Cale Morton and Matthew Bate

[lionel_luthor]

Both widely rumoured to be on the Demons trading block, which clubs would be interested and what would they give up for them ??

Bate intrigues me, wouldn't mind him at Carlton if he came cheaply, Morton appears to be a possible target for Freo and GWS

 

[Vader]

I can't see West Coast being interested in any player with Morton as a surname. Too much history involved.

 

[Teffy]

We might have some interest in Morton depending on the price.

 

[00Stinger]

Both widely rumoured to be on the Demons trading block, which clubs would be interested and what would they give up for them ??

Bate intrigues me, wouldn't mind him at Carlton if he came cheaply, Morton appears to be a possible target for Freo and GWS

Bate is McLean mkII, only difference is that he is a forward.

A few years ago he looked like he could be a star, then everyone realised he was too slow for a small forward and too short for a tall forward

 

[Tulip]

Craig Cameron special

 

[Teffy]

Bate is McLean mkII, only difference is that he is a forward.

A few years ago he looked like he could be a star, then everyone realised he was too slow for a small forward and too short for a tall forward

What do you think the Dees would want for Morton? A fringe 22 play that fills a shortfall? A fringe in and under type?

 

[DaveyTrainxpress]

People forget how good Morton was in his first two seasons then was hit with a few serious injuries and now most people think he is a dud!

Prior to this season Trent Cotchin had done nothing (yes he had injuries) so if you think about it Morton and Cotchin have done similar things in their short AFL careers.

If we were to trade Cale, I'd want a skilled half back type. I would not trade him for a people that would probably get cut in a few years anyway, I'd rather work with Morts.

Bate can easily get a run in another side.

 

[00Stinger]

What do you think the Dees would want for Morton? A fringe 22 play that fills a shortfall? A fringe in and under type?

Morton has played poorly this season and shits me but he has too much upside to let go after just 4 seasons. I wouldn't get rid of him.....yet

 

[Teffy]

Morton has played poorly this season and shits me but he has too much upside to let go after just 4 seasons. I wouldn't get rid of him.....yet

Then you take the chance and roll the dice.

He delivers, good.

However, if he bombs another 12 months....................

 

[00Stinger]

Then you take the chance and roll the dice.

He delivers, good.

However, if he bombs another 12 months....................

True

Its risk vs reward.
I think the reward outways the risk. The reward, he comes good with alot upside.
The risk, we would only get a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him now, so if we get any less it won't be a huge loss

 

[Jordie_tackles]

Then you take the chance and roll the dice.

He delivers, good.

However, if he bombs another 12 months....................

Then we miss out on a fringe best 22 player for him.....lol cant say im that disappointed, either offer something of value or dont bother

 

[Teffy]

Then we miss out on a fringe best 22 player for him.....lol cant say im that disappointed, either offer something of value or dont bother

I don't think we would have too much player wise that Melbourne would require.

We are in no position to trade a ruckman, and our in and under midfielders that aren't in our best 22 would probably not be a decent trade from Melbournes perspective.

I also wouldn't trade our 1st round pick for Morton.

 

[the smith show]

What the deal with Maric? Look good early in the year. Liked him as a junior. Still out of favour or injured?

 

[00Stinger]

I don't think we would have too much player wise that Melbourne would require.

We are in no position to trade a ruckman, and our in and under midfielders that aren't in our best 22 would probably not be a decent trade from Melbournes perspective.

I also wouldn't trade our 1st round pick for Morton.

We are in position to require a ruckman

 

[Bell Ringer]

Bate is McLean mkII, only difference is that he is a forward.

A few years ago he looked like he could be a star, then everyone realised he was too slow for a small forward and too short for a tall forward

Reminded me a lot of Ryan O'Keefe early on.

Could he not play a half-fwd role with stints on the ball or does he offer no defensive pressure due to his lack of leg-speed?

 

[Teffy]

We are in position to require a ruckman

Agree, that's why I raised the point.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Agree, that's why I raised the point.

I would disagree. Jamar is reigning AA, Martin has come on in leaps and bounds, Gawn has shown a bit, Spencer due back from injury, Campbell on the rookie list and Fitzpatrick yet to debut we're pretty well stocked for ruckmen going in to next year.

Reminded me a lot of Ryan O'Keefe early on.

Could he not play a half-fwd role with stints on the ball or does he offer no defensive pressure due to his lack of leg-speed?

Bate's legspeed isn't terrible, it just that it takes him a while to get going. His turning circle is also pretty bad, he's not a great overhead mark and is pretty terrible when the ball hits the deck.

 

[PhysicalGraffiti]

People forget how good Morton was in his first two seasons then was hit with a few serious injuries and now most people think he is a dud!

Prior to this season Trent Cotchin had done nothing (yes he had injuries) so if you think about it Morton and Cotchin have done similar things in their short AFL careers.

If you think Morton is in the same class as Cotchin, why do Melbourne supporters want to off load him? Even with injuries in his first two years, Cotchin showed rare class that gladdenned the hearts of tiger supporters.

 

[Demonheart]

Bate will probably be delisted at the end of his contract, not sure when that will be but if a club wanted him they'll probably be able to pick him up cheaply, and Morton has some perceived defiencies in his game that would lower his value.

To the right club he may be worth a late first rounder or a second but I'd prefer to roll the dice and give him a couple more seasons.

 

[Demonheart]

People forget how good Morton was in his first two seasons then was hit with a few serious injuries and now most people think he is a dud!

Prior to this season Trent Cotchin had done nothing (yes he had injuries) so if you think about it Morton and Cotchin have done similar things in their short AFL careers.

If you think Morton is in the same class as Cotchin, why do Melbourne supporters want to off load him? Even with injuries in his first two years, Cotchin showed rare class that gladdenned the hearts of tiger supporters.

I'll make this quick and simple. No, he isn't in the same class as Cotchin.

 

[Davis333]

Yeah Melbourne have no need for a ruck. Martin has done amazingly well to fill the 2nd ruck role. With Spencer and Gawn needing game time, as well as having Fitzpatrick and Campbell as backup, its the last thing we need.

A big contested marking forward is what we really need right now.
We have got Cook and Fitzpatrick who are coming through but they are more leading forwards than contested.

I would be happy if GWS picked up Morton. A compensation pick that we can use in a few years would be handy.

Bate is contracted for next year, but will no doubt ask for a trade as he is clearly out of favor. He will go fairly cheaply in my opinon as Melbourne will find it hard to delist at the end of the year.

Warnock should ask for a trade too. He is good enough to play at AFL level if given game time. Just unlucky to be competing for spots with Frawley and Garland. Richmond should look at him as he would come cheap.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Maybe Bate could be worth a look for St Kilda?? They need another option up forward?? COuld be worth Melbourne pairing Bate and Morton up for the mini draft to GWS??

 

[Guy Threepwood]

If you think Morton is in the same class as Cotchin, why do Melbourne supporters want to off load him? Even with injuries in his first two years, Cotchin showed rare class that gladdenned the hearts of tiger supporters.

Class was never mentioned.... the point was the deeds Morton accomplished in his first two seasons at the club have been quickly forgotten due to interrupted pre-seasons and poor form. I wouldn't say he's near the class of Cotchin, but I also think he's better than most give him credit for.

Maybe Bate could be worth a look for St Kilda?? They need another option up forward?? COuld be worth Melbourne pairing Bate and Morton up for the mini draft to GWS??

If the papers had it right this morning they do want players or future picks rather than 2011 draft picks, bit I think it'd take more than those two to get it done. I certainly wouldn't be complaining if this trade came about though.

 

[Footy Mad]

What do you think the Dees would want for Morton? A fringe 22 play that fills a shortfall? A fringe in and under type?

Ryan Bastinac?

 

[melbournemartin]

Matthew Bate changed his kicking style several years ago. He went from being a reasonably fluent, booming left footer to this awkward player who can barely kick 50 with his left and don't even bother on his right.

His hands have lost all stickyness and he struggles to get near the ball. He played one game this year, against Adelaide, and I honestly felt sorry for him. We murdered the crowds and had the ball in our forward line almost all game. It was only in the final quarter that he finally got a cheapie. He was actually at half back for points because he was a liability and was just thrown wherever. He gave up a goal shortly after.

Watched him for Casey on Sunday and he played well in wet conditions but still doesn't have enough of the necessary attributes to be a good forward. As someone said, he's too slow to play small. He has the height to play tall but has poor hands, is slow on the lead and even if he gets the ball, is likely to turn it over.

Hopefully he has some trade value and even with a weak draft coming up, I would entertain offers.

As for Morton, well, he has been horrendous this year but I would prefer to persist with him than Bate. He has many more things going for him. If only we could combine the heart of Bate and the skills of Morton. You would get a reasonable player who would make most best 18s in the league.