Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Muddiemoose]

I don't think AFL players who are some of the most fit and healthy people in the world have much to worry about from Covid.

Yet one of Jones own teammates are immunocompromised and one of the chemotherapy drugs that he would be receiving for his treatment is known to also harm the lungs placing his teammate at more of a risk category if he caught Covid

 

[fixxxer]

Utter BS. Not only do anti-vaxers/anti-mandaters know nothing of how vaccines work, they know nothing even of the history of vaccines.

Start with polio.

Why do vaccine obsessed people always quote Polio vaccine as some sort of perfection created by science? You might want to read up on the development of it, which started in 1930 and was introduced in early 1950's and subsequently "perfected" over the next 30 years.

Oh and only just recently, oral version was actually giving children the virus.

Obviously these scientists and big pharma aren't out there to kill us on purpose, but we still don't to just blindly trust them.

They have fuc*** us MANY times and the next big drug or vaccine that kills thousands is only just around the corner.

 

[Roby]

Well he may have already had covid and not known it (heard of quite a few like this)
He should get an antibody test.

If he got it I'm assuming he would isolate at home and ride it out.
I doubt a brand new outbreak is going to come down to Liam Jones decision.
Considering Melbourne still has 1k+ daily cases many of whom are vaccinated.

Vaccines normally take 7 years minimum and usually 10+ years to go through all the safety checks.
I feel Jones was within his right to refuse considering he is towards the end of his career anyway.

What safety checks are those?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Yeah so what are you so scared of ?

Personally I am scared of simple idiots like you who spread lies, propaganda and don’t have a year one understanding of basic mathematics.

People like you are actually very dangerous.

 

[TheKanga]

How do you know that it's like getting blood out of a stone... Have you put a claim in?

Also... You're correct, doctors don't want to lose their jobs which is why they would report a case of pericarditis, not try and hide it or misreport its cause.

Just what I've heard that there are a lot more reactions than are reported.
That many choose not to go against the ''safe and effective'' company line and just say it's not the vax.

Medical exemptions are hard to get to.
If you can't get it the proof from a DR the claim won't be paid.

Anyway i hope I'm wrong and it's transparent and easy if people need reimbursement.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Mate I was double vaccinated in September. 6 weeks later I was in hospital with covid. I couldn't breathe on my own, I developed pneumonia, still suffering with side effects to this very day. I was told my the doctors that I could potentially die from my condition.

I am in my 20s, zero underlying health conditions. Tell me how good this vaccine is?

Before you say imagine I wasn't double jabbed, I have heard it all before.

Fake news.. they will say you were lucky you had the vax or you would have died

 

[hiking]

I'm sorry if it's already been discussed and known.

But, do we know why LJ has decided to retire and/or not take the COVID19 vaccination? And also, is there any reason (medical or otherwise) that a player can refuse the vaccination, and still continue their AFL playing career?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Mate I was double vaccinated in September. 6 weeks later I was in hospital with covid. I couldn't breathe on my own, I developed pneumonia, still suffering with side effects to this very day. I was told my the doctors that I could potentially die from my condition.

I am in my 20s, zero underlying health conditions. Tell me how good this vaccine is?

Before you say imagine I wasn't double jabbed, I have heard it all before.

So the Vax straight out saved your life?

 

[TheKanga]

Personally I am scared of simple idiots like you who spread lies, propaganda and don’t have a year one understanding of basic mathematics.

People like you are actually very dangerous.

Personal insults again.

Why would anyone want to listen to people like you when all you do is berate people?

You can take a booster shot every year for all i care.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Fake news.. they will say you were lucky you had the vax or you would have died

Statistically it’s true. It most probably saved his life. That and the fact there was care available to him because of high vaccination rates in this country.

 

[freddy mercury]

Fake news.. they will say you were lucky you had the vax or you would have died

I've heard it all before

 

[Gruffles]

Just what I've heard that there are a lot more reactions than are reported.
That many choose not to go against the ''safe and effective'' company line and just say it's not the vax.

Medical exemptions are hard to get to.
If you can't get it the proof from a DR the claim won't be paid.

Anyway i hope I'm wrong and it's transparent and easy if people need reimbursement.

Ahh so it's all based on heresay. Got ya.

 

[Roby]

Bloody good on him, made a choice, standing by it, doesn't want be forced into getting vaccinated.

I guess his job wasn't that necessary.

 

[fixxxer]

Mate I was double vaccinated in September. 6 weeks later I was in hospital with covid. I couldn't breathe on my own, I developed pneumonia, still suffering with side effects to this very day. I was told my the doctors that I could potentially die from my condition.

I am in my 20s, zero underlying health conditions. Tell me how good this vaccine is?

Before you say imagine I wasn't double jabbed, I have heard it all before.

Height and weight?

 

[freddy mercury]

So the Vax straight out saved your life?

How do you know it did? How does anyone? Why did I get it so bad if it significantly lowers your chances of getting really unwell and contracting it.

 

[TheKanga]

Ahh so it's all based on heresay. Got ya.

Employers should have to pay as well.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

Good luck suing the Government for Covid vaccine adverse reactions lol you must be delusional.....

 

[fixxxer]

Good luck suing the Government for Covid vaccine adverse reactions lol you must be delusional.....

Yeah what a flipping joke. I wonder what their dollar value is on a lost life.

 

[Gruffles]

Employers should have to pay as well.

The government payment covers lost wages, so if the employer paid then that part of the government payment would just disappear. Either way, the person gets paid.

 

[freddy mercury]

Good luck suing the Government for Covid vaccine adverse reactions lol you must be delusional.....

Reckon they care if you die or have a really bad reaction to it? All you'll get from them is our thoughts go out to those impacted. Then immediately on to bashing the vaccine down people's throats.

 

[TheKanga]

Why do vaccine obsessed people always quote Polio vaccine as some sort of perfection created by science? You might want to read up on the development of it, which started in 1930 and was introduced in early 1950's and subsequently "perfected" over the next 30 years.

Oh and only just recently, oral version was actually giving children the virus.

Obviously these scientists and big pharma aren't out there to kill us on purpose, but we still don't to just blindly trust them.

They have fuc*** us MANY times and the next big drug or vaccine that kills thousands is only just around the corner.

Yep an easy google search of the biggest fine paid in history

Google Search

www.google.com

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

I'm sorry if it's already been discussed and known.

But, do we know why LJ has decided to retire and/or not take the COVID19 vaccination? And also, is there any reason (medical or otherwise) that a player can refuse the vaccination, and still continue their AFL playing career?

No doctors are willing to give exemptions because the health department will raid their office the next day.. already happening

 

[bing181]

Why do vaccine obsessed people always quote Polio vaccine as some sort of perfection created by science? You might want to read up on the development of it, which started in 1930 and was introduced in early 1950's and subsequently "perfected" over the next 30 years.

Too difficult to follow a conversation/thread? Here's the specific claim I replied to:

"Vaccines normally take 7 years minimum and usually 10+ years to go through all the safety checks."

Polio went from wide-scale trial to approval and into arms in less than a year.

End of.

 

[Sir_Loin]

How do you know it did? How does anyone? Why did I get it so bad if it significantly lowers your chances of getting really unwell and contracting it.

what do you think of the fact that you were actually able to get care in the first place? Do you realise it was because we have capacity in our hospitals due to the unusually high levels of vax rates? The vax saved your life either directly, indirectly and/or most probably both.

 

[Gruffles]

Good luck suing the Government for Covid vaccine adverse reactions lol you must be delusional.....

Why sue them when you can go through the claim process?