Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Slippery Pete]

'Trolling' by echoing the majority sentiment in this thread?

Liam Jones is refusing to do what the government and big pharmaceutical companies are telling him to do.

He seems to think it is his body, his choice.

That kind of selfishness deserves to be punished by loss of his livelihood.

Jones is just showing a blatant disrespect to all the AFL players who have died of COVID.

 

[Hakim]

Interesting perspective on the use of the word selfish

Ironically the non-vaxxed will get the benefit of living in a largely vaccinated society but don't put in their share

those who have had covid and recovered with antibodies are in the best position. Why aren’t they doing blood tests for the vaxxed. Because they have little antibodies and especially with AZ they all disappeaR after 6 months

 

[radiojake]

those who have had covid and recovered with antibodies are in the best position. Why aren’t they doing blood tests for the vaxxed

I don't think anyone has tried to claim anything otherwise - ofcourse those who have got it and recovered would have more antibodies than most - however it's a pretty risky plan and lots more people will die or have bad reactions to the actual virus than the vaccine

what are the blood tests you are talking about?

 

[theyellowsash]

'Trolling' by echoing the majority sentiment in this thread?

Liam Jones is refusing to do what the government and big pharmaceutical companies are telling him to do.

He seems to think it is his body, his choice.

That kind of selfishness deserves to be punished by loss of his livelihood.

yeah totally not trolling.

you do realise youre a known troll, right? im assuming yes.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

How many doctors/nurses across the country have refused vaccination? I'm assuming it's an astoundingly low number.

The only ones i know of appear on the Avi Yemeni youtube channel.

 

[Hakim]

I don't think anyone has tried to claim anything otherwise - ofcourse those who have got it and recovered would have more antibodies than most - however it's a pretty risky plan and lots more people will die or have bad reactions to the actual virus than the vaccine

what are the blood tests you are talking about?

If you went to a doctor and asked for a blood test to prove your immunity and antibody level for covid they’d deny it. They’ve stopped doing this on the advice of ATAGI. So what are they trying to hide ?

 

[Hakim]

No one has taken away his right to choose.

yes they have and this is what you don’t understand. Most people didn’t have a choice.
When you have a mortgage, career, a job and it’s all on the line what else are you supposed to do. That’s not consent it’s coercion. Those people are forced into getting the jab or they lose everything.

There isn’t a choice with these jabs. It’s ****en coercion and to push the government bullish of get the jab and you’ll rejoin society is ****en straw man and stupid argument. It’s like saying take this mdma tablet and you’ll rejoin the boys. **** off. Give me a choice but don’t punish me for my choice

 

[Mofra]

It's almost like... choices have consequences.

 

[T2B_]

yes they have and this is what you don’t understand. Most people didn’t have a choice.
When you have a mortgage, career, a job and it’s all on the line what else are you supposed to do. That’s not consent it’s coercion. Those people are forced into getting the jab or they lose everything.

Fair point.

(I'm vaxxed, before any of the rabid mob start thinking I'm anti-vax or whatever label they want to throw around)

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

We are fast approaching a world where people themselves are policing the mandates.

Lets hope it doesn't come to Vaccinated/un-vaccinated can no longer co-exist?

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is receiving for a personal choice its heading towards past eras where i thought humanity had progressed.

 

[Sir_Loin]

If you went to a doctor and asked for a blood test to prove your immunity and antibody level for covid they’d deny it. They’ve stopped doing this on the advice of ATAGI. So what are they trying to hide ?

the 5G microchips of course

 

[H00t]

those who have had covid and recovered with antibodies are in the best position. Why aren’t they doing blood tests for the vaxxed. Because they have little antibodies and especially with AZ they all disappeaR after 6 months

If you spent 2 seconds googling you would know that antibody levels have been much higher across the board with the vaccine than regards to just getting COVID. Levels of antibodies after covid infection varied wildly between people tested. But after the vaccine was high.

You are better protected after the vaccine hence the recommendation to still get the Vaccine even if you get Covid.

 

[Hakim]

If you spent 2 seconds googling you would know that antibody levels have been much higher across the board with the vaccine than regards to just getting COVID. Levels of antibodies after covid infection varied wildly between people tested. But after the vaccine was high.

You are better protected after the vaccine hence the recommendation to still get the Vaccine even if you get Covid.

Disagree and theres plenty of evidence to prove so. The vax might give you a bit of protection for 6 months but after that it's gone.
The Lancet doesn't recommend the boosters either hmmmmmm i wonder why

 

[radiojake]

The Lancet doesn't recommend the boosters either hmmmmmm i wonder why

do they reccomend the vaccine?

only just noticed you joined today - what a muppet creating a new acct just to have a whinge

 

[Hakim]

do they reccomend the vaccine?

only just noticed you joined today - what a muppet creating a new acct just to have a whinge

the lancet well respected journal and championed by the left actually only reccomend one of the covid jabs and say the second shot is redundent in a lot of cases.

And rightly so I am having a whinge. The tyranny going on is disgraceful and you're a pawn of the government for pushing this bs

 

[H00t]

If you went to a doctor and asked for a blood test to prove your immunity and antibody level for covid they’d deny it. They’ve stopped doing this on the advice of ATAGI. So what are they trying to hide ?

Because they haven’t been able to work out what exact levels provide immunity. Higher levels are better but a cut off point hasn’t been determined especially because it can be different for different people.

Antibodies can prove if you’ve had it. But they aren’t recommended because the data around them isn’t fully known yet and people are liable to use the info to not protect themselves as well as they should.

 

[Mofra]

the lancet well respected journal and championed by the left actually only reccomend one of the covid jabs and say the second shot is redundent in a lot of cases.

And rightly so I am having a whinge. The tyranny going on is disgraceful and you're a pawn of the government for pushing this bs

Hogwash.

Boosters appear effective, but are they always needed?

High efficacy rates of the mRNA vaccines against symptomatic COVID-19, reported from clinical trials, kindled hope that they would prevent all infections caused by SARS-CoV-2. Currently approved vaccines provide high levels of protection against serious illness, but do not confer mucosal...

www.thelancet.com

In a well designed study using clinically relevant endpoints, the authors report a 85% reduction (95% CI 73–94) in the incidence of COVID-19-related admission to hospital, 76% reduction (49–94) in severe disease, and 94% reduction (72–100) in COVID-19-related deaths, when the three-dose group was compared to the two-dose group. Israel, with its brisk adult immunisation programme and robust data linkages, offered an excellent study population.

Such observational studies need to account for the influence of confounding variables. The authors are confident that the benefit of the third dose is real, as observed in the adjusted analysis.

Effectiveness of a third dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine for preventing severe outcomes in Israel: an observational study

Our findings suggest that a third dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine is effective in protecting individuals against severe COVID-19-related outcomes, compared with receiving only two doses at least 5 months ago.

www.thelancet.com

.Findings
1 158 269 individuals were eligible to be included in the third dose group. Following matching, the third dose and control groups each included 728 321 individuals. Participants had a median age of 52 years (IQR 37–68) and 51% were female. The median follow-up time was 13 days (IQR 6–21) in both groups. Vaccine effectiveness evaluated at least 7 days after receipt of the third dose, compared with receiving only two doses at least 5 months ago, was estimated to be 93% (231 events for two doses vs 29 events for three doses; 95% CI 88–97) for admission to hospital, 92% (157 vs 17 events; 82–97) for severe disease, and 81% (44 vs seven events; 59–97) for COVID-19-related death.
Interpretation
Our findings suggest that a third dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine is effective in protecting individuals against severe COVID-19-related outcomes, compared with receiving only two doses at least 5 months ago.

 

[Hakim]

Because they haven’t been able to work out what exact levels provide immunity. Higher levels are better but a cut off point hasn’t been determined especially because it can be different for different people.

Antibodies can prove if you’ve had it. But they aren’t recommended because the data around them isn’t fully known yet and people are liable to use the info to not protect themselves as well as they should.

So you've just admitted we don't know the data. That's called an experimental vaccine.
Do you expect people to put a jab in their arm and system when there isn't even data to prove how effective and what antibodies level they create. Based off your argument it'd be a big risk to get the jab and hence why a lot of people would be hesitant like Jones. But oh well most put the thing in their system against their will because of a tyranical government coercing them.

 

[radiojake]

the lancet well respected journal and championed by the left actually only reccomend one of the covid jabs and say the second shot is redundent in a lot of cases.

And rightly so I am having a whinge. The tyranny going on is disgraceful and you're a pawn of the government for pushing this bs

what's your solution? the gummit didn't start a worldwide pandemic

 

[faible]

the lancet well respected journal and championed by the left actually only reccomend one of the covid jabs and say the second shot is redundent in a lot of cases.

And rightly so I am having a whinge. The tyranny going on is disgraceful and you're a pawn of the government for pushing this bs

Since when is The Lancet providing recommendations?

 

[H00t]

Disagree and theres plenty of evidence to prove so. The vax might give you a bit of protection for 6 months but after that it's gone.
The Lancet doesn't recommend the boosters either hmmmmmm i wonder why

Right so I’ve read two Lancet articles from google. One has findings that showed that having the booster was more effective at stopping severe outcomes.

The second one I read mentioned hesitancy around providing a booster before everyone else had been vaccinated first. As getting first doses are more important than third. Nothing about not getting a booster.

It seems you might be reading things very selectively.

 

[radiojake]

The second one I read mentioned hesitancy around providing a booster before everyone else had been vaccinated first. As getting first doses are more important than third. Nothing about not getting a booster.

It seems you might be reading things very selectively.

haha that's fantastic - thanks for pointing out his horseshit

 

[Hakim]

Hogwash.

Boosters appear effective, but are they always needed?

High efficacy rates of the mRNA vaccines against symptomatic COVID-19, reported from clinical trials, kindled hope that they would prevent all infections caused by SARS-CoV-2. Currently approved vaccines provide high levels of protection against serious illness, but do not confer mucosal...

www.thelancet.com

Effectiveness of a third dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine for preventing severe outcomes in Israel: an observational study

Our findings suggest that a third dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine is effective in protecting individuals against severe COVID-19-related outcomes, compared with receiving only two doses at least 5 months ago.

www.thelancet.com

the lancet as a whole is against the boosters. What you have just done is used a google search engine. Big mistake, they censor everything

 

[radiojake]

start properly giving people treatment. Start actually saving lives.
Start using hmmmm ivermectin. Pfizers new pills are basically ivermectin but not as strong. Hmmmmm

the idea that a ready made treatment was available the whole flipping time but every govt and medical science team on the planet has willfully ignored or refused to use it is so absurdly ludicrious that it is beyond belief

 

[Lebbo73]

They can make their own choice for themselves, they certainly wouldn't be considered a high risk group for either contracting or having a serious case of covid-19 given the elite physical condition AFL players are in and the bubble the AFL requires them to exist within when there is a risk of games not being played due to exposures forcing isolation.

There are quite a number of AFLW players "taking time away from football" this season too.

I'm sure the AFL is working to ensure a positive outcome in the media for the league.

Geez, the AFLW can’t afford to lose any decent players as the talent pool is poor as it is.