Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Blackhawk42]

There's your answer right there. In reality, anything contagious like flu, COVID, gastro, etc and players should not be around the rest of the group until they are no longer contagious. It's not hard, but it's become (or at least had become, prior to COVID) more acceptable to just rock up to work when you've got a cold, without concern for those around you.

Is that going to be our future though? I still haven't seen anything to suggest that 7 or 14 day mandatory home isolation will ever be going away. Personally i'm far more anxious about being locked inside my house for that long than I am about catching the virus.

From a societal point of view, it just feels like such a compromised way of 'living with it' if you are forced into isolation even if you are vaccinated and asymptomatic.

 

[faible]

Is that going to be our future though? I still haven't seen anything to suggest that 7 or 14 day mandatory home isolation will ever be going away. Personally i'm far more anxious about being locked inside my house for that long than I am about catching the virus.

From a societal point of view, it just feels like such a compromised way of 'living with it' if you are forced into isolation even if you are vaccinated and asymptomatic.

We're still in the exit-phase of this pandemic. We don't really know yet what the pressures on the health system will be like over the next 6 - 12 months.

If it starts to fall over, we have problems. If it's fine, and it's basically an endemic virus like influenza now is, they might be able to use annual boosters for the higher risk categories like they do the flu to manage it ongoing without life being overly impacted.

Some more awareness of staying home when unwell and such might come from this, which isn't the worst outcome.

 

[Stevi_Tigers]

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Won’t put vaccine in his body yet happy to snort any substance on a night out seems legit

 

[slashin_velvet]

I disagree.

Eg seat belts.

You mean Sheep Belts?

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

i'm far more anxious about being locked inside my house for that long than I am about catching the virus

That's concerning in its own right.

Is that going to be our future though? I still haven't seen anything to suggest that 7 or 14 day mandatory home isolation will ever be going away. Personally i'm far more anxious about being locked inside my house for that long than I am about catching the virus.

From a societal point of view, it just feels like such a compromised way of 'living with it' if you are forced into isolation even if you are vaccinated and asymptomatic.

I've seen nothing to suggest that it WON'T go away (isolation that is).
Not sure why you would be getting tested if you were asymptomatic? I also thought that asymptomatic people didn't spread the virus? That was certainly the argument early days, but have to admit that I haven't really heard much about it for quite a while, so maybe that's changed.

 

[Shooter#17]

Good hope he sticks to his guns, forced vaccinations for something that evolves as quickly as Covid and is basically harmless to the majority of the population, should never be coerced onto people, there's a reason why so many in the medical industry are avoiding it, the numbers with adverse reactions is staggering but its all kept quiet due to gag orders.
Enough of the authoritarianism where the unvaccinated must protect the vaccinated by getting vaccinated with the same vaccine that doesn't protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated until they are vaccinated against the unvaccinated. Yep that's the logic all you muppet anti choices are peddling out.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Believes in being unemployed, unable to go to the local supermarket, pub or fly on a plane.
At least he's allowed to bum out on his couch in a home detention situation.

He can still go to the local supermarket but he wont be able to get a job there without getting vaxxed and if you were going to get vaxxed for a job it would be much smarter to do it for the high paying AFL one.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

And yet Austism rates around the world increasing expediently in line with increased vaccine use over the last 50 years.

Actually they increased because of increased understanding of the spectrum and the ability to actually diagnose it early. People that like to believe it was vaccines that cause autism do so because it is more comforting to have something to blame other than the reality that it is almost certainly just genetic and environmental factors at play.

Correlation does not imply causation. Unfortunately ASD tends to become diagnosable at the same time that a child typically receives some of their vaccinations. But then children also get vaccines at many different occasions.

The study that linked them was so shoddy that it was labelled fraud and eventually retracted with the head researchers having their medical licence revoked partly because of how flawed the study was and how it was funded.

 

[Registered User]

Sam McClure just said on 3aw that it is Liam Jones

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[Toump Ass]

Good hope he sticks to his guns, forced vaccinations for something that evolves as quickly as Covid and is basically harmless to the majority of the population, should never be coerced onto people, there's a reason why so many in the medical industry are avoiding it, the numbers with adverse reactions is staggering but its all kept quiet due to gag orders.

Who in the medical industry are avoiding the jab? Do you mean the hundred odd nurses in SA?

As for the "staggering" amount of people with adverse reactions- if there were gag orders preventing it from coming out, how would you know about it?

Pretty much everyone I know has had at least one jab, and I'm the only person who has had an adverse reaction. And that's because of a pre-existing medical condition I didn't know about it. FWIW I'm fine now. Never felt better!

 

[Ice-Wolf]

the weed I was smoking

Maybe it was that.

 

[Toump Ass]

Maybe it was that.

I know right?

Joints are so good tho. I got a decent vape but it's just not the same

 

[Toump Ass]

Sam McClure just said on 3aw that it is Liam Jones

Excellent. He'll be hard to replace.

Stick to your guns Liam!!!

 

[bing181]

We do not know the long-term side effects of these vaccines.

Oh FFS. We do, because adverse reactions only ever occur within a few days or weeks of vaccination. For all vaccines and since we've had vaccines.

If you're going to put up this kind of conspiracy theory BS, at least learn how vaccines work first.

 

[The 747]

Good hope he sticks to his guns, forced vaccinations for something that evolves as quickly as Covid and is basically harmless to the majority of the population, should never be coerced onto people, there's a reason why so many in the medical industry are avoiding it, the numbers with adverse reactions is staggering but its all kept quiet due to gag orders.
Enough of the authoritarianism where the unvaccinated must protect the vaccinated by getting vaccinated with the same vaccine that doesn't protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated until they are vaccinated against the unvaccinated. Yep that's the logic all you muppet anti choices are peddling out.

I have never heard of a worldwide gag order before, how exactly does that work?

 

[Anja_Nees]

Sam McClure just said on 3aw that it is Liam Jones

Oh well, we just gave Carlton another out of favour tall defender to replace him, and this one’s vaxxed. Here’s to a solid career Jonesy!

 

[FrankGrimes]

I have never heard of a worldwide gag order before, how exactly does that work?

It means the government creates a squid games style tournament and kills 99% of them.. wake up shepple

 

[Toump Ass]

Wait a second, I had adverse reactions why didn't some man in black come tell me to shut about it. I've even been posting about it on bigfooty.

 

[radiojake]

I was hoping it was Cerra so bad for the lols

 

[Bulldogs85]

Excellent. He'll be hard to replace.

Stick to your guns Liam!!!

They do have Lewis Young

 

[Shooter#17]

Who in the medical industry are avoiding the jab? Do you mean the hundred odd nurses in SA?

As for the "staggering" amount of people with adverse reactions- if there were gag orders preventing it from coming out, how would you know about it?

Pretty much everyone I know has had at least one jab, and I'm the only person who has had an adverse reaction. And that's because of a pre-existing medical condition I didn't know about it. FWIW I'm fine now. Never felt better!

My business works directly with medical specialists, there are loads whether you want to believe it or not is up to you.
Deni Varnhagen has flat out refused it and she's am ICU nurse, if the virus was as severe as reported and the vax as effective then ICU nurses would be the last you need to convince.
It's not hard to look through the smokescreen.

 

[Shooter#17]

I have never heard of a worldwide gag order before, how exactly does that work?

Your lack of awareness is of no concern to me pal.

 

[1990crow]

Sam McClure just said on 3aw that it is Liam Jones

Poor Carlton. Curnow finally comes good from injury, they get Cerra to aid the midfield.. finals beckon..

Liam Jones decides he's better than everyone else at the club and elects to leave.

 

[The 747]

Your lack of awareness is of no concern to me pal.

You mean you can't explain it because you just made it up, pal.

 

[bing181]

Actually they increased because of increased understanding of the spectrum and the ability to actually diagnose it early.

Non-football topic response: That accounts for a comparatively small number of cases in very young children, but for the most part it's the reverse. Autism was always diagnosed in children, what changed in the 90's was the understanding that autism existed across all age groups. Up until then, there was no autism diagnosis even for teenagers, yet alone adults. There were also changes in the diagnostic criteria, especially around speech delay. This explains the "late diagnosis" that we see so much of. They're people who are now eligible for a diagnosis but as children didn't fit the much stricter criteria being applied up until the late 90's (and beyond). One of the ongoing consequences is that the vast majority of adult autists don't have a diagnosis and don't know they're autistic.