaced by Doedee. Gibbs was an acquisition that was needed at the time due to our midfield lacking a solid presence with good skills.

No need to lie. Several people said at the time the Gibbs deal would be a bust. Not the majority, but there were a few.

Gibbs would have been needed if he was the player his boosters said he was. In reality he is the high volume accumulator with OK skills that his numbers said he was at Carlton. He is a worse version of the Crouch lads. Not the type of player we need. I am not convinced he is worth the cap space he takes up, let alone the trade price we paid - which is more than the price we got for Lever.

 

[skam85]

Gibbs should be getting on the phone to Chris Mayne for some advice on how to turn it around.

Mayne for all intents and purposes was done in 2017, even Buckley basically admitted to it.
Less than a year later, he's best 22, playing a GF and has solidified his position again this year.

 

[SaltPeter]

If there's a bright side, at the media have now stopped the "why isn't Bryce in team" BS since his insipid perform against Geelong

 

[Vhaluus]

It’s only obvious in hindsight. Back then nobody on BF was pumping their chest and claiming the Gibbs deal would be a bust.

Also, comparing the Gibbs deal to the Lever deal is a superficial debate. Lever was handily and easily replaced by Doedee. Gibbs was an acquisition that was needed at the time due to our midfield lacking a solid presence with good skills.

Really? want me to start quoting some of my posts from the time?

I strongly recall saying at the time he wasn't even worth a single first rounder and people ridiculing me.

Guess who has got the last laugh on that one?

 

[Vhaluus]

Seems like we’re all desensitised by the omission - his 4th this year.

It’s clear at the moment, Gibbs has become a fringe player unless he can swing his form around to last year’s output.

He shouldn't even be seen as fringe.

Hopefully he actually stays out of the side so the selectors are showing they realize he's very clearly not best 22.

 

[Tex200]

No need to lie. Several people said at the time the Gibbs deal would be a bust. Not the majority, but there were a few.

Gibbs would have been needed if he was the player his boosters said he was. In reality he is the high volume accumulator with OK skills that his numbers said he was at Carlton. He is a worse version of the Crouch lads. Not the type of player we need. I am not convinced he is worth the cap space he takes up, let alone the trade price we paid - which is more than the price we got for Lever.

This reminds me of the wise old US sports saying:

You are what your record says you are.

Suspect when the smoke on all the alleged personal issues clears, what’s left is a record at Carlton that was solid, but that’s all.

 

[Vhaluus]

This reminds me of the wise old US sports saying:

You are what your record says you are.

Suspect when the smoke on all the alleged personal issues clears, what’s left is a record at Carlton that was solid, but that’s all.

Solid by Carlton standards, or by real AFL team standards?

 

[Tex200]

Solid by Carlton standards, or by real AFL team standards?

By AFL standards of course.

Carlton don’t spend their season playing internal trials

 

[chazwazza]

If there's a bright side, at the media have now stopped the "why isn't Bryce in team" BS since his insipid perform against Geelong

Well not all, Rucci is still beating it to death.
Personally, I don’t give a rats tossbag why Gibbs is or isn’t in the team, be it form, personal issues or an internal issue, the fact is he’s not in the team and is out of form.
For someone like Rucci to be demanding to know the reasons from Pyke is laughable......it’s none of his f***ing business or anyone else’s for that matter.

 

[John Who]

No need to lie. Several people said at the time the Gibbs deal would be a bust. Not the majority, but there were a few.

Gibbs would have been needed if he was the player his boosters said he was. In reality he is the high volume accumulator with OK skills that his numbers said he was at Carlton. He is a worse version of the Crouch lads. Not the type of player we need. I am not convinced he is worth the cap space he takes up, let alone the trade price we paid - which is more than the price we got for Lever.

Of course there would be opposing viewpoints in a footy forum such that some would think the Gibbs trade unlikely to do us any good. However, my point was that no one could be certain of this and I certainly did not see anyone pumping their chest about with this opinion as though they’d bet their house on it.

Furthermore, to predict the Gibbs trade would be a bust is already partially incorrect, because he ended up being 4th in our BnF last year. I would think without him last year, we might have been possibly competing for the bottom 4 spots!

 

[John Who]

Really? want me to start quoting some of my posts from the time?

I strongly recall saying at the time he wasn't even worth a single first rounder and people ridiculing me.

Guess who has got the last laugh on that one?

Good on you for guessing it “right”. It would have been more right if he actually flopped it last year, which would be the year of more relevance to your opinion regarding the trade.

 

[dogs105]

Really? want me to start quoting some of my posts from the time?

I strongly recall saying at the time he wasn't even worth a single first rounder and people ridiculing me.

Guess who has got the last laugh on that one?

True. Vhaluus said he was a B grade player in a poor side. Not worth 16. Not worth $600k.

Seems pretty accurate now, unless he gets back to his best.

 

[kulak]

Of course there would be opposing viewpoints in a footy forum such that some would think the Gibbs trade unlikely to do us any good. However, my point was that no one could be certain of this and I certainly did not see anyone pumping their chest about with this opinion as though they’d bet their house on it.

Furthermore, to predict the Gibbs trade would be a bust is already partially incorrect, because he ended up being 4th in our BnF last year. I would think without him last year, we might have been possibly competing for the bottom 4 spots!

Perhaps you have put the smart posters on ignore?

Vhaluus for one, certainly not the only one, identified that it was a bad idea, for the exact reason it proved to be a bad idea. Which is that his supposed elite skills that would complement our inside mids did not exist. And therefore he provides very little we don’t already get from Sloane MCrouch BCrouch Greenwood CEY etc.

It was obvious last season. 12th in our B&F on votes per game was poor for a player who was that expensive and with limited years remaining for us.

 

[Golumless]

True. Vhaluus said he was a B grade player in a poor side. Not worth 16. Not worth $600k.

Seems pretty accurate now, unless he gets back to his best.

B+/A- would have been where I'd go for him and his body of work at Carlton was worth both 16, and $600k to a side contending for a premiership. Of course, there are two ways to look at someone like that - he'll improve being around better players, and better structures, or he thrived by being one of the main men and cannot adjust well to being lower in the pecking order (a great example of this is actually Richard Douglas).

Good enough to strengthen a premiership aspirant midfield and be that 3rd/4th midfielder if it worked out (and really midfield strength is key to a premiership). Unfortunately, we didn't get that but a lesser player. Them the risks of the acquisition of a good player, and unfortunately it looks like this one that meets that risk.

I think at this point we can rule out that Gibbs will ever get back to his best, a shame really.

 

[Crow till I die]

AFL 2019: Bryce Gibbs’ AFL career could be over, says Mark Robinson

‘Fall-off has been drastic’: Dumped Crow’s career could be over

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Weiterbot23]

Many of you are stating that you don’t think Gibbs is worth the cap space of between 600-800k a year

Would you be willing to give him back for a 4th rounder and pay only 100k per year of the remaining 2 years of his contract.

Frees up some cap space for a guy playing SANFL

 

[Morning_Fog]

I think he is done for this season however, I don’t think the crows will trade or delist him.

I think he has one more pre season in his legs to see if he can recapture some of his elite level skill and confidence. It would surprise me if he was given the flick at the end of the season.

 

[Morning_Fog]

Many of you are stating that you don’t think Gibbs is worth the cap space of between 600-800k a year

Would you be willing to give him back for a 4th rounder and pay only 100k per year of the remaining 2 years of his contract.

Frees up some cap space for a guy playing SANFL

If Carlton were interested in a trade, I’d go for our first round pick and pay 100% of his salary. Meaning Carlton gets Gibbs for free salary wise.