Opinion Carlton Premiership Window not tied to Judd

[ferrisb]

The theory goes that when Judd retires, our premiership window closes.

The guy is a champion and I want to see him play for a few more years, but I don’t see his retirement as being that significant.

Surely once he retires, a ~700k gap opens up in our salary cap and we can afford to ‘replace’ him via salary cap. Free agency means it only takes money, not players to bring players across.

When you lose a player to injury, you lose that player’s contribution but you are still paying him. Lose a player to retirement, you lose his contribution BUT you have more money in the kitty.

In my mind, no one is truly irreplaceable unless they are performing MASSIVELY above their salary. Such as a player that joins or stays for less than market value in order to chase premiership glory or a veteran that you are paying less than market value due to salary cap discount.

Am I way off base here? Should I be more worried than I am?

Discuss.

 

[Franc de Borges]

Of course it doesn't end with Judd. Having said that, he's the exact player you want playing for you in a big final.

 

[Jabba73]

Of course his retirement will be significant, as it is with all club champions, but the club is bigger than the individual and he will be replaced and we move onwards with the new group of legends.

Still, it would be fitting if he plays in our next premiership or two. We have time to get him into another finals series or two.

 

[mediumsizered]

The theory goes that when Judd retires, our premiership window closes.

The guy is a champion and I want to see him play for a few more years, but I don’t see his retirement as being that significant.

Surely once he retires, a ~700k gap opens up in our salary cap and we can afford to ‘replace’ him via salary cap. Free agency means it only takes money, not players to bring players across.

When you lose a player to injury, you lose that player’s contribution but you are still paying him. Lose a player to retirement, you lose his contribution BUT you have more money in the kitty.

In my mind, no one is truly irreplaceable unless they are performing MASSIVELY above their salary. Such as a player that joins or stays for less than market value in order to chase premiership glory or a veteran that you are paying less than market value due to salary cap discount.

Am I way off base here? Should I be more worried than I am?

Discuss.

Recent history tells us that teams with evenness right across the ground are winning premierships & in fact both Sydney (Lockett) & Collingwood (Buckley) broke premiership droughts after the retirement of their best player (Geelong also won another premiership after losing GAJ).

Malthouse made it clear when he arrived at our club that he was of the belief we had too much reliance on Judd. His aim therefore was to extract more across the board from our players & with him regularly starting Judd out of the midfield, he has set about putting the wheels in motion to achieve this.

I personally don't believe Judd's retirement will mean our premiership window closes, because we have a greater spread of talent among the players on our list who are under 26 years of age, than at the older end of our list. It is up to these players to share more of the load & if we can get more from some of our fringe players the retirement of Judd won't hurt as much as some expect it to.

 

[zeeCFC]

Oscar should be right to go in a couple of years anyway

From becjudd on instagram

 

[SpaceCow]

I'd take a premiership with him in the next couple of years than two in the years after his retirement.

The guy deserves it.

 

[mediumsizered]

Oscar should be right to go in a couple of years anyway

From becjudd on instagram

His ball drop is not going to be very good if he is going to continue to hold the footy in this way.

 

[james Dean]

His ball drop is not going to be very good if he is going to continue to hold the footy in this way.

It looks like he's a lefty. Get him to take over Simmo's role In few years, hell if Bootsma can make it through a game little Oscar can too.

 

[Omega Blue]

It looks like he's a lefty. Get him to take over Simmo's role In few years, hell if Bootsma can make it through a game little Oscar can too.

would be a hassel for bec if he has his daddys speed off the mark

 

[Poseidon]

His ball drop is not going to be very good if he is going to continue to hold the footy in this way.

Delist him.

 

[HBF]

In his 6th year at the club, and I think we are getting used to him not dragging us over the line for a close win. What has been a little curious over the first month is Judd was very good in the first 3 weeks where we didn't register a win, yet he was well below his best last week yet we beat West Coast over in Subi.

No doubt that when Judd does retire it will certainly be felt, and I have complete confidence that Mick and co won't let it completely take the wind out of our sails. Plus, as the OP said, we will have a fair bit of salary cap room to at least go out and get someone through free agency.

 

[Dramoth]

Oscar should be right to go in a couple of years anyway

From becjudd on instagram

Looks like he is lining up for a banana out of the right hand pocket...

 

[mikeythemoocow]

If we can get all our ducks on the same page, we could feel in a big fish once Judd retires

 

[mediumsizered]

Looks like he is lining up for a banana out of the right hand pocket...

He must be getting tips from Lewis Betts.

 

[gbatman]

Right, it doesn't end with Judd, but I think it is important to have Judd still going as a 33 year old because I feel we are a year or two away yet. Would be good to have Judd in any capacity when Menzel, Graham, Temay etc start playing good football.

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

Delist him.

Fair headed son of Lucifer, you can tell by the photo he has that chicken wing nastiness about him, coupled with iffy disposal
DO NOT WANT.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

But if we don't win a premiership with Judd, won't we have lost the Judd-Kennedy trade ? That's what Big Footy tells me.

I'm not sure I can cope with that.

 

[Carlton_Blues]

But if we don't win a premiership with Judd, won't we have lost the Judd-Kennedy trade ? That's what Big Footy tells me.

I'm not sure I can cope with that.

Judd's been more to our club than just a trade for Kennedy. He changed the culture of our playing group and has been a role model (particularly Murphy). The benefits of Judd have already been felt and anything beyond these is cream.

 

[Revenge I Seek]

I'd like to see us win a flag with Judd, just so we can stick it up those ****ing flog West Coast supporters who keep crapping on with their "I still think we got the best years out of Judd".

They base this call on just one single event. That being the 2006 premiership they won by a single point. The facts are:

Tenure at Wet Toast
2 x Club Champion
1 x Brownlow Medal
1 x Premiership

Tenure at Carlton
3 x Club Champion
1 x Brownlow Medal
0 x Premiership

Add a Carlton premiership to that list of figures above, and that will shut them up.

 

[Silvagnis]

Oscar should be right to go in a couple of years anyway

From becjudd on instagram

Needs to work on the sneer and grimace before he kicks.

We might need to get him some AOD from Essendon to help him get ripped. Jesus appears to be into his pies.



Damn clash strip.

 

[T2B_]

Oh dear God, Oscar is emulating Levi's ball grip