Cam and McMahon on the loose?

[Dog 36]

On the Bulldog web page there is an article titled 'Rocket Factor' Brings Results.

The article states that Cam Faulkner was expected to cross to Collingwood at end of season 04. I have heard Neil Balme talk about Jordan McMahon in glowing terms recently and in the past.

I hope the Bulldogs take the time to sign these two players up in the same way they have signed Gil, Shaggy, Gia, Murphy etc.

I think these two should be a priority and are starting to respond to Eade and are delivering the first signs of their potential.

The think that concerns me is that these two are going to be very very good players and I would hate to see them complete their improvement at another club.

Please Doggies sign them up, both have rare talents.

 

[birssyboy40]

Heres the link http://westernbulldogs.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=213679 .

 

[Gooka]

Please Doggies sign them up, both have rare talents.

Do you really think they are RARE tallents? They're good players and fit well into our structure... but I'd still consider them for possible trade bait should the right KPP come available...

 

[stefoid]

Im sure collingwood would love either of them, but would they cough up what they are worth?

For either I would look hard at maybe trading up our 2nd round pick for collingwoods first round pick and one of the above players, assuming colling wood had pick 3 or 4 at worst, which at this stage is doubtful.

 

[acker]

Do you really think they are RARE tallents? They're good players and fit well into our structure... but I'd still consider them for possible trade bait should the right KPP come available...

I think they are Gooka, McMahon is really delivering consistant solid performances and Faulkner is showing pace and hardness at the ball and has steadilly improved.
The players I consider are at the crossroads and who are possible trade baits are Mitch Hahn, Sam Power, Brad Murphy and Keiran McGuiness.

 

[Year of the Dog]

Do you really think they are RARE tallents? They're good players and fit well into our structure... but I'd still consider them for possible trade bait should the right KPP come available...

Please don't trade Cam! I have high hopes / expectations of the boy... He has the tackling, hardness at the ball, poise and balance. Provided he can continue to develop his skills in reading the play I could see him (and would love to see him) in a Chris Johnson back pocket kind of role.

 

[Rookie]

Heres the link http://westernbulldogs.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=213679 .

I don't think Rob Murphy and Brian Harris have played their best football under Eade. Disagree with that.

We can't trade McMahon! Myself, as a longsuffering McMahon-hater, would be devastated to see him go, now that he is starting to show the hardness, footy smarts, and heart he always needed to compliment his talent and pace. I've waited too long for this kid to start playing good footy to see him traded away now.

Eagleton brings nothing to the team and his position is quickly becoming redundant. If we're going to trade for a big fish, Eagleton is the man who should go.




Edit:
Also good to see Mitch Hahn and Pat Bowden as the two players he has singled out for improvement in the later part of this season. If both of those boys responded to Eade and started producing better football, our team would begin to look dangerous. Gotta admit, there are grave doubts about Bowden, however.

 

[The_Bulldogs_Bite]

Mitch Hahn is important to our team. Big bodied midfiedler - not many like him. Does a lot of the grunt work, gets the ball out of the pack to those that can run. Granted his kicking isn't all that great, but whatever, he's a good player and needs to be kept. I understand consistency is somewhat of a problem for him. They need to try and solve that problem but whatever happens - he shouldn't be traded. It'd be a blow to our midfield if he were to go, leaving it all once again to Scott West to do the ' hard yards ' so to speak.

 

[The Doctor]

McMahon is a gun and will get even better. He is a must keep for the Bulldogs.

 

[HK_Bulldog]

Do you think Carlton will cough up Number 1 pick for McMahon?
McMahon is only 21, quick, skillful, tall and strong, now with a defensive side to match his uber attacking instincts.

Easily better than any other quick midfielder in the draft, ready to play with 10 years in front of him.

If Carlton is happy to deal, will we accept Number 1 pick in this weak draft or would you rather keep him?

 

[stefoid]

we'd only try to trade for a low draft pick if clayton thought there was a talanted key forward available who could have an imediate impact?

 

[mjp]

Do you think Carlton will cough up Number 1 pick for McMahon?
McMahon is only 21, quick, skillful, tall and strong, now with a defensive side to match his uber attacking instincts.

Easily better than any other quick midfielder in the draft, ready to play with 10 years in front of him.

If Carlton is happy to deal, will we accept Number 1 pick in this weak draft or would you rather keep him?

Not a hope of anyone trading the number 1 pick. Could you imagine trading the pick if we had it?

And this years draft isn't actually all that week - there are just no real standouts players. Some teams will get good players out of this years group...if you are saying next year will be better, I agree, but to say it is a weak draft is harsh. And, if Carlton can get their hands on Murphy...

 

[The_Bulldogs_Bite]

Do you think Carlton will cough up Number 1 pick for McMahon?
McMahon is only 21, quick, skillful, tall and strong, now with a defensive side to match his uber attacking instincts.

Easily better than any other quick midfielder in the draft, ready to play with 10 years in front of him.

If Carlton is happy to deal, will we accept Number 1 pick in this weak draft or would you rather keep him?

You're kidding, right? McMahon is a gun. He's proven himself, and he's only going to get better. Wouldn't know how the Kid in the draft you'd pick up would be anything good. Plus, we've had Jordy for 4 years or something now I think. As far as I'm concerned, Never would we trade him for a #1 Draft Pick. Never.

 

[tige19]

Do you really think they are RARE tallents? They're good players and fit well into our structure... but I'd still consider them for possible trade bait should the right KPP come available...

Keep dreaming mate, if you think any club in there right mind would trade a descent KPP for 2 smalls you are more deluded the fantastic 4.

 

[scooter600x]

Keep dreaming mate, if you think any club in there right mind would trade a descent KPP for 2 smalls you are more deluded the fantastic 4.

Why do people think KPP's are more valuable than midfielders?

Surely if this was the case the top 10 of the draft every year would be big blokes.

Would a club trade a decent KPP for 2 smalls if the smalls were Cooney and Griffen? Think they might.

What if the smalls were Boyd and Thompson? Probably not.

Perhaps the quality of the player is more important than their size?

 

[HK_Bulldog]

You're kidding, right? McMahon is a gun. He's proven himself, and he's only going to get better. Wouldn't know how the Kid in the draft you'd pick up would be anything good. Plus, we've had Jordy for 4 years or something now I think. As far as I'm concerned, Never would we trade him for a #1 Draft Pick. Never.

Just asking the question. A year ago, most on this board were happy to accept spare change for him. I rate him enormously and have never bagged him but I was thinking of a hypothetical:

Jordan -> Carlton or Hawks for Pick 1 or 2
1 or 2 -> Eagles for McDougall and Beau Waters
Waters -> Crows for Watts.

Means we get Watts and McDougall by giving up McMahon. Two promising but unproven KPP for a midfield gun. Love to keep McMahon but if a trade like that was offered, I'd think about it.
Sounds a bit far fetched I know.

 

[Gooka]

Just asking the question. A year ago, most on this board were happy to accept spare change for him. I rate him enormously and have never bagged him but I was thinking of a hypothetical:

Jordan -> Carlton or Hawks for Pick 1 or 2
1 or 2 -> Eagles for McDougall and Beau Waters
Waters -> Crows for Watts.

Means we get Watts and McDougall by giving up McMahon. Two promising but unproven KPP for a midfield gun. Love to keep McMahon but if a trade like that was offered, I'd think about it.
Sounds a bit far fetched I know.

There's just no way known anyone would trade a #1 draft pick for jordie... he's good, but he's FAR from a number one draft pick. Why give up getting a future superstar for Jordie?

For what it's worth, I'd take #1 pick for him in a second... he's a good player... no superstar.

 

[acker]

There is a bigger chance that Lance Whitnall or Fergus Watts will turn out to be duds like Jade Rawlings. Than be as good/ usefull/ or better than Jordan McMahon or Cameron Faulkner.

P.S Gooka please remember it is not much use for all his pack crashing good points if Mitch is stuggling carrying his weight around the park and is not getting to the contest on time before it moves on.
I noticed against the Saints that he had his biggest effect on the game in the last quarter when the leg speed had gone from the game. I think he is struggling to get to the ball earlier when the game is quicker, I have a similiar concern but to a lesser degree about Scott West.

 

[tige19]

Just asking the question. A year ago, most on this board were happy to accept spare change for him. I rate him enormously and have never bagged him but I was thinking of a hypothetical:

Jordan -> Carlton or Hawks for Pick 1 or 2
1 or 2 -> Eagles for McDougall and Beau Waters
Waters -> Crows for Watts.

Means we get Watts and McDougall by giving up McMahon. Two promising but unproven KPP for a midfield gun. Love to keep McMahon but if a trade like that was offered, I'd think about it.
Sounds a bit far fetched I know.

I cant believe you people throw up these trades, has it ever entered your mind that there are people in this world that actually have brains. Hard to digest i know being a doggies supporter but it is the truth.

Jordie for pick 1 or 2 LMFAO, good sort you blokes are on here.....

 

[acker]

I cant believe you people throw up these trades, has it ever entered your mind that there are people in this world that actually have brains. Hard to digest i know being a doggies supporter but it is the truth.

Jordie for pick 1 or 2 LMFAO, good sort you blokes are on here.....

Coming from a supporter of a team who overlooked Chris Judd for some tool who struggles to hold a regular senior spot last time they had number 1 draft pick, I think think your post is hilarious !

 

[Gooka]

There is a bigger chance that Lance Whitnall or Fergus Watts will turn out to be duds like Jade Rawlings. Than be as good/ usefull/ or better than Jordan McMahon or Cameron Faulkner.

P.S Gooka please remember it is not much use for all his pack crashing good points if Mitch is stuggling carrying his weight around the park and is not getting to the contest on time before it moves on.
I noticed against the Saints that he had his biggest effect on the game in the last quarter when the leg speed had gone from the game. I think he is struggling to get to the ball earlier when the game is quicker, I have a similiar concern but to a lesser degree about Scott West.

I agree... mitch is out of form and I'd consider him as a tradeable entity. At the moment our list is the way it is and these guys fit in nicely and do a job, but if someone better is available then we go for them I say.

I don't know a thing about Watts so can't comment on that guy. Lance could be good but I wouldn't want to pay much for him if Walsh is a chance at playing FF in the next year or 2.

 

[acker]

I'm just concerned that if a player is being traded by another club that there is probably something wrong with them ...ala Jade Rawlings

 

[Sedat!]

I agree... mitch is out of form and I'd consider him as a tradeable entity. At the moment our list is the way it is and these guys fit in nicely and do a job, but if someone better is available then we go for them I say.

I think we are getting to the stage where our list has adequate cover and balance. Trading away a big unit like Hahn, who can win the contested ball, will throw the mix out again. it's taken us 5 years of pain to get the mix right in the midfield and in defence. Let's start with the midfield:

Poor old West was riding shotgun the last 3 years on his own trying to win the contested ball, and only this year is he now getting some help in this area through Cross, and to a lesser extent Cooney. Hahn and Faulkner are a vital future component in winning the contested ball, otherwise poor old Cross will be riding shotgun on his own when West hangs up the boots. Our midfield mix is right ATM.

Our defensive mix also looks OK, especially with Dale Morris taking the opposition smalls. A combination of Grant, Harris, Rawlings, Morgan, Wight and Williams will hold the key defensive posts, and Hargrave is Mr Versatile. Run and carry from Gilbee and McMahon. Again, the mix is all right.

Tradeable entities should only be those players who are surplus to requirements. We are not short of run and carry, so Brad Murphy is natural trade bait. Tall flankers are also in abundance so Sam Power would also attract interest (although I'd prefer to keep him). Pat Bowden is also that mid size flanker material so would also be on notice. Between these 3 players, a suitable trade for the right type of tall can be achieved. It's a long list of talls that opposition clubs are looking to off-load, so it potentially is a buyer's market. I am confident that our footy dept can achieve the right result for us in the off season to get our forward mix right.

One thing we really need to be mindful of is messing with the chemistry in our list. Make no mistake, Geelong lost something special when they were forced to trade away Moloney. No-one can doubt the logic behind getting Ottens, but the team bond has been affected. Something similar happened to us in 2000 when we traded away Monty and Powell for Eagle. That trade also threw the mix out between bigger inside bodies and the run & carriers which we have only now addressed. I see great parallels between our current side and Brisbane's in 1999, with a number of 30-80 game players all starting withing a couple of years of each other and peaking together. I would hate to mess with this chemistry.

 

[The_Bulldogs_Bite]

I think we are getting to the stage where our list has adequate cover and balance. Trading away a big unit like Hahn, who can win the contested ball, will throw the mix out again. it's taken us 5 years of pain to get the mix right in the midfield and in defence. Let's start with the midfield:

Poor old West was riding shotgun the last 3 years on his own trying to win the contested ball, and only this year is he now getting some help in this area through Cross, and to a lesser extent Cooney. Hahn and Faulkner are a vital future component in winning the contested ball, otherwise poor old Cross will be riding shotgun on his own when West hangs up the boots. Our midfield mix is right ATM.

Our defensive mix also looks OK, especially with Dale Morris taking the opposition smalls. A combination of Grant, Harris, Rawlings, Morgan, Wight and Williams will hold the key defensive posts, and Hargrave is Mr Versatile. Run and carry from Gilbee and McMahon. Again, the mix is all right.

Tradeable entities should only be those players who are surplus to requirements. We are not short of run and carry, so Brad Murphy is natural trade bait. Tall flankers are also in abundance so Sam Power would also attract interest (although I'd prefer to keep him). Pat Bowden is also that mid size flanker material so would also be on notice. Between these 3 players, a suitable trade for the right type of tall can be achieved. It's a long list of talls that opposition clubs are looking to off-load, so it potentially is a buyer's market. I am confident that our footy dept can achieve the right result for us in the off season to get our forward mix right.

One thing we really need to be mindful of is messing with the chemistry in our list. Make no mistake, Geelong lost something special when they were forced to trade away Moloney. No-one can doubt the logic behind getting Ottens, but the team bond has been affected. Something similar happened to us in 2000 when we traded away Monty and Powell for Eagle. That trade also threw the mix out between bigger inside bodies and the run & carriers which we have only now addressed. I see great parallels between our current side and Brisbane's in 1999, with a number of 30-80 game players all starting withing a couple of years of each other and peaking together. I would hate to mess with this chemistry.

Very well said. I agree with all aspects of your post.

 

[HK_Bulldog]

I cant believe you people throw up these trades, has it ever entered your mind that there are people in this world that actually have brains. Hard to digest i know being a doggies supporter but it is the truth.

Jordie for pick 1 or 2 LMFAO, good sort you blokes are on here.....

Pick 6 for Danny Jacobs