Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Islanda22]

You think Jones' being of Indigenous heritege would understand the importance of being vaccinated to protect communities in Australia

Mind boggling

 

[Sir_Loin]

It's like how Ivermectin works in vitro. At doses toxic to humans. But in the real world, that's not helpful.

could be very useful. If the anti-vaxers want to use ivermectin over the vaccine we should respect their pro-choice views

 

[MisterMarcus]

You think Jones' being of Indigenous heritege would understand the importance of being vaccinated to protect communities in Australia

Mind boggling

I remember reading stories that Indigenous communities were struggling with antivax crackpots and nutters of all stripes, telling them vaccines were a racist plot or offensive to the Dreamtime spirits or god-knows-what.

I wonder if LJ has been influenced by this sort of stuff?

 

[Forward Press]

I remember reading stories that Indigenous communities were struggling with antivax crackpots and nutters of all stripes, telling them vaccines were a racist plot or offensive to the Dreamtime spirits or god-knows-what.

I wonder if LJ has been influenced by this sort of stuff?

Indigenous communities also - understandably - have a long-held distrust of governments coming in and telling them what to do.

For that reason I think vaccination rates amongst indigenous people in regional and remote areas will always remain low.

 

[Islanda22]

I remember reading stories that Indigenous communities were struggling with antivax crackpots and nutters of all stripes, telling them vaccines were a racist plot or offensive to the Dreamtime spirits or god-knows-what.

I wonder if LJ has been influenced by this sort of stuff?

Possibly but in the case no

Indigenous communities also - understandably - have a long-held distrust of governments coming in and telling them what to do.

For that reason I think vaccination rates amongst indigenous people in regional and remote areas will always remain low.

In the NT , vaccination rate is around 15% in the Communities

 

[Better Loosen Up]

His body his choice

And with every choice we make comes consequences...

 

[Jcpdragonx]

Its unsurprising to see the amount of people who cannot think for themself when it comes to the mandate with the push from the media and politians. Anti mandate does not mean anti vax, yet he's constatly labeled here as anti vax. Whether he is or isnt is besides the point til we know.

People judge without knowing the reasoning behind his decision thus far. He might have a good reason, such as being immunocomromised due to a chronic diseass or condition, or have a history of heart issues in the family. Unfortunately the exemption criteria doesnt care, basically is myocarditis or get the jab if you want to keep your job. Sam Docherty

15

Sam Docherty

Age

32

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

15.1

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

476.4

5star

D

22.6

5star

K

16.0

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

0.6

1star

MG

476.4

5star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

, immunocompromised, has an adverse reaction. My family has a history of heart issues, and low and behold I have 2 cousins in ICU, one kept alive by a machine and placed in an induced coma for 4 dqys, now with 3 months of rehab ahead of him. Nah bro just get the jab ya selfish twat. There's no data recorded on post mRNA shot patients admitted to hospital, but they are counted for covid. So for my familys own sake, we will look to the Novavax pending trials. I also know another 2 people, one with heart issues, the other unsure, who we're hospitalised. Now obviously majority of people wont have adverse serious reactions and are fine for the vax, but some niche cases are put in a rough spot when they need to choose between their job and risking a serious adverse reaction.

And we all know, Pfizer does not care about your health and safety. Not only did they recieve the largest criminal fine in history for a business, but just this week they're being investigated by the TGA for falisfied safety data.

 

[Gruffles]

And we all know, Pfizer does not care about your health and safety. Not only did they recieve the largest criminal fine in history for a business, but just this week they're being investigated by the TGA for falisfied safety data.

Just to clarify on this point... Ventavia are being investigated, a contractor used by Pfizer, not Pfizer. Also "falsified" safety data is a little bit of a misrepresentation of what they are being investigated for.

 

[applesyrup]

How’s COVID going in Adelaide?
There has been 982 cases in south Australia. So a S.A nurse might not be the best judge of how severe COVID can be.

Just to confirm this - the Royal Adelaide has been the hospital for all COVID cases in South Australia except for children (Women’s and Children’s Hospital) and pregnant women (Flinders Medical Centre). Deni has been working at Flinders in ICU and we haven’t had any obstetric COVID cases so I can confirm she would not have seen one mild case of COVID, let alone any severe cases.

 

[MightyBlue]

The AFL have the choice to not let him play too. Works both ways. Good on the AFL for mandating it. That doesn't mean Jones has to do it but there are consequences if he doesn't.

This should be a sticky at the top of the thread

 

[brovedm]

Its unsurprising to see the amount of people who cannot think for themself when it comes to the mandate with the push from the media and politians. Anti mandate does not mean anti vax, yet he's constatly labeled here as anti vax. Whether he is or isnt is besides the point til we know.

People judge without knowing the reasoning behind his decision thus far. He might have a good reason, such as being immunocomromised due to a chronic diseass or condition, or have a history of heart issues in the family. Unfortunately the exemption criteria doesnt care, basically is myocarditis or get the jab if you want to keep your job. Sam Docherty, immunocompromised, has an adverse reaction. My family has a history of heart issues, and low and behold I have 2 cousins in ICU, one kept alive by a machine and placed in an induced coma for 4 dqys, now with 3 months of rehab ahead of him. Nah bro just get the jab ya selfish twat. There's no data recorded on post mRNA shot patients admitted to hospoital, but they are counted for covid. So for my familys own sake, we will look to the Novavax pending trials. I also know another 2 people, one with heart issues, the other unsure, who we're hospitalised. Now obviously majority of people wont have adverse serious reactions and are fine for the vax, but some niche cases are put in a rough spot when they need to choose between their job and risking a serious adverse reaction.

And we all know, Pfizer does not care about your health and safety. Not only did they recieve the largest criminal fine in history for a business, but just this week they're being investigated by the TGA for falisfied safety data.

So sorry to hear about your cousins mate, hope everything turns out well for them. If only some people on this forum understood why some people are so hesitant to get the jab this is one of those instances. No doubt they’ll say “gEt VaCcInAtEd” some people just don’t want to play Russian roulette. I had both my shots and I was lucky didn’t even have a sore arm or anything. But I have absolutely nothing against people who don’t want to get the jab and I totally understand why you wouldn’t want to get it

 

[faible]

Its unsurprising to see the amount of people who cannot think for themself when it comes to the mandate with the push from the media and politians. Anti mandate does not mean anti vax, yet he's constatly labeled here as anti vax. Whether he is or isnt is besides the point til we know.

People judge without knowing the reasoning behind his decision thus far. He might have a good reason, such as being immunocomromised due to a chronic diseass or condition, or have a history of heart issues in the family. Unfortunately the exemption criteria doesnt care, basically is myocarditis or get the jab if you want to keep your job. Sam Docherty, immunocompromised, has an adverse reaction. My family has a history of heart issues, and low and behold I have 2 cousins in ICU, one kept alive by a machine and placed in an induced coma for 4 dqys, now with 3 months of rehab ahead of him. Nah bro just get the jab ya selfish twat. There's no data recorded on post mRNA shot patients admitted to hospoital, but they are counted for covid. So for my familys own sake, we will look to the Novavax pending trials. I also know another 2 people, one with heart issues, the other unsure, who we're hospitalised. Now obviously majority of people wont have adverse serious reactions and are fine for the vax, but some niche cases are put in a rough spot when they need to choose between their job and risking a serious adverse reaction.

And we all know, Pfizer does not care about your health and safety. Not only did they recieve the largest criminal fine in history for a business, but just this week they're being investigated by the TGA for falisfied safety data.

Methinks you didn’t read the Public Health Order.

 

[parsons nose]

So sorry to hear about your cousins mate, hope everything turns out well for them. If only some people on this forum understood why some people are so hesitant to get the jab this is one of those instances. No doubt they’ll say “gEt VaCcInAtEd” some people just don’t want to play Russian roulette. I had both my shots and I was lucky didn’t even have a sore arm or anything. But I have absolutely nothing against people who don’t want to get the jab and I totally understand why you wouldn’t want to get it

Those refusing the jab are also playing Russian roulette, but with many more bullets in the chamber.

 

[bing181]

Since when is The Lancet providing recommendations?

Don't bother, he doesn't even understand what the Lancent is - or any medical journal for that matter.

Probably a bit like Liam Jones.

 

[bzparkes]

Since when is The Lancet providing recommendations?

Since someone posted a photo-shopped pic of it on Facebook and the nuffs believed it was real.

 

[bzparkes]

remember they ordered ventilators. Then they realised ventilators were blowing up people's lungs and were exacerbating everything when they ended up in hospital. How about give their citizens Vitamin c, d, zinc and quercetin to make their immune systems stronger. Other countries have done that to success. Australia cant

Jesus, imagine being this far down the rabbit hole...

 

[JackSam]

There are projections made into the future from now, such as the doom and gloom when both NSW and the UK were opening up. Thankfully neither has resulted and it's just more added to the pile of worst case examples that were used to scare people and direct public policy that turned out to be rubbish. Good thing we don't base anything else important on things like that.

Now showing your true colours. Your previous effort linking refusing vax to mental illness reason is poor at best.
Your allowed to be anti vaccine, good luck pushing that in football forum.

 

[theyellowsash]

remember they ordered ventilators. Then they realised ventilators were blowing up people's lungs and were exacerbating everything when they ended up in hospital. How about give their citizens Vitamin c, d, zinc and quercetin to make their immune systems stronger. Other countries have done that to success. Australia cant

Its like you dont realise that simply giving people vitamins when they're already sick does absolutely nothing....

 

[parsons nose]

Its like you dont realise that simply giving people vitamins when they're already sick does absolutely nothing....

I think he’s referring to the placebo effect

 

[MightyBlue]

Its unsurprising to see the amount of people who cannot think for themself when it comes to the mandate with the push from the media and politians. Anti mandate does not mean anti vax, yet he's constatly labeled here as anti vax. Whether he is or isnt is besides the point til we know.

People judge without knowing the reasoning behind his decision thus far. He might have a good reason, such as being immunocomromised due to a chronic diseass or condition, or have a history of heart issues in the family. Unfortunately the exemption criteria doesnt care, basically is myocarditis or get the jab if you want to keep your job. Sam Docherty, immunocompromised, has an adverse reaction. My family has a history of heart issues, and low and behold I have 2 cousins in ICU, one kept alive by a machine and placed in an induced coma for 4 dqys, now with 3 months of rehab ahead of him. Nah bro just get the jab ya selfish twat. There's no data recorded on post mRNA shot patients admitted to hospital, but they are counted for covid. So for my familys own sake, we will look to the Novavax pending trials. I also know another 2 people, one with heart issues, the other unsure, who we're hospitalised. Now obviously majority of people wont have adverse serious reactions and are fine for the vax, but some niche cases are put in a rough spot when they need to choose between their job and risking a serious adverse reaction.

Sorry to hear about your family's adverse reactions, hope everyone recovered ok. This is kinda the point behind herd immunity, everyone that can get vaccinated should in order to protect those who can't.

Also worth noting that the ALF's policy allows for medical exemptions, so don't think it applies in this case.

 

[JackSam]

There are projections made into the future from now, such as the doom and gloom when both NSW and the UK were opening up. Thankfully neither has resulted and it's just more added to the pile of worst case examples that were used to scare people and direct public policy that turned out to be rubbish. Good thing we don't base anything else important on things like that.

Now showing your true colours. Your previous effort linking refusing vax to mental illness reason is poor at best.
Your allowed to be anti vaccine, good luck pushing that in football forum

 

[Bombermania]

Proud of Jones for standing up for his belief. The fact these jabs are mandatory and people actually have the nerve to push these mandatory vax is a disgrace.

Get vaccinated but don’t force others to get the jab and ridicule them for their decision. What has happened to society fu** me. Do you who push mandatory vax want to create segregation and a second class society. That’s the way it’s going and it’s thank you selfish twats like you. A fair portion of society didn’t want to get the jab but our governments forced their hand by making their jobs on the line. And you think that is ok. The 57% who voted for mandatory vax, you should be ashamed with yourself.

Let people have a choice in life.

Not ashamed in the slighted.

We dodged a bullet with how minor this virus has been but it could mutate into something far worst.

 

[Bombermania]

Its unsurprising to see the amount of people who cannot think for themself when it comes to the mandate with the push from the media and politians. Anti mandate does not mean anti vax, yet he's constatly labeled here as anti vax. Whether he is or isnt is besides the point til we know.

People judge without knowing the reasoning behind his decision thus far. He might have a good reason, such as being immunocomromised due to a chronic diseass or condition, or have a history of heart issues in the family. Unfortunately the exemption criteria doesnt care, basically is myocarditis or get the jab if you want to keep your job. Sam Docherty, immunocompromised, has an adverse reaction. My family has a history of heart issues, and low and behold I have 2 cousins in ICU, one kept alive by a machine and placed in an induced coma for 4 dqys, now with 3 months of rehab ahead of him. Nah bro just get the jab ya selfish twat. There's no data recorded on post mRNA shot patients admitted to hospital, but they are counted for covid. So for my familys own sake, we will look to the Novavax pending trials. I also know another 2 people, one with heart issues, the other unsure, who we're hospitalised. Now obviously majority of people wont have adverse serious reactions and are fine for the vax, but some niche cases are put in a rough spot when they need to choose between their job and risking a serious adverse reaction.

And we all know, Pfizer does not care about your health and safety. Not only did they recieve the largest criminal fine in history for a business, but just this week they're being investigated by the TGA for falisfied safety data.

There is a difference between questioning the health affects of the vaccine and being a conspiracy anti-vaxxer.

 

[My Tilly]

Not ashamed in the slighted.

We dodged a bullet with how minor this virus has been but it could mutate into something far worst.

Vaccines were never going to be a pathway out of this. Many still assume they are. Slacking off on hygiene safety as well.
After that 3rd or 4th booster shot, cases will be just as high as what they were last year. Hopefully the death rate has plateaued.

There was a reason why dictator Dan wants that bill to pass. Lockdowns are coming again.

 

[faible]

Vaccines were never going to be a pathway out of this. Many still assume they are. Slacking off on hygiene safety as well.
After that 3rd or 4th booster shot, cases will be just as high as what they were last year. Hopefully the death rate has plateaued.

Still no evidence provided.