Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Gruffles]

No one's said Molnupiravir was similar to IVM.[/I]

I never said they did. There have been comments about Pfizer's tablet (Paxlovid) being repurposed Ivermectin though. I included Molnupiravir for interests sake and to show that all 3 are very different from each other.

As I mentioned in my original post, I also found it interesting that Merck are spending funds on developing Molnupiravir when many think they have a perfectly viable treatment in Ivermectin. And, as you pointed out in your post, developing the drug is not an easy task with the trialing attached to it, and therefore these funds that they are spending are likely to be a significant amount.

 

[Chat Pile]

Man, I can't wait for the moment when we don't have to hear vax, virus, covid, Pfizer blahblahblah again. I'd rather be face ****ed through the eye sockets than have another year of this talk.

 

[kingswood71]

Maybe. Moderna was not long approved and already a 14 girl has died of ventricular fibrillation, reported on 20th October 2021

I tried to find this but cant
Genuinely interested in reading the report if you can link it please.

 

[Shadow89]

I actually have an auto-immune condition and compromised lung function from a pretty bad injury - so I was scared for my own safety and got vaccinated.

But that doesn't mean everyone else needs to, I've done what I needed to in order to protect myself regardless of what action the rest of the world did or didn't take.

And covid-19 is very much like the other respiratory diseases in that people who are in terrible shape or already carrying a burden of an existing disease will be taken by it but almost everyone else won't.

When we are talking about a professional athlete surrounded by other professional athletes who are majority vaccinated, in a super majority vaccinated community - I don't think we are doing anything other than social signalling by jumping on players who decide they don't need it.

Yeah see this is exactly the type of self-reinforcing commentary I'm talking about. Where is your evidence that - 'people who are in terrible shape or already carrying a burden of an existing disease will be taken by it but almost everyone else won't'?

My grandmother had no existing co-morbidities and went from healthy to dead in 3 days with this thing - before we had the luxury of a vaccine. There have been so many reports from people on their death bed who didn't believe in covid (and were very fit and healthy), begging for the vaccine and saying how sick they are.

Yet here you are acting like it's nothing, and that only people who are already sick and unhealthy get very I'll or die from this thing. So I ask again, besides your own opinion, where is your actual evidence of this?

 

[faible]

I tried to find this but cant
Genuinely interested in reading the report if you can link it please.

Had to do a fair bit of digging through the DAEN list. TGA hasn't reported it as a confirmed death that I can see.

 

[BlueE]

Data shows 17 vaccine deaths related to falls.....
15 deaths related to "decreased appetite"...Did the vaccine cause them to starve to death?
6 deaths due to "Rash"....Must have been a terribly bad rash!
And my personal favourite, 2 deaths due to back pain....This puts a whole new spin on "my back is killing me"
I guess this is why the site has written on it "An adverse event report does not mean that the medicine is the cause of the adverse event" and "Please do not make an assessment about the safety of a medicine based on the information in the DAEN - medicines."

Glad you've finally discovered the database, and while they do have the warning it doesn't mean the medicine is the cause of the adverse event, the same / same comparison of DAEN for the total of all 75 vaccines ever used in the last 50 years, with COVID vaccines DAEN reports makes an interesting comparison.

However making fun of some of the deaths is uncalled for with the difficulties in filling out the form and if you have any idea of how elderly people can die, then decreased appetite resulting in death occurs. Many people are reporting falls after the jabs, and while it seems a surprise that they were a cause of death for 17, other categories that have been reported as an adverse effect or death after all vaccines over the last 50 years, is 500 to 1000 times worse after COVID vaccines. Some are dying of reactions after vaccines never seen before!

For example increased D-dimer is an investigation showing increased blood clots, with 1161 reports and 32 deaths after COVID vaccines compared with only 3 reports and no deaths for the total 75 vaccines over 50 years.

Look at cardiac arrests which has the highest number of cardiac reports 6 deaths over the last 50 years in comparison to 162 in 7 months. Also knowing that the myocarditis reports are being reviewed, but have high incidence of heart attacks in the following years



Reports up to 14 days before report date.

 

[kingswood71]

Had to do a fair bit of digging through the DAEN list. TGA hasn't reported it as a confirmed death that I can see.

Yeah I was wanting to know if was confirmed as I havent had a TGA alert about it and something like that would usually trigger an emailed alert....

 

[BlueE]

I tried to find this but cant
Genuinely interested in reading the report if you can link it please.

I don't have access to the original report, only the DAEN notification of Moderna death from ventricular fibrillation.

 

[faible]

Glad you've finally discovered the database, and while they do have the warning it doesn't mean the medicine is the cause of the adverse event, the same / same comparison of DAEN for the total of all 75 vaccines ever used in the last 50 years, with COVID vaccines DAEN reports makes an interesting comparison.

However making fun of some of the deaths is uncalled for with the difficulties in filling out the form and if you have any idea of how elderly people can die, then decreased appetite resulting in death occurs. Many people are reporting falls after the jabs, and while it seems a surprise that they were a cause of death for 17, other categories that have been reported as an adverse effect or death after all vaccines over the last 50 years, is 500 to 1000 times worse after COVID vaccines. Some are dying of reactions after vaccines never seen before!

For example increased D-dimer is an investigation showing increased blood clots, with 1161 reports and 32 deaths after COVID vaccines compared with only 3 reports and no deaths for the previous 75 vaccines.

Look at cardiac arrests which has the highest number of cardiac reports 6 deaths over the last 50 years in comparison to 162 in 7 months. Also knowing that the myocarditis reports are being reviewed, but have high incidence of heart attacks in the following years
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You should probably have sussed out some of kingswood's previous posts before being a condescending twat.

 

[kingswood71]

Glad you've finally discovered the database, and while they do have the warning it doesn't mean the medicine is the cause of the adverse event, the same / same comparison of DAEN for the total of all 75 vaccines ever used in the last 50 years, with COVID vaccines DAEN reports makes an interesting comparison.

However making fun of some of the deaths is uncalled for with the difficulties in filling out the form and if you have any idea of how elderly people can die, then decreased appetite resulting in death occurs. Many people are reporting falls after the jabs, and while it seems a surprise that they were a cause of death for 17, other categories that have been reported as an adverse effect or death after all vaccines over the last 50 years, is 500 to 1000 times worse after COVID vaccines. Some are dying of reactions after vaccines never seen before!

For example increased D-dimer is an investigation showing increased blood clots, with 1161 reports and 32 deaths after COVID vaccines compared with only 3 reports and no deaths for the previous 75 vaccines.

Look at cardiac arrests which has the highest number of cardiac reports 6 deaths over the last 50 years in comparison to 162 in 7 months. Also knowing that the myocarditis reports are being reviewed, but have high incidence of heart attacks in the following years
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So if 80% of a population was vaccinated and some of them had AMI's, its an association, not a causation.
The other issues with these reports, is that they can be made by anyone.

 

[Gruffles]

Moderna was not long approved and already a 14 girl has died of ventricular fibrillation, reported on 20th October 2021.

Yeah I was wanting to know if was confirmed as I havent had a TGA alert about it and something like that would usually trigger an emailed alert....

I don't have access to the original report, only the DAEN notification of Moderna death from ventricular fibrillation.

And herein lies my all time greatest issue with what's going on at the moment. People are writing things as if they are fact when they currently are not. They may yet be proven true, but they currently are not.

I have no problem with this line of discussion if these people would prefix it with a minimal disclaimer of it not being a fact. This is what is creating an alternate "pandemic" in one of misinformation.

 

[H00t]

Glad you've finally discovered the database, and while they do have the warning it doesn't mean the medicine is the cause of the adverse event, the same / same comparison of DAEN for the total of all 75 vaccines ever used in the last 50 years, with COVID vaccines DAEN reports makes an interesting comparison.

However making fun of some of the deaths is uncalled for with the difficulties in filling out the form and if you have any idea of how elderly people can die, then decreased appetite resulting in death occurs. Many people are reporting falls after the jabs, and while it seems a surprise that they were a cause of death for 17, other categories that have been reported as an adverse effect or death after all vaccines over the last 50 years, is 500 to 1000 times worse after COVID vaccines. Some are dying of reactions after vaccines never seen before!

For example increased D-dimer is an investigation showing increased blood clots, with 1161 reports and 32 deaths after COVID vaccines compared with only 3 reports and no deaths for the total 75 vaccines over 50 years.

Look at cardiac arrests which has the highest number of cardiac reports 6 deaths over the last 50 years in comparison to 162 in 7 months. Also knowing that the myocarditis reports are being reviewed, but have high incidence of heart attacks in the following years
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While the number of deaths seems huge it’s important to remember that something like 9 have been linked to the COVID vaccine.

Also most vaccinations are done in young and healthy people. However with covid we’ve needed to jab everyone. When you do that, especially with number of elderly you greatly increase the chances of getting a number of deaths after the vaccine. However correlation does not always equal causation.

And the vaccine that has been been proven to be the cause of the 9 deaths (AZ) is being fazed out. AZ has saved many more lives than this.

 

[faible]

While the number of deaths seems huge it’s important to remember that something like 9 have been linked to the COVID vaccine.

Also most vaccinations are done in young and healthy people. However with covid we’ve needed to jab everyone. When you do that, especially with number of elderly you greatly increase the chances of getting a number of deaths after the vaccine. However correlation does not always equal causation.

And the vaccine that has been been proven to be causing deaths (AZ) is being fazed out.

AZ hasn't really been causing mass deaths either, to be clear.

 

[freddy mercury]

So anti Vax that I've been fully vaccinated for months

Did you know you actually can't disagree with vaccination mandates or say that you don't believe people should lose their livelihoods if they don't get vaccinated without being called an anit vaxxer. People on here have genuinely lost the plot.

 

[dopefish]

My grandmother had no existing co-morbidities and went from healthy to dead in 3 days with this thing - before we had the luxury of a vaccine.

I'm really sorry to hear this. I don't know how you stomach all the anti-vaxxer nonsense after losing a loved one to the virus - you're made of tougher stuff than me! I would have been avoiding their shit like the plague. So many of them are the most selfish, unempathetic people that you're glad you'll never have to meet.

 

[kingswood71]

And herein lies my all time greatest issue with what's going on at the moment. People are writing things as if they are fact when they currently are not. They may yet be proven true, but they currently are not.

I have no problem with this line of discussion if these people would prefix it with a minimal disclaimer of it not being a fact. This is what is creating an alternate "pandemic" in one of misinformation.

100%. I can state with all honesty and sincerity that if the TGA thinks that a 14 year old girl died from VF AND it WAS vaccine related, I would get 10 emails about it from 10 different sources, including from the TGA!!

 

[H00t]

AZ hasn't really been causing mass deaths either, to be clear.

Yeah I didn’t really make that clear in my post. Edited now.

 

[Taylor]

Where is your evidence that - 'people who are in terrible shape or already carrying a burden of an existing disease will be taken by it but almost everyone else won't'?

That would be found in the chart of deaths listing comorbidity and you'll notice that a super majority of young people who died of covid were obese.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Did you know you actually can't disagree with vaccination mandates or say that you don't believe people should lose their livelihoods if they don't get vaccinated without being called an anit vaxxer. People on here have genuinely lost the plot.

Poor didums. If there is a genuine medical exemption (and they are beyond rare) you won’t need it. Otherwise I’m over the whinging lol. In fact it’s funny with the complaints when everyone against them seems to have no issue popping every other thing into themselves lol

 

[The 747]

Man, I can't wait for the moment when we don't have to hear vax, virus, covid, Pfizer blahblahblah again. I'd rather be face f’ed through the eye sockets than have another year of this talk.

Unfortunately that isn't going to happen.

 

[H00t]

I actually have an auto-immune condition and compromised lung function from a pretty bad injury - so I was scared for my own safety and got vaccinated.

But that doesn't mean everyone else needs to, I've done what I needed to in order to protect myself regardless of what action the rest of the world did or didn't take.

And covid-19 is very much like the other respiratory diseases in that people who are in terrible shape or already carrying a burden of an existing disease will be taken by it but almost everyone else won't.

When we are talking about a professional athlete surrounded by other professional athletes who are majority vaccinated, in a super majority vaccinated community - I don't think we are doing anything other than social signalling by jumping on players who decide they don't need it.

Covid isn’t just killing people though. It’s causing a number of severe and long term issues. Plus the true damage of long covid won’t be known for a long time.

The argument that it’s such a low chance of death so I won’t get the jab because my chance of death is low doesn’t hold up. Your chance of death after the vaccine is insanely lower than that. Your chance of long term effects is insanely lower with the vaccine than covid.

Healthy AFL footballers have no health reasons to avoid the jab outside of allergic concerns.

 

[dopefish]

Man, I can't wait for the moment when we don't have to hear vax, virus, covid, Pfizer blahblahblah again. I'd rather be face f’ed through the eye sockets than have another year of this talk.

2022 is just around the corner so my sad advice would be...

 

[freddy mercury]

Poor didums. If there is a genuine medical exemption (and they are beyond rare) you won’t need it. Otherwise I’m over the whinging lol. In fact it’s funny with the complaints when everyone against them seems to have no issue popping every other thing into themselves lol

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly accurate. Everyone. Every single person.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

And herein lies my all time greatest issue with what's going on at the moment. People are writing things as if they are fact when they currently are not. They may yet be proven true, but they currently are not.

I have no problem with this line of discussion if these people would prefix it with a minimal disclaimer of it not being a fact. This is what is creating an alternate "pandemic" in one of misinformation.

And therein lies the pitfalls of deadshits 'doing their own research'.


Smart enough to type shit into Google and read it, but not equipped to understand and articulate it.

 

[Shadow89]

That would be found in the chart of deaths listing comorbidity and you'll notice that a super majority of young people who died of covid were obese.

So deaths that list comorbidities, have a lot of obese people? Well...duh? How about deaths without co-morbidities? Or how about deaths in general of healthy people. There's only so many co-morbidities that will increase your chances of getting ill - and obesity is one of them. It's no surprise that this would then lead to a higher percentage of deaths amongst people who already had underlying conditions.

What I asked for though, is the statistics that show healthy people dying vs people with obesity being the majority. The way you're wording things, and have in other threads, is to say that most healthy people won't get anything that amounts to more than a common cold. You then say that anyone who does get it that's young and healthy, is probably already obese or has underlying illnesses. I ask again, where is your evidence of that?

Do you wonder why all the covid conspiracists and anti vaxxers are all agreeing with you whenever you say these things? I'll give you a hint, it's not because they think you're pro vax.