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Blues far worst Fitzroy says readers

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April 09, 2008 12:00am

"WE are far worse than Fitzroy".
The headline that screamed out at Herald Sun readers in January last year related to the money woes at Carlton.
Blues finance manager Marcus Rose painted a bleak picture in a bid to get supporter backing for a $67 million redevelopment of Princes Park, designed to lift flagging revenue streams.
The brutal honesty caused an uproar. Rose resigned the next day.
Just 14 months on, the finances have been fixed.
But the headline remains relevant.
Carlton's recent on-field record is far worse than Fitzroy.
Since the start of 2002, the Blues have played 135 games. They have won just 28.
The sad, deflated Fitzroy team managed a better record on death row.
In the 135 games leading up to their emotional final outing in 1996, the Lions won 33.
The homeless Lions, emotionally wounded by the loss of key players, managed a send-off winning strike-rate of 24.4 per cent. Since the start of 2002, Carlton has a winning strike-rate of 21.5.
Take out the 10 games won in 2004 and Carlton has saluted only 18 times in 113 games.
The much-maligned Richmond has managed 43 wins from its past 135 games -- 15 more than Carlton.
Port Adelaide has won a whopping 95 of 135 -- 67 more.
Yes, Blues fans, it is that bad.
Using the same 135-game block as a framework, not many teams in history have endured worse runs than the Blues since they lost to Richmond in the 2001 finals.
Carlton is in the midst of the driest patch since St Kilda, up until Round 18 1987, won just 27 of its previous 135 games.
Other clubs to win just 27 of 135 are North Melbourne (up to 1941), Hawthorn (up to 1954) and Fitzroy (up to 1970).
It would have once been unthinkable for Carlton to be keeping such company.
We're talking about a club that has won an equal record 16 premierships and, despite its horror patch, has won 1325 league games -- the second most in history.
You probably already know Carlton has been stranded on 1325 wins for some time. The losing streak has now stretched to 14 games.
Lose to Collingwood on Sunday and the Blues will post an unwanted club record of 15 successive losses.
But Carlton is also careering towards a lesser-known record -- successive matches conceding 100 or more points.
The Blues have not kept an opponent under 100 since Round 1 last year, when Richmond kicked 15.8 (98) at the MCG to lose by 17 points. That is 24 tons in a row.
Only Sydney under Gary Buckenara (25 successive tons from Round 9, 1992 to Round 11, 1993) has been more generous in scores conceded.
No one can accuse Carlton of playing dull footy, but its defence has not stopped leaking.
Since the start of 2002, the Blues have conceded 115 points a game on average.
Sydney has let through an average of 80 in the same time frame.
New coach Brett Ratten cannot be blamed for all this. With three No. 1 draft picks, Chris Judd and an attacking style, surely it can only improve.
But Ratten must be hanging out for a breakthrough win.
He is 0-9, even if it is hard to pin the last six losses of 2007 on him given the Blues' hunger for wins was questionable at best.
Ratten is now 10th on the all-time list of coaching losses to start a career.
But everyone else on that list is from an era before tanking for the No. 1 pick became so attractive.

One of the best articles I have read in a long time.
 
oooohhhh brace yourself for a yellow, fancy posting something critical of carltank

Why not? The club deserves every bit of crap thrown at it at the moment. I couldn't believe Mark McClure on ABC radio last weekend whingeing about the fact Carlton had been hard done by losing their priority draft picks seferal years ago. The fact they lost them because his club CHEATED, didn't seem to have any bearing on his argument. It's impossible to respect that club. Try doing the right thing for a change Carlton, and people might start having some respect.
 

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Carlton are terrible. I can't wait until Collingwood win this week and by over 100 points.
 
No one can accuse Carlton of playing dull footy, but its defence has not stopped leaking.
Since the start of 2002, the Blues have conceded 115 points a game on average.
Sydney has let through an average of 80 in the same time frame.
New coach Brett Ratten cannot be blamed for all this. With three No. 1 draft picks, Chris Judd and an attacking style, surely it can only improve.
But Ratten must be hanging out for a breakthrough win.
He is 0-9, even if it is hard to pin the last six losses of 2007 on him given the Blues' hunger for wins was questionable at best.
Ratten is now 10th on the all-time list of coaching losses to start a career.
But everyone else on that list is from an era before tanking for the No. 1 pick became so attractive.

This is what puts it all into perspective.

And didn't Carlton win a 3-peat right after the losing streak in the early 1900s?
 
This is what puts it all into perspective.

And didn't Carlton win a 3-peat right after the losing streak in the early 1900s?


I think you might want to worry about actually winning a game of football before you start talking about winning 3 consecutive premierships.

Straws. Grasping. :thumbsu:
 
I think you might want to worry about actually winning a game of football before you start talking about winning 3 consecutive premierships.

Straws. Grasping. :thumbsu:



Straws. Grasping. What the **** is that meant to mean you silly little boy?? Straws. Grasping. Your attempt at humour. Grasping.
SirJimi05. Struggling.

Alwyn Davey the smooth criminal. You are a loser who needs to get off your keyboard and get laid!!!
 
Yes, Blues fans, it is that bad.

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CARLTON PLAYER STATUS REPORT AS OF 30/03/08


ANDREW WALKER - Still in therapy from playing 22 positions in 22 weeks under Denis Pagan.
JORDAN RUSSELL - Half of our fans think it's disrespectful to the great John Nicholls to allow Jordan Russell to meander around in the number 2 jumper. The other half think it's disrespectful to Dominic Fotia.
MARC MURPHY - Highly talented youngster who is widely regarded as the worst decision maker in the game after turning down the chance to go to Brisbaneunder the father/son rule.
BRYCE GIBBS - Has been nicknamed Schapelle because he's counting the days until he's allowed to go home.
CHRIS JUDD - Judd is severely hampered by a long term groin injury. He has lost explosive pace, can't kick over 40 metres, is unable to turn freely and can only play 60% of game time. Clearly the best player on the list.
KADE SIMPSON - Kade's like the average looking bird at a party that you chat up so you know you've got a guaranteed root in case you can't land something decent. Made captain till something better came along and then dropped like a Cain Ackland chest mark.
MATTHEW KREUZER - Was named as the player to lead the club out of the wilderness by our President Tricky Dicky, who the called him Matt Kruger in the same sentence. Don't know about the kid, but for god sake keep Pratt away from the players.


JASON SADDINGTON - Sydneycapped off their unforgettable Premiership win in 2005 by off-loading Jason Saddington on the Blues.
RICHARD HADLEY - Plays footy not unlike Richard Hadlee from NZ would play the game. Should only be picked if the Blues win the toss and bowl first.
CAIN ACKLAND - The story goes that when Greg Swann was woken by a call in the middle of the night and told that one of his players had been videotaped urinating on a nightclub window, he knelt by the side of his bed and prayed it was Cain Ackland.
LUKE BLACKWELL - Selected by Carltonunder the father/ordinary son rule. He's a smaller, weaker, less talented version of his father Wayne.
BRAD FISHER - Unshaven half forward flanker who could comfortably pass for one of the homeless. Broke his thumb in the pre-season after getting punched in the nose outside a soup kitchen.
SHAUN GRIGG - Loves to run with the footy. I suggest we buy him a Sherrin, drop him off on the Western Highwayand hope he runs back home to Ballarat.
SETANTA O'hAILPIN - In four years the Irishman has failed to grasp even the most basic concepts of AFL football. During Round One this year he was asked to pay more attention to loose men, so after the game he went cruising for action down Commercial Roadin Prahran.
AISAKE O'hAILPIN - Has learnt everything he knows about footy from his older brother. In other words he thinks the MCG can fly because it has two wings.
PAUL BOWER - Looks like 'Curly' Austinfrom the 1970's, plays like 'Curly' Howard from The Three Stooges.


EDDIE BETTS - If that's the case he should have $100 on Carltonto win the spoon.
ADAM HARTLETT - The Blues new enforcer took out Cam Howat behind the play in Round One. He's currently suspended, but will be back to take out Ricky Petterd against the Deesin Round Four.
NICK STEVENS - Typical drover's dog who missed all of 2007 with a neck injury after spending all of 2006 looking over his shoulder for oncoming contact.
BRENDON FEVOLA - The Fevola File is now into it's 7th bound edition. Fev had a tumultuous pre-season but told the match committee he has learnt from his mistakes. He has promised to fire up against Collingwood by taking out Dick, then follow it up against the Eagles by pissing on Glass.
CAMERON CLOKE - Getting a ruckman that Collingwood rejects is like going to Calcuttato replace your chauffeur.
HEATH SCOTLAND- Heath is a favourite in footy Dreamteams. Unfortunately for Carltonthey don't play their matches on some pimply nerd's laptop.
JARRAD WAITE - Waite could do with a little more weight and he doesn't have to look far. It's hanging over the top of Nick Stevens' shorts.
JORDAN BANNISTER - In 1954 Roger Bannister broke the four-minute mile. In 2008 Jordan Bannister is hoping to break the four-possession game.
BRET THORNTON - Tireless defender whose weekly misery is compounded by knowing that for 2 glorious days in October 2006, he was a Hawk.
RYAN HOULIHAN - The last of the four Houlihan sisters to play League football. Post-retirement he's destined to live in the same trailer park as the Whitnall brothers
SIMON WIGGINS - For the third year running the Blues forgot to delist Wiggins because he's so forgettable. Has played 89 games for the club and at the current rate will play his 100th in 2012.
DARREN PFEIFFER - Youngster who will have to come to terms with the fact that Fev will never be able to spell his surname because it starts with a silent Pee.
ANDREW CARAZZO - Ball magnet with a kicking impediment. He only told the club this year that Carazzo is Italian for turnover.
 

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That article is a crack up. Worse than Fitzroy... Ha!

How was the 135 game cut-off established? We'll just start from when Carlton began to be shit shall we.

Forget that Fitzroy were shit for a long time before they merged, having not won a flag for more than 50 years and only participating in finals a few times since then.

Let's just pretend shall we, that Fitzroy's last 135 games were the only ones that exemplified just how shit they. Let's forget the influence that the previous 50 years had on the club.

Let's ignore that in their last year, Fitzroy were so poor that they recorded only one win, with a percentage below 50, or that the year before they only managed two wins.

With so many useful comparitive measures overlooked, it comes as no surprise that all the noobs gather to jump on it like it actually represents something tangible.
 

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How was the 135 game cut-off established? We'll just start from when Carlton began to be shit shall we.

That is the general idea - if you are saying someone is shit, the starting point is vaguely around the time they became shit.

Or we could go back to 1900, take solace that everything is fine and pretend it's not happening.
 
Dont worry blues fans other supporters are realizing carlton (or carltank hahaha how hilarious?:rolleyes:...losers:thumbsu:) are on the way up!

Lay the boots in now because in a couple of years time the BLUES WILL BE A REAL FORCE TO RECKON WITH AND YOU KNOW IT!

THE GREATEST CLUB IN THE AFL IS ON THE RISE.... WE'RE COMING BACK:thumbsu:
 
That is the general idea - if you are saying someone is shit, the starting point is vaguely around the time they became shit.

Or we could go back to 1900, take solace that everything is fine and pretend it's not happening.

The problem is simply that this is a comparative use of statistics, yet the cut-off is tailored specifically to only one of the clubs.

A clear example of how easily the data can be manipulated is seen when moving the cut-off two seasons either way, with each move yielding the opposite of the published result. In restricting the comparison solely to that statistical bracket, it detracts from any definitive conclusion.

And then to title this thread as an analysis... and have noobs such as yourself flock to it, defending it's accuracy... well, it's good for a laugh I suppose, but not much else.
 

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