Captains Captain/VC Round 12

[Sidebottom2Beams]

That's my whole point though! People here seem to think a player will go huge just because their team is playing percieved weak opposition. I mean FFS you know better than anyone that the only team to keep GAJ to less than 20 possies in 3 & 1/2 years is the Dees when they were beyond shit. Quality of opposition really doesn't translate to extra points as far as premo's go for the most part. If anything true premo's score against tougher opposition (or teams that don't tag)

I picked SJ as my VC because he has the ability to go 180+ and most people will choose Gaz and Pendles. VC's are there to take a risk.
I chose Libba as my Captain because he is averaging just under 140 the last 4 weeks and I don't think Ablett's right.

 

[Krujan]

Actually it was 72 points for Murphy against the Dees and 75 against the Crows

You're totally missing the point here. His 2 lowest scores for the year have been against weak teams. He's averaging 123.5 from his other 8 games. Most of the true super-premo's average more against strong/stronger opposition teams. Fact is some of the weaker teams have got pretty good taggers.

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

You're totally missing the point here. His 2 lowest scores for the year have been against weak teams. He's averaging 123.5 from his other 8 games. Most of the true super-premo's average more against strong/stronger opposition teams. Fact is some of the weaker teams have got pretty good taggers.

Carlton has played two games against top 8 teams we can only wait and see how he goes. Until then it is all just speculation either way...

 

[Krujan]

I don't understand how 2-3 gun players getting big scores against unaccountable one way specialists in Brissy automatically can't happen because team x lost to team y. Libba will go enormous this week - bank it.

He may or he may not. All I'm saying is it's not a given that he will go huge just because the Doggies are playing 18th this week. It just doesn't work out that way most of the time, even though logic and common sense says that it should because the opposition team is crap.

 

[Krujan]

Carlton has played two games against top 8 teams we can only wait and see how he goes. Until then it is all just speculation either way...

I'm pretty sure Richmond, Essendon & West Coast were also top 8 at the time of Carlton playing them. Where those teams are now is besides the point.

 

[Kadog]

I have to laugh at people licking their lips at Bulldogs players going huge this week because they're only playing Brissy, when the Doggies themselves are ****** shit and they lost to Carlton who lost to Brissy.

You luffing at me coz I might go Griffen vs Lions?
Can't remember who posted, but it showed a list of mids vs Brisbane who have absolutely smashed it over the last 8 weeks or so. Add to that, Brisbane lost their ruckman, Id expect big Will to dominate and feed his mids all day long. All indicators point to Bulldogs potentially going huge. That's what the VC punt is for innit?

 

[karaoke]

Sandi - VC
Pendles/ Beams - C

 

[Hack_Watts]

I'm pretty sure Richmond, Essendon & West Coast were also top 8 at the time of Carlton playing them. Where those teams are now is besides the point.

Quality teams are quality teams. Technicalities are irrelevant...

 

[Jiska]

That's my whole point though! People here seem to think a player will go huge just because their team or SC player is playing against percieved weak opposition. I mean FFS you know better than anyone that the only team to keep GAJ to less than 20 possies in 3 & 1/2 years is the Dees when they were beyond shit. Quality of opposition really doesn't translate to extra points as far as premo's go for the most part. If anything true premo's score against tougher opposition (or teams that don't tag) Really, people should be looking at their SC premo's possible direct opponent rather than the team they're playing.

Absolutely 100% agree. That's what I've been saying all year. GAJ only score under 100 this year was against the Bulldogs. Last year Buddy scored average against Melb, GWS, GC after everyone banged on about getting him in before he played those "weak" teams.

Good players score well against better teams. Different mental mindset approaching the game. AFAIK GAJ average against the Hawks over the last 4 years has been 150+

 

[Hack_Watts]

Absolutely 100% agree. That's what I've been saying all year. GAJ only score under 100 this year was against the Bulldogs. Last year Buddy scored average against Melb, GWS, GC after everyone banged on about getting him in before he played those "weak" teams.

Good players score well against better teams. Different mental mindset approaching the game. AFAIK GAJ average against the Hawks over the last 4 years has been 150+

All I know is that by following an obvious trend I have banked huge scores from Boomer and Murphy...

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

Absolutely 100% agree. That's what I've been saying all year. GAJ only score under 100 this year was against the Bulldogs. Last year Buddy scored average against Melb, GWS, GC after everyone banged on about getting him in before he played those "weak" teams.

Good players score well against better teams. Different mental mindset approaching the game. AFAIK GAJ average against the Hawks over the last 4 years has been 150+

In some context that is right but when 40% of your games are sub 100 it's a bit of a worry.

 

[toxic]

As opposed to Geelong? Bloody hilarious that everyone thinks that Geelong will romp it in against Carlton because we lost to Brissy, yet Geelong are coming into the game off the back of a 110 point thumping and quite frankly been shiezehousen for the last month. Carlton were 4-1 from their last 5 until the weekend, where pretty much nothing went right for them in the last 1/4, no excuse for losing, but had quite good form leading into the game. Carlton always match up really well against Geelong and I'd back Murphy to score 150+ over SJ or Jelwood that's for sure. Carrazzo to do a number on SJ will be lucky to score 75. Bookmark it.

Fwiw I've actually backed the blues to win, think they are massive overs

 

[leng jai]

Looking at the tagger is more important than overall strength of opposition. Obviously never bank a captain on someone who is playing on Picken or Crowley.

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

Fwiw I've actually backed the blues to win, think they are massive overs

If Carlton win I'll make Laidler my captain this week.

 

[Hack_Watts]

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If Carlton win I'll make Laidler my captain this week.

If Carlton win this week I'll put GAJ on the bench...

 

[toxic]

If Carlton win I'll make Laidler my captain this week.

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If Carlton win this week I'll put GAJ on the bench...

Friday nite just got interesting boyz

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

Friday nite just got interesting boyz

You have my word
Wouldn't it be hilArious if the Blues won and Laidler pulled out a 160

 

[toxic]

You have my word
Wouldn't it be hilArious if the Blues won and Laidler pulled out a 160

If laidler pulls out a 160 ill post nude shots of Judd_Magic on the bf board

 

[Sidebottom2Beams]

If laidler pulls out a 160 ill post nude shots of Judd_Magic on the bf board

Finally, was the only reason I joined BF

 

[Kadog]

Absolutely 100% agree. That's what I've been saying all year. GAJ only score under 100 this year was against the Bulldogs. Last year Buddy scored average against Melb, GWS, GC after everyone banged on about getting him in before he played those "weak" teams.

Good players score well against better teams. Different mental mindset approaching the game. AFAIK GAJ average against the Hawks over the last 4 years has been 150+

For me, this conversation more or less centres around midfields/ers.

No doubt, good players should always lift against better opposition. Brings the best out of them. That's what separates the cream.
I'd also expect them to dominate poorer opposition, so 'people banging on' about certain players expectations vs 'weak teams' is quite valid. Doesn't always come to fruition...but it's reasonable to assume.

KPFs like Buddy are yoyos at the best of times, so I think he's a poor example to prove your point. Gaz scoring under 100 against anybody is an anomaly. It says more about him as opposed to opponent because you know that man can tear the arseh*le out of anybody.

On the Brisbane subject! why is it do you think they get beaten badly most weeks? Midfield battles that's why. They cannot compete against the elite midfield groups. It's fair to say that they took it to Carlton for this same reason...they don't have a strong midfield either so it somewhat levelled the playing field. 'Elite' mids like Murphy dominated! as he should but that's probably where the buck stopped.

The Bulldogs (as was pointed out) aren't a very good side as a whole, BUT they do have an excellent midfield group in Libba, Boyd & Griffen. As the previous trend suggests (elite mids vs Brisbane) I'd expect/assume for any of those guys do go huge.

Doesn't always come to fruition...but it's reasonable to assume. That's what the VC punt is for.

 

[Kadog]

Fwiw I've actually backed the blues to win, think they are massive overs

I hope you're not spending any hard earned on that!...unless it's a line bet.

 

[FAIRANDBALANCED]

That's my whole point though! People here seem to think a player will go huge just because their team or SC player is playing against percieved weak opposition. I mean FFS you know better than anyone that the only team to keep GAJ to less than 20 possies in 3 & 1/2 years is the Dees when they were beyond shit. Quality of opposition really doesn't translate to extra points as far as premo's go for the most part. If anything true premo's score against tougher opposition (or teams that don't tag) Really, people should be looking at their SC premo's possible direct opponent rather than the team they're playing.

Which would be Guthrie for Murphy, correct? I think thats a good matchup for Geelong.
Libba is a good bet this week, but might be worth the risk taking a freed up Griffen. Given the space Murphy was afforded against the Lions and Griffen will have a big one. But I will prob go with Minson against the Lions, considering they don't really have a ruck anymore. Pendles or Beams to be the fall back. Jr doesn't love the Swans from memory.

 

[Hack_Watts]

For me, this conversation more or less centres around midfields/ers.

No doubt, good players should always lift against better opposition. Brings the best out of them. That's what separates the cream.
I'd also expect them to dominate poorer opposition, so 'people banging on' about certain players expectations vs 'weak teams' is quite valid. Doesn't always come to fruition...but it's reasonable to assume.

KPFs like Buddy are yoyos at the best of times, so I think he's a poor example to prove your point. Gaz scoring under 100 against anybody is an anomaly. It says more about him as opposed to opponent because you know that man can tear the arseh*le out of anybody.

On the Brisbane subject! why is it do you think they get beaten badly most weeks? Midfield battles that's why. They cannot compete against the elite midfield groups. It's fair to say that they took it to Carlton for this same reason...they don't have a strong midfield either so it somewhat levelled the playing field. 'Elite' mids like Murphy dominated! as he should but that's probably where the buck stopped.

The Bulldogs (as was pointed out) aren't a very good side as a whole, BUT they do have an excellent midfield group in Libba, Boyd & Griffen. As the previous trend suggests (elite mids vs Brisbane) I'd expect/assume for any of those guys do go huge.

Doesn't always come to fruition...but it's reasonable to assume. That's what the VC punt is for.

^^^ this exactly.

 

[hoddo]

Fwiw I've actually backed the blues to win, think they are massive overs

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Carlton won. Geelong's form over their past 5 games isn't great. Slaughtered by Port and Sydney and lost clearly to Freo. Their two wins have seen them fall in against Richmond and struggle to beat North at home where they used to be unbeatable.

 

[Judd_Magic]

If laidler pulls out a 160 ill post nude shots of Judd_Magic on the bf board

You been hacking into my PC and stealing my private pics again Toxic????