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Bull Fighting

Bull Fighting is:

  • Cruel and should be banned immediately

    Votes: 25 32.5%

  • I have no opinion on it

    Votes: 7 9.1%

  • It should be allowed to continue for years to come

    Votes: 45 58.4%
  • Total voters
    77

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Tonight on the ABC I saw a show which sickened me. It was a show on bull fighting. I don't know what the appeal of such a sport as this is, where the poor bull is tortured to death.

It is speared, teased and has spikes thrown at it from every angle, until at last the poor thing falls over and bleeds to death in front of a large crowd.

These bulls are raised and looked after for four years, given the best of everything only to be tortured to death by what I can only class as morons. This maybe the most popular sport in Spain, but it just goes to prove what a heartless country of people they can be at times.

The best thing that can happen is for this sport to be banned, it is cruel beyond belief to see what these bulls goes through, how horribly and painfully they die. To make matters worse, if the matador is seen to be "brave" he is given the ears and tail of the bull he has just butchered in front of the crowd.

You all know my opinion on the matter, what is yours?

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Jennifer
 
Re: Re: Bull Fighting

Originally posted by Brett Li


typical uninformed opinion. seen it on TV, suddenly become an expert. I hope, I hope you don't eat meat, or we are really going to have a laugh at you here.
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Before you get all high and mighty on me, yes I do eat meat. I object to the way they treat this animal, what it is subjected to before it finally dies, to be tortured and teased in this way. There is such a thing as a humane death, that is what I am trying to say.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Bull Fighting

Originally posted by Brett Li


What like being carted around an abatoir and picking up on the distress signals and noises from beasts next door, the air thick with death, all so you can eat your Beefburger?. I think you were the one to get high and mighty.

An animal is NOT tortured and teased. THe reason an animal is caped is to tire it out so the Matador can place the sword cleanly for a clean kill. If you'd been to a proper Bullfight, you would see the distaste shown by a spanish crowd, when a Matador butchers a beast. The "fight" lasts for a maximum of 12 minutes, much of this is rest inbetween caping. Bullfighting demands exceptional feats of bravey, much more than you show devouring a Beef Lasagne.
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well if that is a proper bull fight, then the ABC certainly did not show anything like that, they showed the bull with blood coming out of its mouth and staggering about before collapsing on the ground. It could be the ABC is guilty of not showing all of the story.
 
A friend of mine watched one live a year or so ago and said it was probably one of the worst things she had ever seen. I haven't really seen much of it before so can't really make a great reply. Really it's just one of those things that some countries enjoy and will never be understood by countries such as ours, and probably rightly so.
 

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I unfortunatly tuned on to the abc for a while whilst this was on, and couldnt stop watching cause i was amazed at how some people can consider a *sport* more like a barbaric bloodletting of an animal infront of imbecilles, like bullfighting noble and artistic.
How is slashing up a poor animal artistic? I dont understand how slashing a bull's shoulder muscles and then baiting it for an hour untill its unholy death can be considered a sport. My only wish is that the tables can be turned and the star sequinned matadors can get a taste of their own medicine.
 
Depends in Brazil they kill the bull, but in Portugal the bull lives. I want to go and see bull fighting when I go to Portugal. My fiances family have cable Portugese tv whereit's on all the time. The bull don't die and plenty of people seem to enjoy it.
 
Solve the problem. Give the bulls a sword and THEN we can call it a sport. As it is, seems a bit one-sided to me.

As for it being art, I look forward to public seal clubbing at the National Gallery of Victoria. When does the season start?
 
Solve the problem. Give the bulls a sword and THEN we can call it a sport. As it is, seems a bit one-sided to me.

As for it being art, I look forward to public seal clubbing at the National Gallery of Victoria. When does the season start?
 
There is only one thing I like about bull fighting & that's when the bull gets the matador, I know the bull is still going to die, but at least he has got revenge on his tormentor & torturer.:mad:
 

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You are a sick person Mantis:D
 
well if that is a proper bull fight, then the ABC certainly did not show anything like that, they showed the bull with blood coming out of its mouth and staggering about before collapsing on the ground. It could be the ABC is guilty of not showing all of the story.
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Me thinks the ABC is biased in that it is taking one side of the story and filming and creating the documentary from this bias. Regardless, bullfighting is part of Spanish culture and tradition over there dating back to the 1700s. Therefore that's sometimes why people outside of this culture don't really understand why it is what it is. I personally don't really give a stuff about it and i don't care if they keep bullfighting or ban it.
 
It is (historically) a huge part of some cultures like Spain. It should stay, it may be barbaraic but is part of culture, Bullfighting to Spain is like celebrating Christmas. It has happened for centuries, and it won't stop for centuries.
 
it's difficult not to be ethnocentric about things, but if we try not to be, we should be consistent. those who have cited cultural eccentricities include the japanese and norwegians who kill whales for food, the koreans who torture and eat dogs, the french who pump fat into geese to fatten their livers up to make foie gras, the africans who cut a small hole in cattle to drink their blood, the chinese who insert a tap into sun bears to extract their bile while they are still alive.

if we were all completely non-ethnocentric, then we should also tolerate these other practices.
 
Brett Li

That is silly, comparing the killing of animals for clothes & food, against a blood sport purely to entertain humans. :rolleyes:
 

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I spent time in Spain going back a year and a half a go, and unfortunatly whilst I was in town, a bullfight was on.
I am by the way, vegan, do not wear leather and don't buy any products that have been made from any leather.

Does the fact that it goes on for 12 minutes make any difference to the fact that they are spearing an animal to death? However long it takes, it takes any dignity from the animal away.
I would guess that the amount of matadors injured from bullfighting would be considerablly less then the amount of bulls killed each year, and anyway, the matador goes into the ring willinging, as opposed to the bull.

Would murdering human beings with swords be condisered an artform if it was done in a collosuem full of people. Why consider an animal any different?
 
Correct Mantis.

I have seen an actual bullfight live on TV. A Cable channel I used to get apparently showed the big Friday night shows on a regular basis (it was a Spanish Channel).

Flicking through the channels one evening I came upon this event. Prior to this I had no real views on the matter.

It made very unpleasant viewing.

Bull Fighting actually makes fox hunting look civilised (at least the fox has a chance).

Of course, they both have their glamourists who call them 'sports' and even 'art' as some weak justification.

They are the sort of things that, a few years after they are banned (and both, eventually will be) people will wonder just how they were ever allowed, in the same way that we consider bear baiting, (banned word?) fighting and Carry On films.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bull Fighting

Originally posted by Brett Li


Look, you watched an ABC documentary featuring, presumably the "opinion/bias"of some documentary editor that probably was trying to get on some bandwagon.

Go to a Bullfight and then jump back on this board
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Just as well the thread wasn't about **** fighting or pitbull fighting.
If nobody can comment on anything they haven't seen for themselves these boards would be very quiet indeed.

(Hmmmm. Would you believe Rooster fighting then?)
 
And bear baiting at one time was a huge part of British culture, as was non landowners and women having no vote, deference to the Lord of the Manor, sending children down mines and up chimneys etc. Rather more than bull murdedring is to Spanish society I would wager.

Where are they now?

Some people claim foxhunting is to big a part of English culture today to change. Just watch.
 
Originally posted by Brett Li


I find the hypocrisy here unbelievable.

People don't have to eat meat or wear leather or fur. Eating a fillet steak could be considered a "luxury"/entertainment. People don't bag on about how fishing is cruel. Since when has it been essential to wear fur of a gucci handbag?.

If you do eat meat and post this drivel, you should be ashamed of yourselves. A noble death (still takes 12 minutes folks) after a life of free living sure beats 2 years in Colonel Saunders Chicken prison, where your neighbour pecks your eyes out next to you, but you wouldn't know because you haven't seen daylight for months.

I think a few of you should actually go to a fight to see that it is in no way degrading to the beast. Instead of watching a dicumentary with a point to prove.

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None of the above has anything to do with bullfighting.
 

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