Cameron Green

[big_e]

In the last 12 months, Cameron Green has played 9 tests, 3 ODIs and 15 T20Is for Australia. Plus 3 Sheffield Shield matches for WA at the start of this summer.

After all that, he's missing one game, and is scheduled to play next week.

This is much ado about nothing, imo.

 

[Run n Spread]

In the last 12 months, Cameron Green has played 9 tests, 3 ODIs and 15 T20Is for Australia. Plus 3 Sheffield Shield matches for WA at the start of this summer.

After all that, he's missing one game, and is scheduled to play next week.

This is much ado about nothing, imo.

Agree no use over cooking him.
Had a big summer.
Rest him up he can than go to the IPL and have a pre season/play county cricket.
Than needs 2-3 seasons of solid domestic form before being considered for Australian selection again.

 

[kane249]

100 for Green on his return to shield cricket

 

[cricketnut14]

timely ton as their is no first class cricket before the bangladesh test series.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Good for Green. Looks like a well paced knock

Hopefully he can get some County cricket in before that heavy Test schedule and build upon this

 

[GoodesStuff]

Good for Green. Looks like a well paced knock

Hopefully he can get some County cricket in before that heavy Test schedule and build upon this

Green was asked if he will get a a county cricket stint in again this year and he said he won’t be

 

[icyflakes]

Green was asked if he will get a a county cricket stint in again this year and he said he won’t be

Given the amount of Test Cricket going on in the next 18 months, and he's still coming back from injury in terms of managing his bowling time, that makes sense, regardless of how you feel about him.

I think what is very obvious is that Shield is not a concern for him. Guy has been reasonably good with some solid individual performances every season for a long time, it's not equating to International performances. Could be reflective of current Shield level (he isn't the only player struggling to convert Shield form into Test form) or just a mental block.

Hasn't he played for a Div 2 County in recent years? I know a lot of the "Marnus goes big in County" headlines in recent years have come with that caveat as well. I know they run on promotion/relegation but surely Shield would be a bit higher standard than Div 2 County? Or are div 1 teams mostly filled with local talent like Shield is here?

 

[Westend]

Given the amount of Test Cricket going on in the next 18 months, and he's still coming back from injury in terms of managing his bowling time, that makes sense, regardless of how you feel about him.

I think what is very obvious is that Shield is not a concern for him. Guy has been reasonably good with some solid individual performances every season for a long time, it's not equating to International performances. Could be reflective of current Shield level (he isn't the only player struggling to convert Shield form into Test form) or just a mental block.

Hasn't he played for a Div 2 County in recent years? I know a lot of the "Marnus goes big in County" headlines in recent years have come with that caveat as well. I know they run on promotion/relegation but surely Shield would be a bit higher standard than Div 2 County? Or are div 1 teams mostly filled with local talent like Shield is here?

Greenie recently played for Gloucestershire in the county championship captained by Bancroft in div 2...they have 18 teams across 2 divisions 14 matches.....bottom two teams are relegated and top two promoted in division 2..bit like premier league

The standard is fairly even across both divisions ...and teams are allocated overseas players two each side and they can be replaced when needed...teams generally stick with the overseas pro Marnus at glamorgan etc

The standard is okay but I still have the shield the best domestic comp in the world...but the standard in the shield has been dropping

 

[Rabish Binney]

Greenie recently played for Gloucestershire in the county championship captained by Bancroft in div 2...they have 18 teams across 2 divisions 14 matches.....bottom two teams are relegated and top two promoted in division 2..bit like premier league

The standard is fairly even across both divisions ...and teams are allocated overseas players two each side and they can be replaced when needed...teams generally stick with the overseas pro Marnus at glamorgan etc

The standard is okay but I still have the shield the best domestic comp in the world...but the standard in the shield has been dropping

Agree 100% with this. Undoubtably has got a lot to do with the test players not playing in the respective comps.

With that, at least some of the Australian test players play in the shield when they can. Don't think that's the case with County cricket?

 

[Westend]

Agree 100% with this. Undoubtably has got a lot to do with the test players not playing in the respective comps.

With that, at least some of the Australian test players play in the shield when they can. Don't think that's the case with County cricket?

The ECB is similar to CA they have central contracts and there players are managed the same as ours....and with the increasing amount of t20 cricket yes they the test/multi role players are rested and miss county games

 

[whatwhatsaywhat]

quite the sook

‘Why are you out to get me?’ Green’s dummy spit raises questions ahead of $4m IPL stint

Cameron Green’s first media appearance since mid-December ended in a fiery exchange outside the WA dressing room during a Sheffield Shield match on Monday.

www.theage.com.au

 

[ExchangeStatMan]

quite the sook

‘Why are you out to get me?’ Green’s dummy spit raises questions ahead of $4m IPL stint

Cameron Green’s first media appearance since mid-December ended in a fiery exchange outside the WA dressing room during a Sheffield Shield match on Monday.

www.theage.com.au

Private school privilege. Learnt to deal with criticism Cam. Your a mulit millionaire player. part and parcel of the game.

 

[icyflakes]

quite the sook

‘Why are you out to get me?’ Green’s dummy spit raises questions ahead of $4m IPL stint

Cameron Green’s first media appearance since mid-December ended in a fiery exchange outside the WA dressing room during a Sheffield Shield match on Monday.

www.theage.com.au

This is written so ridiculously that if there was an Onion for cricket, I'd totally believe it was from their site. I don't read the Age but is Tom Decent a reputable writer? Because this is written with the quality of a Twilight novel - and I have no defense of Green. I'm struggling to believe this actually happened because how can a journalist write so poorly.

 

[ExchangeStatMan]

Ill say this if Cam Green didnt go to Scotch College, the cricket world would have never heard about this guy.

 

[Spirit Level]

What a ****en crybaby.

You struggle for runs at international level, you're going to get asked questions about it.

Can't deal with it? Don't be a international cricketer (or make some ****en runs)

 

[ExchangeStatMan]

What a ****en crybaby.

You struggle for runs at international level, you're going to get asked questions about it.

Can't deal with it? Don't be a international cricketer (or make some ****en runs)

He is supposedly be one of these kids look up to. It just smells of private school priviliedge and him having to never had criticism go his way.

He is one of the few players in the Australian set up that very rarely does press conferences, interviews. Its almost like of all the players in the Australian setup- the Australian pubic doesnt know too much about his personality.

 

[Westend]

See the haters out in force again

Good on greenie tell the journo to go and get f$$med

 

[Westend]

Ill say this if Cam Green didnt go to Scotch College, the cricket world would have never heard about this guy.

What a load of shit

 

[big_e]

He is supposedly be one of these kids look up to. It just smells of private school priviliedge and him having to never had criticism go his way.

He is one of the few players in the Australian set up that very rarely does press conferences, interviews. Its almost like of all the players in the Australian setup- the Australian pubic doesnt know too much about his personality.

I feel like the private school thing might be a you issue and not a him issue.

And no, I didn't go to a private school.

 

[ExchangeStatMan]

What a load of shit

Colin Barnett ex-WA premier hated it when journalists brought up his kids education.

Why doesnt Cam come out and speak to the media? Footballers have to deal with it. Tennis players have to deal with it.

Im looking at Instagram profile as I speak, Ill be interested how he deals with that Usman Tariq reaction. No doubt, the pressure is getting to him. This next 6-12 months when criticism is coming towards him will be very interesting.

 

[Gethelred]

There's a massive problem running through Australian cricket borne from a genuine refusal to specialise.

Glenn Maxwell while not the first player overlooked in the test arena - because batting everywhere in the top 8 without a home test is not a genuine look - is certainly a player who was forced to specialise. You might've had James Hopes, Nathan Bracken - players who were one format players - in the past, but that didn't extend to the stars of the game. You had Ponting, Hayden, Warne, Gilly being all format guns; you had considerable pushes at different times to get talented ODI players like Symonds and Watson into the test squad. You had the decade of trying Mitch Marsh before it just became clear that in the test arena he simply wasn't up to it. Cummins and Starc and Hazlewood need to be our ODI and T20 attack, with a sop thrown to the big bash every now and then.

Cameron Green is a big dude who can hit a long ball and bowl above 140km. The problem right now is that he's being treated on one hand like a future T20 star and a test match wunderkind both, despite them being cross purposes. As a bat, he is not a no.5-6; he's not a bludgeoner, a quick scorer. He's closer to Matt Wade than Ricky Ponting, and closer to Rahul Dravid than either of them. But all the T20 cricket and money push him towards playing more shots, being more expansive, widening his strokes and scoring zones instead of honing his long form craft. For Cam Green to become the test star he's capable of being, he needs to learn where his off stump is and become inexorable in defense. Impenetrable. He needs to be rigid in his belief and steadfast in his confidence that you can't get him out, and he needs when challenged to fall back on that confidence that no matter what you give him he can survive.

He has that in him, but this is completely at odds with the player the market wants him to be; basically, a supercharged or contemporary version of Shane Watson. A marketing tool and the big guy both. Hits a big six, bats middle order; the endless Australian search for a Freddie Flintoff of their own.

And let's not talk about his bowling, the better. Varun Aaron wouldn't be flattered by the comparison. Never mind that Flintoff ended his career with a bowling average worse than Pete Siddle's.

The Australian setup needs to - and to an extent, it looks like they have - get through their heads that it isn't the 90's anymore, and that you can't just slot in the best cricketers you've got and it'll work out. Steve Smith might be a generational player in any format - at least, he was once - but Marnus isn't a T20 player's arseh*le and playing T20's and ODI's isn't actually good for him as a test player. Rotating the strike is not his issue; going out playing the precise same ****ing shot every time is his ****ing issue, playing a ****ing cover drive at a ball the wrong length because his coaches told him to rotate the strike is.

And Cam Green either needs to be shelved as a player until redeveloped, because his batting is not suited right now to batting 1-3 due to not knowing where his off stump is and getting bowled by balls that don't move and isn't suited batting 5-7 because he's simply not good enough as a striker of the red ball. That, or he needs to withdraw from T20's and ODI's and confine his attention to the format that is no longer the highest paid in the world but is where the immortals live.

The answer to that is well he won't do that, the money's too good. And while that's probably true, playing test cricket for Australia isn't that badly remunerated; it's not a choice between working a 9 to 5 and being a millionaire. It's a choice that absolutely exists for him.

 

[Mighty Eagles]

Colin Barnett ex-WA premier hated it when journalists brought up his kids education.

No, that isn't true.

Alan Carpenter raised Colin Barnett's youngest son in a media interview many years ago, and Barnett reacted by hitting Carpenter with some papers that he had in his hand because Carpenter broke an unwritten rule in politics of bringing up their children.

 

[Gethelred]

And a no-one is entitled to the time of other people, even - one could say especially - those with a podium from which to complain about it.

 

[t_94]

He is supposedly be one of these kids look up to. It just smells of private school priviliedge and him having to never had criticism go his way.

He is one of the few players in the Australian set up that very rarely does press conferences, interviews. Its almost like of all the players in the Australian setup- the Australian pubic doesnt know too much about his personality.

Don’t think he really has one. In the Justin Longmuir mould.

 

[ExchangeStatMan]

Don’t think he really has one. In the Justin Longmuir mould.

There once was a footballer named Drew Banfield, he played for the Eagles. I reckon he would draw similar parallels.