Cameron Green

[revo333]

Hard to defend him after that shot in the last test.

Has played 18 tests in Australia and only passed 50 4 times.

If he fails badly again in the second innings and we lose the test I think his spot becomes very shaky but you can't drop him and keep Inglis unless they are going to both get dropped.

 

[revo333]

Simply not up to it currently as a batsman. And can't see him improving if dropped because with this pay day why would he worry about playing any form of shield cricket.

But we will continue with him because he is the new golden child of Australian cricket

He doesn't come across as that type of athlete or person.

 

[Sonny Hayes]

Hard to defend him after that shot in the last test.

Has played 18 tests in Australia and only passed 50 4 times.

If he fails badly again in the second innings and we lose the test I think his spot becomes very shaky but you can't drop him and keep Inglis unless they are going to both get dropped.

Smith and Webster in for Inglis and Green if neither show anything in the next innings

 

[the_interloper]

Smith and Webster in for Inglis and Green if neither show anything in the next innings

Agreed and I'm a huge Green fan, you just can't deny Webster, he should have played every test imo.

 

[Zach Package]

Massive identity crisis I reckon.

Yes he's 6 foot 7 and can boof it, but he doesn't have to, he should be thinking about batting normally and then as he goes through the gears the acceleration will come.

His technique is plenty sound to just bat normally without having to force it like he is.

 

[Cainozz]

Massive identity crisis I reckon.

Yes he's 6 foot 7 and can boof it, but he doesn't have to, he should be thinking about batting normally and then as he goes through the gears the acceleration will come.

His technique is plenty sound to just bat normally without having to force it like he is.

Agree and funnily enough, It’s almost the opposite identity crisis Mitch Marsh had for so much of his career. He was always trying to play too technically correct and be of the likes of Smith with not a particular solid defence. Then in his last cameo, he played his natural way of what made him a success in white ball cricket.

I think people are still writing Green off too quickly. Was our best batter in the windies, looked good for his 45 the other night. Admittedly has played too rubbish shots but not sure if that is warranted dropping. I have more question marks over Inglis than Green.

 

[Zach Package]

Agree and funnily enough, It’s almost the opposite identity crisis Mitch Marsh had for so much of his career. He was always trying to play too technically correct and be of the likes of Smith with not a particular solid defence. Then in his last cameo, he played his natural way of what made him a success in white ball cricket.

I think people are still writing Green off too quickly. Was our best batter in the windies, looked good for his 45 the other night. Admittedly has played too rubbish shots but not sure if that is warranted dropping. I have more question marks over Inglis than Green.

I think he looked the best bat on both sides in Perth, so I suspect there is a bit of early crow, but he is certainly struggling.

He also had Joe Root in all sorts in his limited spells against him as well, just quietly.

 

[Golumless]

Another cam myth is he makes 100s for fun at shield level, guys played 4 games in 4 years at that level.

the other myth well stev waugh took 20 tests to make it.

Truth is he avgs 34 after 35 tests and is playing as a batsman just not good enough an i'll lead the train tp dumb him with Kane Cornes.

In 70 FC matches, we're talking about an average of 46. Compared to every other contender in Australian cricket, yeah Green makes centuries for fun.

Luckily for Green, we're not using him as a batsman, we're using him as an all-rounder and bowling him for ~15 overs a test match (and this is roughly the amount we used Beau Webster as well so we're not sacrificing anything in regards to loads), providing they go the distance. 34 batting average for an all rounder is "would be the captain in waiting for England" territory, though the bowling isn't quite there at 37. Of course, if you want to argue that we've completely overvalued all rounders, and that anyone with serious talent should be far away from it (unless they're the Sobers/Kallis freak of nature) I'll probably agree.

Really though, I wouldn't be too surprised if the problem with Green is the fact there is a fair bit of time in his prep on bowling (whether its net bowling, planning etc), and it's a mental fatigue problem at the highest level. There haven't been too many in cricket who have lasted being a very good bastmen and also being required to bowl.

Not going to do that when you are $4 million richer. Can't imagine the IPL team are going to be that kind in his management either, they will want their moneys worth regardless of the state of his body.

Yeah, that's the risk. We may have missed the window here to ditch Green's bowling.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I'll probably die on the hill that Cameron Green has all the tools to be a dominant test cricketer. Seems to really lack the mental awareness to use those tools though. A very technically correct batsmen. Is he just too tall to be a batter? Does he strip the weight and focus on bowling? I don't really know the answer.

 

[Zach Package]

A continually tantalising prospect

 

[MagpieArmyChronicles]

How many more batting brainfarts does that buy him

 

[Kappa]

I'll probably die on the hill that Cameron Green has all the tools to be a dominant test cricketer. Seems to really lack the mental awareness to use those tools though. A very technically correct batsmen. Is he just too tall to be a batter? Does he strip the weight and focus on bowling? I don't really know the answer.

He stripes the bowling and focuses on batting. He's way too big and heavy to be a fast bowler and also middle order batsmen, his back is gonna go again.

 

[Bucking Beads]

He stripes the bowling and focuses on batting. He's way too big and heavy to be a fast bowler and also middle order batsmen, his back is gonna go again.

He could do that too. He's just so tall. Not really many top line batters as tall as he is.

 

[Kappa]

He could do that too. He's just so tall. Not really many top line batters as tall as he is.

KP was pretty close to his height. I think it also poses an issue for bowlers once he gets in, constantly having to change their line between him and his partner coz his reach is ridiculous

 

[Westend]

Thought he bowled well today....that one to get Brook was a good nut

Could've had 3 today inglis dropping a hard catch and marnus too far out .hopefully he gets some confidence and kick on with the bat in the 2nd dig

 

[Westend]

gutted

its time he is mentally cooked he can't go on like this

so sad for Aussie cricket

 

[Soups]

Didn’t do any favors for himself today. Might need some time out of the team.

 

[Gethelred]

The problem is as follows: when he first walks out to bat, there is no plan to get him going.

Any bat needs to have a process they go through; get off the mark via a shot known to be safe, whatever that is for you; get to 5 whilst still playing it safe; get to 15 whilst checking your timing on the surface, etc. Green plays as though he's not got one of these plans. He plays as though he's Travis Head and he can just walk out there and whack 'em from the go, or as if he's Alastair Cook and needs to get to 20 before he can begin to look for expansive shots.

At the lower level, he gets away with it because the bowling isn't as likely to produce a jaffa and because the standard process in Australia is to let the pitch do the work on a length; he gets to face balls 'til he's ready and going.

IMO, he'll grow out of it eventually, but my question is if it happens too late for a national career. His bowling means he has to sacrifice training time and effort in games away from his batting. What he needs to do is settle on and refine an approach, and work out how he's going to get himself going without risk when he first gets out there.

Because he has to sacrifice timing

 

[Westend]

The problem is as follows: when he first walks out to bat, there is no plan to get him going.

Any bat needs to have a process they go through; get off the mark via a shot known to be safe, whatever that is for you; get to 5 whilst still playing it safe; get to 15 whilst checking your timing on the surface, etc. Green plays as though he's not got one of these plans. He plays as though he's Travis Head and he can just walk out there and whack 'em from the go, or as if he's Alastair Cook and needs to get to 20 before he can begin to look for expansive shots.

At the lower level, he gets away with it because the bowling isn't as likely to produce a jaffa and because the standard process in Australia is to let the pitch do the work on a length; he gets to face balls 'til he's ready and going.

IMO, he'll grow out of it eventually, but my question is if it happens too late for a national career. His bowling means he has to sacrifice training time and effort in games away from his batting. What he needs to do is settle on and refine an approach, and work out how he's going to get himself going without risk when he first gets out there.

Because he has to sacrifice timing

he just gets out ..rekon he has a plan..but just gets out thats the issue

there was nothing special about that ball today or in the first innings...he just gets out first 20 balls he is always vunerable

once he is in he looks great

what I can't understand is he makes basically 3 50s in a row on the worst seaming decks in the west indies where the ball is seaming everywhere...then on feather beds gets out

so sad

 

[Gethelred]

he just gets out ..rekon he has a plan..but just gets out thats the issue

there was nothing special about that ball today or in the first innings...he just gets out first 20 balls he is always vunerable

... because a) he can't get off strike, or b) he goes too hard at a ball inside his first 20 balls.

These are symptoms of an eminently fixable problem: that he doesn't have a safe method to get going.

once he is in he looks great

... which is why you have a plan. The plan gets you going and lets you work out the conditions and the bowling in safety.

what I can't understand is he makes basically 3 50s in a row on the worst seaming decks in the west indies where the ball is seaming everywhere...then on feather beds gets out

so sad

It's frustrating, for sure.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

Too much of a tease. 85 runs in 4 digs. not good enough. We still need a 5th bowling option so time to bring back Webster, though I'd acknowledge that he hasn't made a lot of runs lately.

 

[madjoe]

Most over rated player of all time, i'm driving the train of drop green for months toot toot

 

[Westend]

Most over rated player of all time, i'm driving the train of drop green for months toot toot

Thats unfair he is not over rated

he is a talented lad and he is struggling and not showing the potential

and its sad

 

[katana]

I'm sure he'll be a fabulous test cricketer, but suspect he needs a break given how well Webster has performed this year for Australia. let him get confidence back.

 

[Cotchin 9]

I’ve been on him from day dot. A bloke that can genuinely bat in the top 6 and bowl 140 km/h plus is undeniable.

Even his first ball was just a little push for 4. Obviously he is really struggling for confidence, they have backed him in and his role is clear IMO.

You don’t have that major back surgery unless you are viewed as a 10+ year player. Not too sure where from here - hopefully he can find some confidence and form soon.