Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Mofra]

the lancet as a whole is against the boosters. What you have just done is used a google search engine. Big mistake, they censor everything

More CT hogwash.
Post the Lancet articles that advise against the boosters.

 

[Hakim]

the idea that a ready made treatment was available the whole f*n time but every govt and medical science team on the planet has willfully ignored or refused to use it is so absurdly ludicrious that it is beyond belief

remember they ordered ventilators. Then they realised ventilators were blowing up people's lungs and were exacerbating everything when they ended up in hospital. How about give their citizens Vitamin c, d, zinc and quercetin to make their immune systems stronger. Other countries have done that to success. Australia cant

 

[H00t]

So you've just admitted we don't know the data. That's called an experimental vaccine.
Do you expect people to put a jab in their arm and system when there isn't even data to prove how effective and what antibodies level they create. Based off your argument it'd be a big risk to get the jab and hence why a lot of people would be hesitant like Jones. But oh well most put the thing in their system against their will because of a tyranical government coercing them.

Wow. Just wow. You’ve just completely missed what I just said.

Nothing about the vaccine is experimental at this point.

However the antibody test that you’ve claimed which would be an immunity test has been stopped due to being experimental. Is all good in your books.

But the proven vaccine is bad because you believe it is experimental?

 

[faible]

the lancet

Is a Medical Journal that publishes research papers written by other people. Not a regulatory body.

 

[Mofra]

remember they ordered ventilators. Then they realised ventilators were blowing up people's lungs and were exacerbating everything when they ended up in hospital. How about give their citizens Vitamin c, d, zinc and quercetin to make their immune systems stronger. Other countries have done that to success. Australia cant

Wat

 

[Gruffles]

To all the newbies (although I wonder how many may just be returning under a different guise?) to the BF Coronavirus board, welcome! Feel free to trawl your way through the other threads to find a treasure trove of information with scientific studies linked on amazing topics such as:

- Vaccine efficacy
- Antibody titre levels for vaccine vs natural immunity (spoiler... natural immunity antibody levels drop at a similar rate to vaccine immunity)
- How covid death reporting is done
- Vaccinated vs non-vaccinated transmission levels
And many more!

As a bonus there are many discussions on vaccine mandates and debates over the effectiveness of lockdowns.

It may be worth your while reading through these discussions before raising the same things for the 50th time.

 

[faible]

Wat

They inflate people's lungs, duh.

 

[slashin_velvet]

The thing that baffles me is the minute you ask an anti-vaccination person if they would be willing to pay for their hospitalization given they are choosing to be higher risk, they blow up about "denying them medical treatment".

Why do these people who are "refusing a medical treatment" because "my body, my choice" then demand that they are entitled to full service free hospital care (medical treatment) when they are suffering symptoms from a virus that could have largely been avoided/minimised. The doctors treating them in ICU would have wanted them to try and avoid the risk of death by getting vaccines, but these doctors are "paid off quacks" under a "gag order for big pharma" until these people need a tube to breathe - at which point they are life saving heroes.

 

[Hakim]

More CT hogwash.
Post the Lancet articles that advise against the boosters.

DEFINE_ME

Boosters only for severe immunocomprised see above. But they admit it is too early to make a clear decision either. Hmmm

DEFINE_ME

skeptical of boosters



The Lancet believe they're only needed for severe immunocomprimised people. Thats it

 

[Gruffles]

scroll through the fake news. Look at what you're saying with lockdown effectiness.

Went into lockdown with 8 cases something like that. Exited with 2000 a day. But sCiEnCe and LocKdOwN's work

Not sure what this has to do with my post and I'm not saying anything about lockdown effectiveness, but thanks for the reply.

However, Science does work when it's carried out and analysed correctly.

 

[faible]

The thing that baffles me is the minute you ask an anti-vaccination person if they would be willing to pay for their hospitalization given they are choosing to be higher risk, they blow up about "denying them medical treatment".

Why do these people who are "refusing a medical treatment" because "my body, my choice" then demand that they are entitled to full service free hospital care (medical treatment) when they are suffering symptoms from a virus that could have largely been avoided/minimised. The doctors treating them in ICU would have wanted them to try and avoid the risk of death by getting vaccines, but these doctors are "paid off quacks" under a "gag order for big pharma" until these people need a tube to breathe - at which point they are life saving heroes.

something something smokers and fat people

 

[faible]

The Lancet

Is a Medical Journal that publishes other people's research.

You seem to fundamentally misunderstand what they do.

 

[Hakim]

The thing that baffles me is the minute you ask an anti-vaccination person if they would be willing to pay for their hospitalization given they are choosing to be higher risk, they blow up about "denying them medical treatment".

Why do these people who are "refusing a medical treatment" because "my body, my choice" then demand that they are entitled to full service free hospital care (medical treatment) when they are suffering symptoms from a virus that could have largely been avoided/minimised. The doctors treating them in ICU would have wanted them to try and avoid the risk of death by getting vaccines, but these doctors are "paid off quacks" under a "gag order for big pharma" until these people need a tube to breathe - at which point they are life saving heroes.

they pay taxes like the general population. Make those who are obese, smokers, alcoholics pay for their hospital treatment before you start telling me unvaxxed should pay for treatment if they ever needed it

 

[Gruffles]

The Lancet believe they're only needed for severe immunocomprimised people. Thats it

Just a quick question... do you understand who The Lancet are and what they do?

 

[faible]

something something smokers and fat people

they pay taxes like the general population. Make those who are obese, smokers, alcoholics pay for their hospital treatment before you start telling me unvaxxed should pay for treatment if they ever needed it

And there we go.

 

[slashin_velvet]

something something smokers and fat people

they pay taxes like the general population. Make those who are obese, smokers, alcoholics pay for their hospital treatment before you start telling me unvaxxed should pay for treatment if they ever needed it

BAHAHAHA

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He is a muppet but it's his choice that's fine. The AFL have the choice to not let him play too. Works both ways. Good on the AFL for mandating it. That doesn't mean Jones has to do it but there are consequences if he doesn't.

Just hope there are plans for Carlton or any other club if a player refuses it before the National draft

 

[theyellowsash]

What evidence are you basing it on that Jones is a higher risk to Doch

science

 

[Hakim]

He is a muppet but it's his choice that's fine. The AFL have the choice to not let him play too. Works both ways. Good on the AFL for mandating it. That doesn't mean Jones has to do it but there are consequences if he doesn't.

Just hope there are plans for Carlton or any other club if a player refuses it before the National draft

why is it good that theyve mandated it

 

[Taylor]

the idea that a ready made treatment was available the whole f*n time but every govt and medical science team on the planet has willfully ignored or refused to use it is so absurdly ludicrious that it is beyond belief

It would have prevented the use of the vaccines if there was an alternative treatment to the virus. The emergency use protocols wouldn't allow for them.

So while I don't think that there is a known viable alternative, it's also not in the interests of anyone for them to find it to be that there are while trying to roll out a vaccine program.

And you can look at that from both sides. The people who want the vaccines out because they believe them to be the best option for saving lives want as many people to have access as possible and the people who want to sell as many vaccines as possible want as many getting out as they can.

It doesn't really matter than the process of blocking the polymerase of the new drug is almost as good as something already on the market, or that the effect of something else (the I word) is a third better at it than the product it was tested against. Both the options compared to it are cents on the dollar of the new drug price.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

57% of posters on bf voted for mandatory jab. No good argument still for Jones funny enough and no good argument for mandatory jab.
Because there is none
He can still pass the virus onto somebody else just like his vaxxed teammates can.

He is more than welcome to make a choice. There are consequences with that choice just like Kyrie Irving has made in the NBA. He's as dumb as a plank personally but that is his choice and I won't say he can't make the choice The AFL as the body who in the end pays the wages deserves to protect the game, and rightly so.

 

[theyellowsash]

He is a muppet but it's his choice that's fine. The AFL have the choice to not let him play too. Works both ways. Good on the AFL for mandating it. That doesn't mean Jones has to do it but there are consequences if he doesn't.

Just hope there are plans for Carlton or any other club if a player refuses it before the National draft

wonder if they'll be able to open up a list spot for the preseason supplementary draft, whatever its called. the one thats just before the season. worst case, they'll get a list spot for the mid season draft, but youd hope something can be sorted out before then

 

[Hakim]

He is more than welcome to make a choice. There are consequences with that choice just like Kyrie Irving has made in the NBA. He's as dumb as a plank personally but that is his choice and I won't say he can't make the choice The AFL as the body who in the end pays the wages deserves to protect the game, and rightly so.

how is it protecting the game when the other players can transmit the virus even tho they are vaccinated like Jones. Dumb logic

 

[LukeParkerno1]

why is it good that theyve mandated it

If it makes more in society get vaccinated, it's a good thing, not fussed if a handful don't want it. They won't be missed in the game. Players will be able to interact with fans.

Doesn't matter to Sydney all our side and officials are all double vaxxed.

 

[faible]

it's also not in the interests of anyone

Incorrect.