Carlton player Liam Jones refusing vax - Update: Jones retires from AFL

[Sir_Loin]

We should all be grateful. An intellectual giant like Liam Jones is wasting his considerable far-reaching talents playing sport for Carlton football club. I cannot wait to see what his brilliant mind tackles next.

Good luck Liam!

Hope he realises that in all likelihood he’s going to have to be vaccinated for his next career unless he plans to never leave his house

 

[Roby]

Yeah those statistics are fake cause there are people/athletes on the list whose death had nothing to with the vaccine ..... suicide .... gunshot

If your credibility wasn't suspect enough it has been absolutely obliterated now

Oh no, it was obliterated a long time ago.

 

[Roby]

You don't understand that a one size fits all approach isn't necessarily the right one?
What about people who have already had covid and have the antibodies (natural immunity)
What about people with heart conditions?
What about people that know of someone who had an adverse reaction?

Bullying people isn't the way.
When we view others as sub-human it's a problem and a slippery slope.

My mother is an anti-vaxxer and believes salt lamps will clear her pneumonia, but she's not sub-human.

Anti-vaxxers aren't sub-human, they're anti-vaccine.

 

[Wosh]

Soooo hows it going in here?
Should I read the last few pages or take my eyes out with a hot poker?

I just saw Tik Tok
’trust the science’

 

[Muddiemoose]

I just saw Tik Tok
’trust the science’

I prefer to get my medical advice off non medically trained tech millionaires who post non peer reviewed articles to their own websites

 

[Roby]

All correct except for the last one. Covid is dangerous for high risk individuals (Elderly and those with pre-existing conditions)

If you'd believe that Covid was a thing back in March last year right now you'd could've had gains of:

50% on Pfizer and Astrazenca and 1000% on Moderna shares.

Stocks go up.

 

[Forward Press]

I prefer to get my medical advice off non medically trained tech millionaires who post non peer reviewed articles to their own websites

The best way to determine the correct advice is to listen to what Clive Palmer and Craig Kelly says - then take the complete opposite view.

 

[Roby]

The topic at hand is Liam Jones and i think he's a legend for not giving in
It's his body and it's his choice.

You said

What about people who smoke, do drugs and eat crappy foods?
We don't tier society based upon people who make other lifestyle choices.

I said we do. It's a strawman argument that doesn't work.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

The data is behind a paywall.

Althetes dying suddenly on the field is not something of a rare occurence.

List of association football players who died during their careers - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

10 in 2013
8 in 2016
7 in 2017
14 in 2021

 

[Forward Press]

I can't wait for the reactions when AFLW and AFL players start collapsing on the field

Anti-vax Twitter user quotes his own blog for a source for his data. Amusing.

Hope we don't see this on the AFL field next season

We already have, before COVID. Remember Dylan Roberton?

Linking Christian Eriksen to COVID vaccines without any evidence is disrespectful, disingenuous and borderline offensive to the doctors that saved his life and him and his family.

 

[Corrupt_]

Best of luck to Liam

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Isn't it ironic?

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Doncha think?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Imagine retiring from an extremely high paying job cos he wont get vaxxed to start looking for jobs that won't won't pay 1/6th as good that'll require you to still be vaxxed. The ultimate 'Congratulations, you just played yourself' moment.

My workmate, I'm going to give up my high paying mining job because I don't like being told what to do and it's no ones business on whether I'm vaxxed or not.

Him : I guess I'll have to get it at some point so I can travel overseas.

Me : If you're going to eventually get it anyway so that you can travel overseas, why don't you just get it now so you can keep your job and fund your overseas travels.

Him : If I get it, I have to tell work so they can keep track of who has it or not. My medical information is none of their business.

Me : You're giving them access to your whole medical history, just letting them know whether you're vaccinated or not.

Him : I have signed a privacy agreement with the Federal Government to say that no one apart from me and my GP are allowed access to my medical records.

Me : They don't want your medical records, they just want proof that you're vaccinated which the state government has said is mandatory for companies to do.

Him : It's my business, not theirs.

Me : Ok, when you fly overseas and want to fly back again, you're going to have to prove that you're vaccinated, what are you going to do then?

Him : huh, what?

****ing hillbilly, people are coming up with all sorts of shit to justify their stance for losing high paying jobs and houses that they can no longer afford.

Another work mate is posting up pics of his vegie garden he is growing in his company owned house and their chooks, telling us how he's preparing for a the system to collapse. The dumb thing is, is that he has 4 kids from 12 and under, he has a big mortgage that he can't afford, that's why he moved up to live residential and live in the company house. He's already put his house on the market it preparation of losing his job, he has next to no equity in it, he will be kicked out of the company house they are currently in and have to move back to Perth. I asked him where he was going to live once they sell their house? Rentals are tough to get in WA at the moment. He said they'd work something out.

Clueless, no plan (except for hoping the system collapses, I don't how that will help him), a wife who he has brainwashed against the vaxx and is unemployed and 4 kids to support. What could possibly go wrong.

wtf is wrong with people? Over a ****ing couple of needles. Get it and move on, there's more in life to worry about.

 

[Gruffles]

I always laugh when people like you make the same point we have been making since this all begun.. person with Covid dies in car crash = Covid death... Person has terminal cancer gets Covid = Covid death. Person gets adverse reaction to vaccine = fake news or they already had issue or if they got Covid would have been worse... Can't have it both ways

Sigh... Another discussion that we've already gone through, stocks. The situations above are NOT recorded as covid deaths here. If covid lead to their death, it's recorded. If they would have died that day irrespective of covid, it's not recorded.

Of course, you knew that but continue to post this rubbish anyway.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Mate I was double vaccinated in September. 6 weeks later I was in hospital with covid. I couldn't breathe on my own, I developed pneumonia, still suffering with side effects to this very day. I was told my the doctors that I could potentially die from my condition.

I am in my 20s, zero underlying health conditions. Tell me how good this vaccine is?

Before you say imagine I wasn't double jabbed, I have heard it all before.

Why did you choose to go to a hospital full of people who are actively endorsing and supporting vaccines if they're just a bunch of lying quacks?

 

[LuckyHawk]

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= psycho. 90% are nearly vaccinated but he knows better not to
while he tosses in a great job.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Although I don't know what his reasons are, at a high level I disagree with him not getting vax'd.

I just don't see the issue with getting it.

And although I certainly see the case for mandating the Vax, I don't agree with it on an idealogical level

Having said that, he doesn't have to get it. So he didn't. Obviously there's always consequences to choices, and in this case there is.

The system kind of works right?

He didn't want it. Didn't get it. Accepted the sacrifice. Life goes on.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Ahh so it's all based on heresay. Got ya.

It's really amazing how every single antivaxxer personally knows tons of people who have had violent reactions to the vaccine, AND also personally knows a whole bunch of doctors and nurses who secretly tell them the vaccine is useless and harmful.

 

[kingswood71]

Only Christian Eriksen was not vaccinated at that time.

Inter director says Eriksen did not have COVID and was not vaccinated

Inter Milan director Giuseppe Marotta dismissed suggestions that club midfielder Christian Eriksen, who collapsed in Denmark's Euro 2020 opener against Finland on Saturday, had previously contracted COVID-19 while the Italian club's doctor said he had shown no previous signs of a health issue.

www.reuters.com

Nice try whackjob. Stop spreading propaganda you uneducated POS. Once you resort to outright lies to back up your bullshit, you lose.

I think I count 50 incidents he has listed.
This would be way lower that expected in the athletic cohort.

 

[phantom13]

Although I don't know what his reasons are, at a high level I disagree with him not getting vax'd.

I just don't see the issue with getting it.

And although I certainly see the case for mandating the Vax, I don't agree with it on an idealogical level

Having said that, he doesn't have to get it. So he didn't. Obviously there's always consequences to choices, and in this case there is.

The system kind of works right?

He didn't want it. Didn't get it. Accepted the sacrifice. Life goes on.

Essentially yes, there is some argument about non vaxxed being a higher risk of catching and spreading also that they are more likely to need hospital treatment if they do (putting unnecessary strain on the hospital system) but in effect it is what it is.

 

[faible]

Well this thread really exploded over the weekend. Left it on Friday at ~ Page 22. Now Page 53.

Anything worth reading?

 

[Slippery Pete]

Because there is no limiting principle to any of these directions or mandates, I am going to have to pull out my crystal ball and speculate on what the end game of all this is.

The way I see it, all of this can only go one of two ways:

1. The pandemic ends and/or the clear and present threat disappears, and therefore vaccination status becomes irrelevant.

2. It does not end, the threat continues, and therefore booster shots are mandated the same way these first shots have been.

Is there another way this can go? Anything I’ve missed here? It is early in the morning…

 

[phantom13]

You know who i feel for in all this.

Brad Lloyd, that poor bastard having to front the media and say "Its a complex and nuanced personal situation that we are supportive and sympathetic to" with a straight face

 

[Slippery Pete]

Well this thread really exploded over the weekend. Left it on Friday at ~ Page 22. Now Page 53.

Anything worth reading?

It’s like Bold and the Beautiful, you only have to be on for thirty seconds to pick up a year’s worth of plot.

 

[faible]

Is there another way this can go?

Try to imagine for a moment, a mid-point between the two made-up options that you've decided are the only possible options.