Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Ice-Wolf]

All the club AFL doctors would've reiterated the best knowledge of epidemiologists and immunologist, the same doctors the players trust, and that's why it's not surprising the other 719 players are vaccinated.

Exactly, which is why I think he wasn't prepared to listen.

My position on this has always been if you are concerned about the vaccine talk to your GP about it don't just take my word on it or worse stuff you have found on the internet.

 

[dopefish]

So you don't think preventing thousands of deaths a year by mandating a vax is not worth it? You do realise the flu is actually just as dangerous or even more in some cases for children right? fu** the kids though they don't matter. Im trying to open your eyes to how you have created an arbitrary line where you think mandates become acceptable once a threshold of death prevention is achieved.

How did you come to that inference from what was simply just a stated fact? You anti-vaxxers are ****ed in the head.

 

[Pomsta]

Exactly, which is why I think he wasn't prepared to listen.

My position on this has always been if you are concerned about the vaccine talk to your GP about it don't just take my word on it or worse stuff you have found on the internet.

However there are still a very small percentage of medical practitioners and GPs that don't believe the vaccines are totally safe. If people go to these doctors that they trust and get advice not to take the vaccine then do you treat them differently?

Also if a player gets a medical exemption (although it doesn't seem like any do) would they still be able to play AFL?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

I remember the good old days when it was the lefties who fought for our freedom.

You actually think this is about freedumbs?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I remember the good old days when it was the lefties who fought for our freedom.

It all depends on what you think 'freedom' really looks like.

 

[kingswood71]

So you don't think preventing thousands of deaths a year by mandating a vax is not worth it? You do realise the flu is actually just as dangerous or even more in some cases for children right? fu** the kids though they don't matter. Im trying to open your eyes to how you have created an arbitrary line where you think mandates become acceptable once a threshold of death prevention is achieved.

In 2017 which was a particularly bad flu season, there were 21 deaths under aged 44.

 

[Drought Break]

Anyone got a hammer?

And spare the mental health bullshit. Jones has no concern for others with his anti-vax stance so why should his mental health be of any consideration at all?

He made his choice.

Who knows his reasons. Maybe he had a close family member who had a bad reaction. Anyway says a lot about you as a person with your comments. I see you got a few likes there as well, no surprises with the posters. Shows how divided this whole bloody saga has made us.

 

[theyellowsash]

I see you didn't answer my last question and moved on to another poster.

Why do all anti-vaxxers act in the exact same way of dodging and reposting?

Because they have no evidence to support their claims, the best they can do is avoid answering

 

[Glenn_]

Vaccinated people can still get and pass on the virus though amigo. It all sounds a little bit too conservative. At some point we need to start living with it and I guess that was my point.

Without getting into the politics of it all, NSW seem to have opted for a more balanced approach and I'd hope that the other states might follow once they get their numbers up. Who knows, you might even be able to pick Jones back up in the mid season draft.

NSW has the same legislation as what Dan Andrews is proposing in terms of how a emergency declaration is done.
Likewise what is required regarding vaccine mandates for workers in some areas.

 

[Roby]

In 2017 which was a particularly bad flu season, there were 21 deaths under aged 44.

No extended lockdowns, mask wearing, hygiene improvements and of course less than a quarter vaccinated.

 

[theyellowsash]

NSW has the same legislation as what Dan Andrews is proposing in terms of how a emergency declaration is done.
Likewise what is required regarding vaccine mandates for workers in some areas.

Nah its a labor dictatorship takeover mate. Werent you convinced of this by the guy promoting lynching at the rally yesterday?

 

[Sir_Loin]

I remember the good old days when it was the lefties who fought for our freedom.

They were ANTIFAscist

 

[Trav 20]

In 2017 which was a particularly bad flu season, there were 21 deaths under aged 44.

Indeed.

In fact there were 29,000 hospital admissions that year for influenza. There just wasn't a nightly tally on the news.

 

[Glenn_]

Nah its a labor dictatorship takeover mate. Werent you convinced of this by the guy promoting lynching at the rally yesterday?

Between that and the Trump 2020 flags, how couldn't anyone be convinced.

 

[CrippsVoss17]

So everyone who suggested COVID-19 started in a lab was blocked from the internet and it is a fact that COVID-19 started in a lab. Neither of these are facts, the first is a flat out lie, the second is a theory which has been gaining support lately, it may be found to be true in time but it is not a fact right now.

If you lie and misrepresent very basic things like these, people do not take what you say seriously. That is the way it goes.

Nice straw man argument.

Thousands of people who originally shared articles on Facebook/twitter about the Wuhan lab leak theory were banned or suspended. Google went through and deleted articles off the internet about it. The censorship was insane.

Turns out based on the now available evidence it is the most likely scenario. The only reason it isn't a fact yet is because China covered it up and was aided by people like Fauci, social media giants etc.

That is fact.

 

[CrippsVoss17]

On that logic. No approved drug is safe. A standard clinic trial and approval time line is between 3 to 5 years. Even at 5 years, it’s not really enough time to assess the “long term impacts”…….. unless you deem a lifetime to be 7 years!!! mRNA technology is decades old. The notion that COVID vaccines were started from scratch is silly. Corona viruses have been treated for many years. Covid is simply a new variation of a virus that was discovered many years ago and been treated for many many years. Just because it didn’t hit the western world, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen!!!

None of what you said negates the fact there may be long term issues we don't know about.

People are entitled to be concerned about that.

Personally I think the risk of COVID outweighs those possible long-term issues. We do live in a society where people can have a different risk matrix to you or I.

 

[CrippsVoss17]

Trump 2020 flags

You mean the President under which the vaccine was developed?

Interesting how routinely he is criticized but what the left now wants to mandate people be injected with was developed under a guy their own VP said "if its developed under him I am not taking it"

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Who knows his reasons. Maybe he had a close family member who had a bad reaction. Anyway says a lot about you as a person with your comments. I see you got a few likes there as well, no surprises with the posters. Shows how divided this whole bloody saga has made us.

Oh piss off.

Anti-vaxxer quits and you want sympathy for the parasite?

Over 5 million deaths globally so you can be buggered if I am going to be defending social terrorists who have left decent people to do their heavy lifting.

Liam Jones is a grub. As is everyone else scabbing themselves off the rest of us.

 

[Glenn_]

You mean the President under which the vaccine was developed?

Interesting how routinely he is criticized but what the left now wants to mandate people be injected with was developed under a guy their own VP said "if its developed under him I am not taking it"

And the relevance to Australia is???
Contrary to their belief, we aren't the 51st state of America.

 

[Drought Break]

Oh piss off.

Anti-vaxxer quits and you want sympathy for the parasite?

Over 5 million deaths globally so you can be buggered if I am going to be defending social terrorists who have left decent people to do their heavy lifting.

Liam Jones is a grub. As is everyone else scabbing themselves off the rest of us.

So instead of berating him like the keyboard coward you are go and seek him out and give him your opinions. Bet you would piss your pants

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

In 2017 which was a particularly bad flu season, there were 21 deaths under aged 44.

Think of the old people and stop being selfish. The flu vax reduces transmission and saves lives, do your want me to bring out the statistics?

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

None of what you said negates the fact there may be long term issues we don't know about.

People are entitled to be concerned about that.

Personally I think the risk of COVID outweighs those possible long-term issues. We do live in a society where people can have a different risk matrix to you or I.

We also live in a society where every person is completely different in terms of health not just age. Everyone also has different risk profiles regarding how they live their lives. But yes let's paint everyone with the same brush and keep jabbing people every 6 months with a Vax that has been proven to have severe side effects in people and doesn't even work that well.... Makes sense

 

[Sarcoidevo]

You mean the President under which the vaccine was developed?

Interesting how routinely he is criticized but what the left now wants to mandate people be injected with was developed under a guy their own VP said "if its developed under him I am not taking it"

If the OrangeBaby had his way we would all be mandated to inject bleach

Has there ever been bigger fktards than Trump and his braindead supporters

 

[Corrupt_]

My coworker who acquired vaccine induced pericarditis would also be without an AFL career had they been a footballer. I suspect this thread will be revisited in time. Hi.

 

[DERO]

They were ANTIFAscist

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