Carlton Mock Draft

[Salaryman]

For something a bit different:

1. Marc Murphy
4. Beau Dowler (dependent on doctors reports)
20. Matthew Spangher
36. Matt Riggio

Dowler could be a project player given Lance and Waite can share CHF duties for the next couple of years.

Spangher will fit the need for another KP defender

Riggio is bit of an unknown quantity but apparently is quick, hard at it and runs the lines off half back (maybe a bit of a raw Hurn type that could be a roughie).

 

[bluebagger]

Why not? The two don't have anything to do with each other anyway...so far we've delisted/retired Bowyer, Clarke, Norman, Diggers and Johnson, but we've promoted/added Setanta and Sadds, so that only leaves us with enough spots on our list for 1, 4 and 36.

What about pick 20, do you think we are going to pass on that or something?

Yeah, OK, I missed that one...33 players on our senior list now, with Kouta (and Campo until he's delisted) outside the 38 on the veteran's list. That means we now have space to add 5 more players to our list, so we'll use picks 1, 4, 20, (!), 36 and pick 1 in the PSD...personally I'd like to see one more out of Bannister, Wiggins, Chambers, Prendergast or Longmuir go so we can use 68 as well.

 

[DIG]

Yeah, OK, I missed that one...33 players on our senior list now, with Kouta (and Campo until he's delisted) outside the 38 on the veteran's list. That means we now have space to add 5 more players to our list, so we'll use picks 1, 4, 20, (!), 36 and pick 1 in the PSD...personally I'd like to see one more out of Bannister, Wiggins, Chambers, Prendergast or Longmuir go so we can use 68 as well.

I kinda hope we use pick 68 as well. It's such an open draft that there's a good chance someone we've had our eye on will be around still.

But there's always 1st pick in the rookie draft for that, plus i think you'll find some of those blokes you mentioned are under contract still for '06.

 

[deluxeman]

Yeah, OK, I missed that one...33 players on our senior list now, with Kouta (and Campo until he's delisted) outside the 38 on the veteran's list. That means we now have space to add 5 more players to our list, so we'll use picks 1, 4, 20, (!), 36 and pick 1 in the PSD...personally I'd like to see one more out of Bannister, Wiggins, Chambers, Prendergast or Longmuir go so we can use 68 as well.

Can't see it happening considering I'm pretty sure that all Carlton players are now under contract and Carlton will not want to pay them out.

Personally, I would too like to see one of them be delisted but I'm quite content knowing that unless there is a major turn around in form probably all 5 of them along with a few others will be gone next year just in time for the so called super draft.

 

[Salaryman]

Giving it some thought last night i had some ideas for finalising our list for next year.

I thought i would put it out there as an option to see what people thought.

I appreciate the arguments for chosing the best talent available. Having said that, there are some question marks over many of the top 10 draft picks this year. I think there are players who have fewer question marks than others but might surprise some people. It so happens that these players might also fit our needs nicely.

My idea also rests on three assumptions, a) our forward line is relatively strong and we desperatley need to bolster our defense and b) we continue to rely on Bryan and Deluca as backup ruckmen or continue to develop a rookie listed ruckman, or delist another player and use #68 on a young ruckmen) and c) Hawks take Kennedy at #3

In the defense i see a need for a luke hodge type 'quarterback' and a KPP.

therefore:

ND

#1 Marc Murphy (no-brainer)

#4 Marcus Drum (might surprise a few people), but

His best performance this season was in Round 7 at Coburg against the Cannons where he took 21 marks in the match and had 38 possessions in a dominant display across half back. His strength is his ability to read the play across the half back line

takes marks and finds the ball regularly. Hurn is the obvious choice, but has OP and is pretty heavy for his height.

#20, best remaining of Spangher, Birchall or Bower

#36 Another midfielder/wing type player, e.g a Tom Redden or Jace Bode .

#68 Jake Edwards (if he slips through to there)


#1 PSD - Kasey Green (adds toughness and a tagger can also run off the half back line and frees up Walker to play a more offensive role next year)

McLaren is most likely to occupy a role on the ench as back-up ruckman, which we may as well have Bryan doing, while Green could play an important role in the starting line-up

 

[OZBomb]

Well for a start we're passing on 68 and that's a non-negotiable unless we haven't done a deal with Teague as he's the only one left out of contract that I know of.

No point delisting a guy we're going to have to pay anyway for pick 68 in a weak draft.

1) Marc Murphy - He's the best by a fairly decent margin

4) Shannon Hurn - He can kick with pinpoint accuracy and that is really the end of the conversation. Quality mid, that is a huge Carlton fan also. The only way you'd veer away from him is if Kennedy is still available.

20) Tall Defender time Lucy / Birchall / Drum / Spangher / Bower / Obst / Mills is the running order of defenders worth picking up in this draft.

36) This is the most difficult selection in the draft for us because any sense of certainty disappears past selection 23. If Sam Lonergan is still there well that's a no-brainer to me. Otherwise a player like Jake Edwards would be good value at 36.

 

[Pivot]

Well for a start we're passing on 68 and that's a non-negotiable unless we haven't done a deal with Teague as he's the only one left out of contract that I know of.

No point delisting a guy we're going to have to pay anyway for pick 68 in a weak draft.

1) Marc Murphy - He's the best by a fairly decent margin

4) Shannon Hurn - He can kick with pinpoint accuracy and that is really the end of the conversation. Quality mid, that is a huge Carlton fan also. The only way you'd veer away from him is if Kennedy is still available.

20) Tall Defender time Lucy / Birchall / Drum / Spangher / Bower / Obst / Mills is the running order of defenders worth picking up in this draft.

36) This is the most difficult selection in the draft for us because any sense of certainty disappears past selection 23. If Sam Lonergan is still there well that's a no-brainer to me. Otherwise a player like Jake Edwards would be good value at 36.

Oz, do you rate West, Wall, Cheetham and Ainger? I too like Edwards, he would be a great pick up mid-late.

 

[OZBomb]

Oz, do you rate West, Wall, Cheetham and Ainger? I too like Edwards, he would be a great pick up mid-late.

West is ok but probably doesn't fit Carlton's needs now we're getting McLaren and Aisake is filling out.

Not too familiar with the rest of them. Cheetham was ok but nothing special.

Really difficult to judge the last 20 odd that could possibly be drafted simply because you have to follow them over a full year period, which I haven't been able to do.

They don't appear in my notes, which is not to say they don't have a lot of potential.

I like the adaptability that Edwards brings.

 

[DIG]

Pagan all but confirms no more delistings

- amongst other things in this article. #36 will be our last pick.

 

[HBF]

Considering Campo is still a listed player, when we do eventually delist him, does that mean we're going to go into next season with only a list of 37. Or will we have an extra pick in the National Draft on PSD?

 

[irish_setanta]

When campo is de-listed, we will use that pick in the national or pre-season, will have a full list of 38

 

[deluxeman]

Considering Campo is still a listed player, when we do eventually delist him, does that mean we're going to go into next season with only a list of 37. Or will we have an extra pick in the National Draft on PSD?

I'm pretty sure that as he is on the veterns list and outside the regular list at the moment we get just get an extra rookie.
Currently we have five free spots on our list already and thus we can utilise Picks 1,4,20,36 and PSD 1.

 

[Pivot]

1. M.Murphy - 179cm
4. A.Swallow - 183cm
20. P.Bower - 192cm
36. W.Mills - 195cm

Possibility.

 

[Pivot]

1. M.Murphy - 179cm
4. A.Swallow - 183cm
20. P.Bower - 192cm
36. W.Mills - 195cm

Possibility.

Now more than a possibility, we need Murphy and Swallow at 1 & 4. Bower and Mills at 20 & 36 as our "talls". We would get plenty of leadership and direction from these guys.

 

[Laras_Finest]

what about getting steven salopek from port adelaide with carlton's PSD #1 pick? He was taken at draft pick number #6 a few years ago and seems to have plenty of potential. He is still young and I reckon he could be handy in the carlton line up!

 

[Salaryman]

By all accounts Salopek was on our radar for PSD, but unfortunately he re-signed with Port a while back now.

Paddy, i really like the idea of Murphy, Swallow, Bower and Mills, but don't think it will eventuate.

 

[Pivot]

By all accounts Salopek was on our radar for PSD, but unfortunately he re-signed with Port a while back now.

Paddy, i really like the idea of Murphy, Swallow, Bower and Mills, but don't think it will eventuate.

Why? Murphy will be no.1. Swallow and Bower have had the Blues hierachy speak with them a number of times. Mills is maybe the one we could miss.

 

[Effes]

West Coast may pick Bower with pick 14. They have enough midfielders. It will be interesting to see if Dowler is still there at 14; will they pick him ahead of Bower?

Brisbane might even pick Bower with pick 9, considering both Leppitsch and Michael are into the latter stages of their careers

 

[Pivot]

West Coast may pick Bower with pick 14. They have enough midfielders. It will be interesting to see if Dowler is still there at 14; will they pick him ahead of Bower?

Brisbane might even pick Bower with pick 9, considering both Leppitsch and Michael are into the latter stages of their careers

Don't think West Coast rate him as high as 14 but you never know. Hopefully one of Dowler, Bower or Spangher will still be around at pick 20. If not, Jake Edwards at 20 or 36 might be an option.

 

[bibi01]

Considering Campo is still a listed player, when we do eventually delist him, does that mean we're going to go into next season with only a list of 37. Or will we have an extra pick in the National Draft on PSD?

mojo31 summed it up pretty well in another thread


2006.
39 players and 5 rookies.

Kouta listed as a veteran but outside the 38 players for 2006. You can list veterans outside or inside the 38 players and it does not have any effect on the veterans list for salary cap.
So all it does is reduce the number of rookies.

So when Campo leaves as he is also listed as a veteran and outside the 38 players we will have 2 rookie spots to fill.

5 spots on the senior list and 2 on the rookie list.

Hope that explains it.

Thanks MOJO31

 

[Salaryman]

I'd just be surprised if Bower and Mills fell into our hands that easily. On top of that only a few of the inner echelon really know who we are interested in. If we got Dowler with 4 for example, we might even look to blokes like Pendlebury or Birchall if available at 20.

 

[foj1]

As an outsider this is how I think Carlton will go:
1. Murphy- no doubt
4. Hurn- similar to Hodge to good to pass if still there
20. Dowler/ Drum (KP)- dowler may slide due to accident
36. White- real speed something you lack
68. Wall/ Graham/ warnock- One should still be available- developing talls
Is Jesse smith a chance to be promoted? He may be too much like other mids but is a real solid player.

 

[macca69]

You can all but lock in Dowler at 4.

 

[mojo31]

As an outsider this is how I think Carlton will go:
1. Murphy- no doubt
4. Hurn- similar to Hodge to good to pass if still there
20. Dowler/ Drum (KP)- dowler may slide due to accident
36. White- real speed something you lack
68. Wall/ Graham/ warnock- One should still be available- developing talls
Is Jesse smith a chance to be promoted? He may be too much like other mids but is a real solid player.

We would all be esctatic if that actually happened.

Murphy, Hurn and Drum/Dowler with our first 3 picks. However very unlikely.
Dowler will depend on the last medical he will have before the draft and Drum really could go anywhere since he is "only a HBF".

Jesse Smith cannot be promoted as the time for that has passed and had to be made by Oct31. So he is retained on the rookie list for 1 more year.

We wont be using pick 68 and just the first 4 picks.

 

[deluxeman]

You can all but lock in Dowler at 4.

Forgetting position, how to people rate Dowler compared to Kennedy, Ellis, Ryder and Hurn?

I'm going to be real disappointed if Carlton don't go with the best avaliable talent and isntead try to pick up a player on what position they play.