Carlton needs to draft forwards

[recently blue]

Looking at the dozens of "Our 2007 lineup" posts, most of them are pretty similar, with about 18 certainties and about 7 players fighting out the last four spots. The positions change around, but not the names.

FWIW, here's mine (assuming Gibbs)

Scotland, Thornton, O'hAilpin
Gibbs, Whitnall, Bower
Lappin, Stevens, Simpson
Waite, Kennedy, Fisher
McLaren, Fevola, Betts

Ackland, Walker, Murphy

Houlihan, Kouta, Bentick, Blackwell


Now, have a look at who's left over:

Wiggins, Russell, Saddington, Bannister,Edwards, Hartlett, Teague, Carrazzo,
Raso, Flint, Bryan.

Nearly all defenders, and certainly not a recognised forward amongst them. It seems to me we need to draft more forwards than defenders in the ND.

 

[navier-stokes equation]

We need to draft the best. DOesn't matter what position they play in

That forward line you've got there is too tall - McLaren would be slaughtered and run off at every opportunity

We need some variety in our forward line; a mixture of crumbers, tall and medium lead up forwards.

 

[Salaryman]

We need to draft the best. DOesn't matter what position they play in

That forward line you've got there is too tall - McLaren would be slaughtered and run off at every opportunity

We need some variety in our forward line; a mixture of crumbers, tall and medium lead up forwards.

Agreed, besides, Harts started life as a forward IIRC, and is probably still best suited ot that role....Wiggins can pinch hit in a FP, probably better suited there than McLaren (as is Hartlett).

 

[Silvagnis]

How many gun forwards did the Premiers have?

The Swans made the GF with Hall, O'Keefe and O'Loughlin and Fevola and Kennedy might be our Hall and O'Loughlin in years to come. We need to draft a Collard and Jetta or Connors and O'Keefe at 17 and 19 or similar players because Wiggins will never be our Alan Didak or Ryan O'Keefe.

Do we have any quality medium forwards who can kick?

What would Parrot make of this thread?

 

[harted]

We need to draft the best. DOesn't matter what position they play in

That forward line you've got there is too tall - McLaren would be slaughtered and run off at every opportunity

Agreed! Don't even consider where 18 year olds have played their junior footy. Look at their size, football brain skill and then your coaching staff should be able to make them into whatever the team needs at that time.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

because Wiggins will never be our Alan Didak or Ryan O'Keefe.

No buy guys like Waite, Fisher, Betts have the potential to be.

Do we have any quality medium forwards who can kick?

Not at the moment no. But we have quality forwards who can find the ball and it's alot easier to teach someone how to kick straight than it is to teach them to find the find.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Looking at the dozens of "Our 2007 lineup" posts, most of them are pretty similar, with about 18 certainties and about 7 players fighting out the last four spots. The positions change around, but not the names.
FWIW, here's mine (assuming Gibbs)
Scotland, Thornton, O'hAilpin
Gibbs, Whitnall, Bower
Lappin, Stevens, Simpson
Waite, Kennedy, Fisher
McLaren, Fevola, Betts
Ackland, Walker, Murphy
Houlihan, Kouta, Bentick, Blackwell
Now, have a look at who's left over:
Wiggins, Russell, Saddington, Bannister,Edwards, Hartlett, Teague, Carrazzo,
Raso, Flint, Bryan.
Nearly all defenders, and certainly not a recognised forward amongst them. It seems to me we need to draft more forwards than defenders in the ND.

At this stage I would tend to disagree with you. In all respects I would definitely not have
1. Bryce on a HBF in his first year. Way to much expectation to stop some1 as apposed to getting your own footy. Give him freedom in his 1st year in the FW line & on the ball then maybe Next year give him tasks in the BKL.
2. Having Scotland at BKP is a complete waste. Averaged 25+ touches this year on HBF providing great run & delivery to our forwards.
3. McLaren at FP, then we are getting way too top heavy. Yes may be as a pinch hitter but I would put Kouta there before him if we wanted to stretch other teams.

My team would consist like this. Playing the game still I am a firm believer that there are no definite positions on the ground anymore besides the Ruck. Players get assigned players best suited to them and the team structure. Therefore i will not place any1 in direct positions but more so the in the positioning on the ground.

Please note that this team has no1 in it with potential ala Hartlett, DP's 17 & 19 Flint etc. Bryce Gibbs' is the exception though.

FROM THE BACKS IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER:
O'hAilpin, Russell, Scotland, Bower, Thornton, Whitnall

FOWARDS AGAIN IN TO PARTICULAR ORDER:
Fev, Betts, Fisher, Waite, Kennedy, Gibbs.

AND ONBALLERS INCLUDING WINGS & CENTREMEN:
Ackland, Murphy, Walker, Simpson, Stevens, Blackwell.

BENCH FROM: Kouta, Lappin, McLaren either Cazzo or Houlihan at this stage.

EMERGENCIES: Hartlett, Flint, DP's 17 & 19, Bentick, Wiggins, Bannister, Edwards, Bryan Raso, and maybe Teague.

Some half decent emergencies I think.

In conclusion (finally) The need of extra forwards is not our priority. We need a Quality RUCKMAN (haha) the Defenders then Onballers then Forwards. In this side you can throw in Kouta, Lappin, Whitnall can be used, even O'hAilpin.

The future is BRIGHT BLUE SKIES.

 

[Silvagnis]

No but guys like Waite, Fisher, Betts have the potential to be.

Not at the moment no. But we have quality forwards who can find the ball and it's alot easier to teach someone how to kick straight than it is to teach them to find the find.

It is?

We still need more midfielders and I hope we don't draft any KPP with picks 17 and 19.

 

[blues4flag]

In conclusion (finally) The need of extra forwards is not our priority. We need a Quality RUCKMAN (haha) the Defenders then Onballers then Forwards.

Agreed. If our forwards can have injury free seasons they can be very good. We might have many defenders, but not many quality or proven ones. Our ruck deficiencies are obvious, and picking up Gibbs and another quality mid, along with the continued development of our own, will greatly benefit the team going forward.

 

[parrot]

How many gun forwards did the Premiers have?

The Swans made the GF with Hall, O'Keefe and O'Loughlin and Fevola and Kennedy might be our Hall and O'Loughlin in years to come. We need to draft a Collard and Jetta or Connors and O'Keefe at 17 and 19 or similar players because Wiggins will never be our Alan Didak or Ryan O'Keefe.

Do we have any quality medium forwards who can kick?

What would Parrot make of this thread?

Well, we don't need any more KP forwards - we have plenty of quality there with Fev, Kennedy, Waite, and Fisher. Hartlett is also a KP forward, and Setanta will play up forward on occasions. Our real forward line weakness in recent years, is the lack of good medium-forwards. Longmuir was recruited for that purpose. Last year, Wiggins showed he has potential in that role. I also suspect Houla will play more on the HF flank next year - a position which he excelled in, during the early part of his career. Gibbs will also be rested in the forward line, and has shown he has the capability of being an extremely damaging HF flanker, with serious goal kicking ability. Murph and Eddie will do the crumbing duties. I really like our forward line. Has all the ingredients - now all they need is some stability in the lineup, and better delivery from the midfield. Looking forward to Josh Kennedy's efforts in particular - he will be a huge crash-and-bash pack-marking CHF, with a real physical presence. So many options up forward - just can't wait to 2007.

 

[WalkerTexasRanger]

Looking at the dozens of "Our 2007 lineup" posts, most of them are pretty similar, with about 18 certainties and about 7 players fighting out the last four spots. The positions change around, but not the names.

FWIW, here's mine (assuming Gibbs)

Scotland, Thornton, O'hAilpin
Gibbs, Whitnall, Bower
Lappin, Stevens, Simpson
Waite, Kennedy, Fisher
McLaren, Fevola, Betts

Ackland, Walker, Murphy

Houlihan, Kouta, Bentick, Blackwell


Now, have a look at who's left over:

Wiggins, Russell, Saddington, Bannister,Edwards, Hartlett, Teague, Carrazzo,
Raso, Flint, Bryan.

Nearly all defenders, and certainly not a recognised forward amongst them. It seems to me we need to draft more forwards than defenders in the ND.

because you put all the forwards on the ground at once! Lappin is not a wing - Fisher isn't either but he'd be better there than Lappin. Scotland should not be in back pocket (Russell should pop in there). You could do the same like this and claim we need defenders - its just our better players are our fwds and therefore they are filling gaps on the ground and leaving a surplus of young underdeveloped defensive type players in the pool: As unrealistic as this is - you can see we have a pretty even spread of players who could play in defence, forward or mid - just talent that is not even across the board - 2-3 years and everyone will have forgotten Kerr, Judd, Cousins...

Russell, Thornton, Teague
Saddington,Bower/Ohailpin,
Walker ,Stevens, Houlihan
Lappin, Whitnall, Scotland
Wiggins,Fevola, Carazzo

Ackland, Kouta, Murphy

Hartlett, Simpson, McLaren, Scotland

Now, have a look at who's left over:

Kennedy; Lappin, Bannister, Edwards, Blackwell Bentick, Betts, Waite, Fisher, Flint, Bryan, Raso

 

[Bronx Bomber]

It is?

We still need more midfielders and I hope we don't draft any KPP with picks 17 and 19.

Sorry that was meant to say find the ball. But my point is you can't teach someone to run to the right place, you can't teach someone to read the play. But you can teach someone how to kick straight.

 

[HBF]

No more forwards in this draft, particularly our early picks. Our midfield is in dire need of some depth, and our ruck stocks need a shot in the arm as well.

Forwards should be the last thing we should be looking for.

 

[DIG]

Looking at the dozens of "Our 2007 lineup" posts, most of them are pretty similar, with about 18 certainties and about 7 players fighting out the last four spots. The positions change around, but not the names.

FWIW, here's mine (assuming Gibbs)

Scotland, Thornton, O'hAilpin
Gibbs, Whitnall, Bower
Lappin, Stevens, Simpson
Waite, Kennedy, Fisher
McLaren, Fevola, Betts

Ackland, Walker, Murphy

Houlihan, Kouta, Bentick, Blackwell


Now, have a look at who's left over:

Wiggins, Russell, Saddington, Bannister,Edwards, Hartlett, Teague, Carrazzo,
Raso, Flint, Bryan.

Nearly all defenders, and certainly not a recognised forward amongst them. It seems to me we need to draft more forwards than defenders in the ND.

I agree to an extent. We've got a stack of young defenders coming through - Bower, Edwards, Flint, Hartlett, Setanta, etc - but not quite the same depth up forward and if we get some key injuries we'll have to juggle around again.

Fev won't be around forever either, but we've got some time on our side there.

having said all that, i think we should go best available in the nat draft, especially early and draft for needs more in the rookie draft. Ideally for me in ND if the cards fall this way - 4 mids/wingers, 1 ruck, 1 mid size fwd and maybe a utility if we use pick #83.

But if best available happens to be a key forward we shouldn't overlook him.

 

[av76]

Ruck and midfielders for me.
We have a few defensive option coming through.
Lance, if he plays past 30, will go forward again. You've got Hartlett too. O'Hailpin can go forward to if it get crowded down back should Flint, Bower, Thornton be the three talls. Guys like Houlihan are also best suited forward.
Once we get some quality in the midfield...add Gibbs and good ruckman with Walker moving to the centre... and we should be very competitive.

 

[blueboys1]

2007 team
B Russell, S O’hAilpin, Thornton
HB Bower, Waite, Lappin
C Simpson, Stevens , Walker
HF Fisher, Kennedy , Blackwell
F Whitnall, Fevola, Betts
R Ackland, Bryce Gibbs, Murphy
Int, Scotland, Bentick, Kouta, Bryan

2007 team
Russell, up and coming player will step up next year and show us what he can do
S O’hAilpin, He is tall and is getting a bigger body so can free up Thornton
Thornton,Is a top class player and is very attacking from the back line.

Bower, In what I have seen so far looks very good and will be very attacking from here
Waite, Is tall fast and a good kick in play doesn’t kick enough goals for a forward but will be great running of the back line
Lappin, this is where he plays best AA HBF

Simpson, great year last year and will get better
Stevens, hoping this year they let him play football again and not tagging
Walker, Must go into the midfield and show us how good he is

Fisher, Injury has keep him from doing his best, with a good preseason he can be anything.
Kennedy, How good will he be, has great skills is fast for a big man and can kick goals.
Blackwell, fast, very clever and a good thinker next year he will show us how good he is

Whitnall, to slow to play on the top forwards didn’t beat one last year only played well when free across H/B but can kick goals and that is what we need him to do
Fevola, is just great
Betts, fast and can kick the goals we all go to the football to see. Will get better as well

Ackland, can run all day and will be a good handy pick up
Bryce Gibbs, This guy is first class and will play from round 1
Murphy, how good is he ,was just getting going this year .WOW can’t wait


Int
Bentick,A very good tagger and will be better next year
Kouta, will be great coming of the bench and can play anywhere we need him
Bryan, hoping he has a great preseason so he can show us what he has, I like him
Scotland, he going to be pushing for his spot and isn’t that a great thing if he has to be pushing for a spot
The Backup
Hartlett, Edwards,are up and coming players with a full preseason under them will be putting pressure on getting a game as well

Carrazzo, Houlihan, Wiggins,Flint and other new draft picks will be there as back ups

This is a team that will get better in 2008 and we will only lose 1-2 players from it

THE FUTURE LOOKS GOOD Go Blues

 

[Silvagnis]

Have a look at the similar threads listed at the bottom of this page and who started them.

This thread should have been posted on the mainboard just so we could see the results on there.

 

[audas]

You lost me here...........

Scotland, he going to be pushing for his spot and isn’t that a great

but got me back again here

THE FUTURE LOOKS GOOD Go Blues

 

[RiCHii]

2007 team
B Russell, S O’hAilpin, Thornton
HB Bower, Waite, Lappin
C Simpson, Stevens , Walker
HF Fisher, Kennedy , Blackwell
F Whitnall, Fevola, Betts
R Ackland, Bryce Gibbs, Murphy
Int, Scotland, Bentick, Kouta, Bryan

2007 team
Russell, up and coming player will step up next year and show us what he can do
S O’hAilpin, He is tall and is getting a bigger body so can free up Thornton
Thornton,Is a top class player and is very attacking from the back line.

Bower, In what I have seen so far looks very good and will be very attacking from here
Waite, Is tall fast and a good kick in play doesn’t kick enough goals for a forward but will be great running of the back line
Lappin, this is where he plays best AA HBF

Simpson, great year last year and will get better
Stevens, hoping this year they let him play football again and not tagging
Walker, Must go into the midfield and show us how good he is

Fisher, Injury has keep him from doing his best, with a good preseason he can be anything.
Kennedy, How good will he be, has great skills is fast for a big man and can kick goals.
Blackwell, fast, very clever and a good thinker next year he will show us how good he is

Whitnall, to slow to play on the top forwards didn’t beat one last year only played well when free across H/B but can kick goals and that is what we need him to do
Fevola, is just great
Betts, fast and can kick the goals we all go to the football to see. Will get better as well

Ackland, can run all day and will be a good handy pick up
Bryce Gibbs, This guy is first class and will play from round 1
Murphy, how good is he ,was just getting going this year .WOW can’t wait


Int
Bentick,A very good tagger and will be better next year
Kouta, will be great coming of the bench and can play anywhere we need him
Bryan, hoping he has a great preseason so he can show us what he has, I like him
Scotland, he going to be pushing for his spot and isn’t that a great thing if he has to be pushing for a spot
The Backup
Hartlett, Edwards,are up and coming players with a full preseason under them will be putting pressure on getting a game as well

Carrazzo, Houlihan, Wiggins,Flint and other new draft picks will be there as back ups

This is a team that will get better in 2008 and we will only lose 1-2 players from it

THE FUTURE LOOKS GOOD Go Blues

i like the way you have set the team up that is 100% what i think the team should look like with the exeption of waite at CHB . We should try him there but if that doesnt work out swap him around with whitnall , or if it doesnt work swap him with bower and give him a crack on the flank

 

[DIG]

i like the way you have set the team up that is 100% what i think the team should look like with the exeption of waite at CHB . We should try him there but if that doesnt work out swap him around with whitnall , or if it doesnt work swap him with bower and give him a crack on the flank

But Houlihans easily in our best 22 after probly his best year.

 

[blues4flag]

i like the way you have set the team up that is 100% what i think the team should look like with the exeption of waite at CHB . We should try him there but if that doesnt work out swap him around with whitnall , or if it doesnt work swap him with bower and give him a crack on the flank

Houlihan in 22 for Bryan, Scotland in 18 for Russel.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Of all the things we need, forwards certainly aren't one of them. One forward line would match most teams. Real delivery in there would make it even better. Mids, a ruckman and a KP defender (allowing Whitnall to play forward) would certainly come before another forward.

 

[Jimthegreat]

2007 team
B Russell, S O’hAilpin, Thornton
HB Bower, Waite, Lappin
C Simpson, Stevens , Walker
HF Fisher, Kennedy , Blackwell
F Whitnall, Fevola, Betts
R Ackland, Bryce Gibbs, Murphy
Int, Scotland, Bentick, Kouta, Bryan

2007 team
Russell, up and coming player will step up next year and show us what he can do
S O’hAilpin, He is tall and is getting a bigger body so can free up Thornton
Thornton,Is a top class player and is very attacking from the back line.

Bower, In what I have seen so far looks very good and will be very attacking from here
Waite, Is tall fast and a good kick in play doesn’t kick enough goals for a forward but will be great running of the back line
Lappin, this is where he plays best AA HBF

Simpson, great year last year and will get better
Stevens, hoping this year they let him play football again and not tagging
Walker, Must go into the midfield and show us how good he is

Fisher, Injury has keep him from doing his best, with a good preseason he can be anything.
Kennedy, How good will he be, has great skills is fast for a big man and can kick goals.
Blackwell, fast, very clever and a good thinker next year he will show us how good he is

Whitnall, to slow to play on the top forwards didn’t beat one last year only played well when free across H/B but can kick goals and that is what we need him to do
Fevola, is just great
Betts, fast and can kick the goals we all go to the football to see. Will get better as well

Ackland, can run all day and will be a good handy pick up
Bryce Gibbs, This guy is first class and will play from round 1
Murphy, how good is he ,was just getting going this year .WOW can’t wait


Int
Bentick,A very good tagger and will be better next year
Kouta, will be great coming of the bench and can play anywhere we need him
Bryan, hoping he has a great preseason so he can show us what he has, I like him
Scotland, he going to be pushing for his spot and isn’t that a great thing if he has to be pushing for a spot
The Backup
Hartlett, Edwards,are up and coming players with a full preseason under them will be putting pressure on getting a game as well

Carrazzo, Houlihan, Wiggins,Flint and other new draft picks will be there as back ups

This is a team that will get better in 2008 and we will only lose 1-2 players from it

THE FUTURE LOOKS GOOD Go Blues

That team stacks up well, especially when you can put Scotland on the bench and leave out Houlihan. Makes a lie of the excuse of a bad list as a reason we won only 3 games.

 

[mediumsizered]

That team stacks up well, especially when you can put Scotland on the bench and leave out Houlihan. Makes a lie of the excuse of a bad list as a reason we won only 3 games.

The team stacks up well on potential, but when you consider Setanta only found his feet late in the season, Russell struggled to have an impact, Bower only played the last couple of games, Murphy, Waite & Fisher missed sizeable chunks of the season, Kennedy struggled to find the pace of the game, Blackwell only made his debut this season, Ackland has just joined the club, Gibbs is yet to join the club, Bryan took most of the season to get his attitude right & Stevens had a year that he would probably like to forget, what it looks like on paper compared to the reality of the season gives a bit of a clue as to why we only won 3 games.

I hope we can put a team like that on field next season because then we will win more than 3 games. A poor attempt to throw in an anti-Pagan message, though, Jim.

 

[AlecDuncan]

Of all the things we need, forwards certainly aren't one of them. One forward line would match most teams. Real delivery in there would make it even better. Mids, a ruckman and a KP defender (allowing Whitnall to play forward) would certainly come before another forward.

We could still use a small Nathan Brown type in there. Eddie is good, but he's got another level to go to still.