Burgatron: Phantom Draft

[Mong]

Ok, traditionally, Burgatron has been very accurate with his predictions of our first picks. I believe he correctly predicted our first pick in each of the last four drafts, Angwin, Reilly, Jericho and Watts.

He has now released his phantom draft for this year.

http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=177929

No surprises with our first selection, or is there? He went with Wood just over Monfries and (here's the surprise) someone called Bate. Interesting.

He has Monfries slipping to the Saints at 17.

With picks 24 and 28 he's predicted we take Mark Le Cras (who?) and Heath Grundy.

And at 40 he's got us taking Ben Eckermann. Most BigFooty experts seem to have Eckermann much higher, even in the teens. Now that I think about it, Eckermann hasn't really had much media coverage at all. Maybe he will go lower than many think.

Anyway, those are just some of the interesting points of Burgatrons phantom draft.

I thought it was good, though, as most BigFooty people seem to be putting up similar lists and it was good to see someone produce one quite different, obviously forming his opinion from other sources.


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[conVINCEd]

If Eckerman if available at #24, I'm sure we will take him - let alone at #40.

The possibility of us getting two of Wood, Monfries, Eckerman is simply to good to be true - but I would have kittens if it did eventuate.

I doubt Monfries will last til #17 as Burgan has him.

As you say ****, it is interesting to see a really different phantom draft, with most people following footydraft's lead.

If we could get Wood, Eckerman and Reddedn with our first three picks, I'd cry with joy. (And have kittens, as I said before)

 

[Stiffy_18]

Pick 8 is no real surprise and Matt's reasons for seleceting Wood are very valid. Bit surprised that Monfries is that late. I doubt he would last past Port but if both Meyer and Monfries are there @ 11 I think Port could well go with Meyer because they have shown in the past that they are prepared to draft someone like that. Surely Collingwood will pick up Monfries @ 10 if he does slip. Jordan Russell @ 9, Grundy @ 28 (way too late IMHO) and Eckermann @ 40 is a bit surprising.

I think there is a lot of hype about Eckermann on these boards but I think its all based on 3 good games @ Nationals. He has done sweet ******** all apart from having good nationals.

I think Suggesting that Monfries could slip to 24 is dreaming. He will go 1st round for sure.

 

[Portia]

Bit surprised that Monfries is that late. I doubt he would last past Port but if both Meyer and Monfries are there @ 11 I think Port could well go with Meyer because they have shown in the past that they are not prepared to draft someone like that.

Point of confusion here - pick someone like what?

Monfries? - Carr (#7), Cornes (#20)
Meyer? - M. Stevens (#5), Koulouriotis (#12), S. Burgoyne (#12)

 

[Stiffy_18]

Point of confusion here - pick someone like what?

Monfries? - Carr (#7), Cornes (#20)
Meyer? - M. Stevens (#5), Koulouriotis (#12), S. Burgoyne (#12)

Thats was a typo Porthos.

What I wanted to say was that you guys have shown in teh past that you are repared tp pick up someone like that.

And i was referring to Meyer in saying that you have shown in the past that you are not afraind to use early picks to pick someone that players that running role for which you drafted, Koula and Stevens in teh past

 

[drakeyv2]

I see he has us passing with pick 56 (like most pundits).

I reckon we will use pick 56 & delist Stevens to give us the pre season pick required to grab Fisher.

I find it hard to beleive that after watching him try & get fit for the last 2 years, the next 2 weeks will make a difference.

 

[johnnypanther]

i just had a quick look at the phantom draft so i may have to correct my comments however i would be rapt to be able to get both Wood and Eckermann tho i cant see that happening

and i would rather take Pearce ahead of LeCras

and i would be p....... off however if we passed on pick 56 given some of the talent still left over eg Tom Redden, Juniper

i still hold my earlier belief that the AFC will rue the day it did not manage its list to have another late selection available in this draft (even more so if we dont use 56 in the ND (reminds me of last year - i think Hartlett was available and certainly Surjan was but we couldnt pick either/both of them)

 

[macca23]

i just had a quick look at the phantom draft so i may have to correct my comments however i would be rapt to be able to get both Wood and Eckermann tho i cant see that happening

and i would rather take Pearce ahead of LeCras

and i would be p....... off however if we passed on pick 56 given some of the talent still left over eg Tom Redden, Juniper

i still hold my earlier belief that the AFC will rue the day it did not manage its list to have another late selection available in this draft (even more so if we dont use 56 in the ND (reminds me of last year - i think Hartlett was available and certainly Surjan was but we couldnt pick either/both of them)

I'm with you JP on all accounts.

I'd be very happy to substitute Pearce for LeCras, althought that is a rather jaundiced view as I know what Pearce is like and really rate him and I don't know what LeCras is like.

We should be using pick 56, especially if a Redden or Juniper is still available.

Perhaps we will with the club maybe making the assumption that Stevo won't come up, which then gives the PSD pick.

 

[crowsarethebest]

Well that was a suprising phantom draft. but i've got to say its the closest because burgan takes acout into all their performances. Footydrafts only looks at the National championships

 

[Crow-mosone]

I thought it was good, though, as most BigFooty people seem to be putting up similar lists and it was good to see someone produce one quite different, obviously forming his opinion from other sources.

that's because he has real sources, not making up a cobbled pastiche of unreliable opinions on here.

 

[crowsarethebest]

that's because he has real sources, not making up a cobbled pastiche of unreliable opinions on here.

Quite true, he has every ounce of info that he has and probably seen the players alot more than we have.

 

[Crow-mosone]

I'd be very happy to substitute Pearce for LeCras, althought that is a rather jaundiced view as I know what Pearce is like and really rate him and I don't know what LeCras is like.

good to see someone being honest about this. how can we criticise LeCras when we know stuff all about him?

 

[tinman]

good to see someone being honest about this. how can we criticise LeCras when we know stuff all about him?

LeCras is very highly rated here in WA, but it is no different to SA where the SA lads are talked up and have stories on them in the newspaper.

All will be revealed on Saturday. I think that there is plenty of talent in this draft and we are well placed to come out of it very well.

Not as well of course as Richmond, the Bullies and Hawthorn, but if they pick up any decent South Aussies they will be screaming to come back and play for us in a couple of years anyway

 

[Crowked]

Le Cras @24, Grundy @ 28, Eckermann @40, ??????????

Gibson@14, Monfries @17, ???????????????

either this guy is on drugs or everyone else who has done a phantom draft was on drugs, because the differences are massive.

the only thing for sure other than the first 6 picks is I have no ************ idea who we will go for.

 

[mymansyd]

the only thing for sure other than the first 6 picks is I have no ************ idea who we will go for.

That makes 2 of us. Although, I've got ABSOLUTELY NO ********ing idea!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Le Cras @24, Grundy @ 28, Eckermann @40, ??????????

Gibson@14, Monfries @17, ???????????????

either this guy is on drugs or everyone else who has done a phantom draft was on drugs, because the differences are massive.

the only thing for sure other than the first 6 picks is I have no ************ idea who we will go for.

Its got more to with how even the draft pool is after the first 6-8 picks than it does with people being on drugs.

All I know is that with our 1st 3 picks we will pick up a ruckman, a KPP and a midfielder but not neccessarily in that order. I expect Wood to be picked up @ 8.

 

[Stiffy_18]

LeCras is very highly rated here in WA, but it is no different to SA where the SA lads are talked up and have stories on them in the newspaper.

All will be revealed on Saturday. I think that there is plenty of talent in this draft and we are well placed to come out of it very well.

Not as well of course as Richmond, the Bullies and Hawthorn, but if they pick up any decent South Aussies they will be screaming to come back and play for us in a couple of years anyway

I read up on the lad in Inside Football (there is an article on him) and he sounds like a good prospect.

 

[No 1 Draft Pick]

The Tiser mentioned the Crows met a 3rd time with Bates earlier in the week. Is this normal? We must be pretty keen. And unless we use 8 we wont get him

If Wood and Meeson go before 8 then perhaps it wont be Monfries after all........

 

[Crowked]

Its got more to with how even the draft pool is after the first 6-8 picks than it does with people being on drugs.

It was just an expression, I didnt mean they were really on drugs. But then again 'Burgatron'.

 

[Stiffy_18]

The Tiser mentioned the Crows met a 3rd time with Bates earlier in the week. Is this normal? We must be pretty keen. And unless we use 8 we wont get him

If Wood and Meeson go before 8 then perhaps it wont be Monfries after all........

Nothing unusual about that. I can tell you from horse's mouth that we have a group of 14 players who we will consider @ pick 8. This also includes the Deledios, Tamblings and the likes. Bate is one player from that group of 14. We have done more research to get the pick 8 right than we have for the etire drafts in the past. We have interviewed those players at least 3 times. We have had them phsychologically tested 3 times. We have spoken to them, their families, their clubs, their friends, their schools, their teachers. We have basically left no stone unturned.

I am confident that we will pick up a good player with pick 8. When you do that much research on the lads you are unlikely to get them wrong. Interesting thing is that one of those 14 players we have shortlisted for pick 8 might still be available at pick 24 because of how even the draft pool is after the first 6 or so picks.

It will be interesting to see what we end up with tommorrow. James Fantasia's line of thinking is that if we play our cards right early, we will still get some excellent talent @ pick 24 and maybe even 28. Reading between the lines, I get the impression that if we pick up a ruckman with pick 8, we will end up with either a very good KPP or a very good midfielder with pick 24.

 

[Stiffy_18]

It was just an expression, I didnt mean they were really on drugs. But then again 'Burgatron'.

I know mate. I was just being a smartass

 

[No 1 Draft Pick]

If we get Wood at 8, is there any possibility we would take Maric with 24 or 28 and then look at trading over the next couple of years (when young ruck stocks are looking less promising apparently)

I doubt it as we cant be playing games in our current state

 

[Stiffy_18]

If we get Wood at 8, is there any possibility we would take Maric with 24 or 28 and then look at trading over the next couple of years (when young ruck stocks are looking less promising apparently)

I doubt it as we cant be playing games in our current state

Doubt it very much.

If we pick up Wood @ 8, which I think we will, we won't pick up another ruckman in the draft. We might rookie list one more to go with Andrews

I think we will pick up a ruckman, KPP and a midfielder with our first 3 picks but not neccessarily in that order

 

[conVINCEd]

Doubt it very much.

If we pick up Wood @ 8, which I think we will, we won't pick up another ruckman in the draft. We might rookie list one more to go with Andrews

I think we will pick up a ruckman, KPP and a midfielder with our first 3 picks but not neccessarily in that order

If we do pick up Wood, I'd still definitely like us to rookie at least one more ruckman. Neither Wood or Andrews are guarantees to make it, although Wood is a very good chance. I'd love for us to rookie Brad Moran, but the Lions have the option to take him in the rookie draft as a 'freebie'. Maybe Neaves would be an option, or DeVries, although I know nothing about him.

Stiffy, why would we go for a KPP with one of our first three picks? Has the club already decided to do that?

What if we take Wood with #8 and Eckerman is available at #24, and Jackson at #28 - I know I would want Jackson, even if Copping or Hartlett were available.

 

[Mad Dog]

I'm really looking forward to tommorrow....it can't come quickly enough...I think another 2 weeks of analysis would probably see some people's opinions change another 14 times.

As a general comment - we've all had our 2 cents worth since the end of the season about who we should and shouldn't draft. Not only does tommorrow bring excitment because we finally learn who we've got in our squad....but also brings to a close the speculation which is enough to make anyone dizzy. Thank goodness that the people who are charged with the task of bringing new talent to the club have more idea than us. It's great to share views and debate the pros and cons of what kind of player we will take - but it's like trying to solve and equation with 1 given (our needs), and 15 unknowns (other clubs). Ultimately we will get a very good player @ #8, and hopefully some quality with later picks.
This draft is not the be all and end all of our club - as we've said before - it's going to take a few trading periods and a few drafts to right the wrongs of the last few years. I'm going to be fully supportive of whatever we do tommorrow - and just get on with it.