Hot Topic CARLTON SUPPORTERS ONLY - Carlton fires Captain Carlton

[Gethelred]

Carlton caught up in fresh storm over club mascot

A statement has been issued and the person at the centre of the incident has been sacked.

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This thread is for the discussion of the sacking of a club mascot after refusing to participate in a bar mitzvah which was allegedly sending money back to the IDF.

By taking this position and labelling the act racist, the club has taken a position on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

This thread concerns a discussion of the following:

• whether it is acceptable for the club to fire someone for taking a political stance.
• whether it is a good idea for the club to have taken a public position on this issue.

This thread is not a thread in which you should partake in expressing your political beliefs concerning the conflict, nor is it somewhere in which forum rules do not apply.

Should you seek to participate in conversation related to the war, you can do so here:

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Moved Thread - Blues mascot 'Captain Carlton' sacked after walking out of Bar Mitzvah and comments about Zionists.

Blues off to a flyer for the off season :D But surely one can criticise the actions of the IDF without being 'anti semitic' ‘Not doing this for f---ing Zios’: Captain Carlton mascot storms out of Bar Mitzvah celebration A man working as a mascot for the Carlton Football Club has stunned...

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Thanks all!

 

[jj1978]

Chucked a hissy fit, said some unsanitary words, offended a lot of people with his behaviour also whilst having others from the club there, sponsors, kids, etc. It was worse than reported.

 

[perthblue]

the labelling of ‘zionist’ or ‘zio’ as a racist slur is pure propaganda. The same propaganda that tells us that ‘Jewish people’ and ‘Israeli government’ are interchangeable terms.

Maybe the guy shouldn’t have sworn but he was happy to perform at a bar mitzvah which to me indicates at least no strong feelings towards Jewish people as a whole, and if he was unaware that he was participating in an event that was funding a foreign army then I can understand the strong reaction.

The clubs response is incredibly disappointing and gutless. I can handle the on-field disappointment, have done for 25 years, but no longer.

 

[mickelboy182]

Chucked a hissy fit, said some unsanitary words, offended a lot of people with his behaviour also whilst having others from the cliv there, sponsors etc. It was worse than reported.

What was said? If you know, would certainly aid discussion to be stickied at the top.

 

[Pixelshooter]

This is not a complex situation at all.

He was well within his rights to walk out after he found out what the situation was. Had he done just that, there is zero chance the club would have sacked him.

But to add the words that he allegedly did while representing the Club...not on at all. Has absolutely nothing to do with the decision to leave the function.

 

[BlackGoanna]

They had him along to raise money for a genocide.

He made his choice - respect.

Or raising money in the fight against terrorism

He made his choice - sacked

 

[bradfisher14]

As with all situations, two things can be true at the same time.

Yes, he is well within his rights to take a stand against a genocide and I applaud him for doing so.

But you also can't behave in the manner described while representing your employer and expect zero disciplinary action.

I sincerely hope that the club has taken this action due to his behaviour, rather than the political belief he holds.

 

[Blue Pulse]

I really feel it is time for the Carlton Football club to grow up and concentrate on Football.

Mascots are for game day and should be used for Club purposes only. If outside people want entertainment at their personal events they should hire an entertainer. End of story.

If CC, the person was so against what was going on, he could of feigned sickness and left. He was representing the club first. His views are entirely his and happy for him to express them, but there is a time and place to do it, that was not the place.

 

[Stamos]

As with all situations, two things can be true at the same time.

Yes, he is well within his rights to take a stand against a genocide and I applaud him for doing so.

But you also can't behave in the manner described while representing your employer and expect zero disciplinary action.

I sincerely hope that the club has taken this action due to his behaviour, rather than the political belief he holds.

Bait and switch to support a genocide?
His actions seem reasonable.

 

[Will_Hayward]

Shameful by the club. What sort of birthday party raises money for soldiers committing genocide?

 

[jackn]

Dude has every right to pull out of a find raiser for a foreign nations army. Good on him for doing so. As others have said, probably would have been better served to do so quietly. Would probably have had an even better impact on those there, particularly the kid.

The whining from dr dvir in that article is quite hilarious though.

Carlton caught up in fresh storm over club mascot

A statement has been issued and the person at the centre of the incident has been sacked.

7news.com.au

“The terrifying truth is that there is no safe space left. Not at synagogues, not in schools, not even in the joy of a family milestone,” he said.

“Wherever Jews gather, hatred finds a way to intrude in a loud, shameless, uninvited way."

Hatred intruding in schools is a hell of a lot better than missiles.

 

[thefrog]

Absolutely back him for what he said, I also would walk out knowing that money is going towards funding a genocide.

On the other hand, he’s representing the club and can’t walk out mid job swearing so I understand why he lost his job.

 

[ferrisb]

the labelling of ‘zionist’ or ‘zio’ as a racist slur is pure propaganda. The same propaganda that tells us that ‘Jewish people’ and ‘Israeli government’ are interchangeable terms.

Maybe the guy shouldn’t have sworn but he was happy to perform at a bar mitzvah which to me indicates at least no strong feelings towards Jewish people as a whole, and if he was unaware that he was participating in an event that was funding a foreign army then I can understand the strong reaction.

The clubs response is incredibly disappointing and gutless. I can handle the on-field disappointment, have done for 25 years, but no longer.

I don't mind Pixelshooter's take on this. He probably had the right to walk out on moral grounds, but the way he did it wasn't handled well. If Captain Carlton had attended a function and just said '**** you guys' and stormed off, it would have been pretty bad. Even without the zios bit.

Maybe he just got spooked and overreacted. Can we expect a guy dressed up in a costume to exercise tact and calmly inform the hosts of his political stance? Probably not. Although he is representing the club. So, probably? I dunno.

 

[bradfisher14]

Bait and switch to support a genocide?
His actions seem reasonable.

If that's the case, absolutely.

 

[Boohemian]

Not sure how this can be described as anti-Semitism when the person was willing to perform at a Bar Mitzvah. Only withdrew after learning funds were going to support IDF soldiers.

Anti-zionism should not be conflated with antisemitism, but Zionists will hide behind accusations of antisemitism to justify their actions. It places Jews in real danger.

Much respect to Captain Carlton. We need more people standing up for what they believe in.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Can only hope the club didn't know it was an IDF fundraiser before sending the mascot.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Carlton caught up in fresh storm over club mascot

A statement has been issued and the person at the centre of the incident has been sacked.

7news.com.au

This thread is for the discussion of the sacking of a club mascot after refusing to participate in a bar mitzvah which was allegedly sending money back to the IDF.

By taking this position and labelling the act racist, the club has taken a position on the Israel-Palestine conflict.

This thread concerns a discussion of the following:

• whether it is acceptable for the club to fire someone for taking a political stance.
• whether it is a good idea for the club to have taken a public position on this issue.

This thread is not a thread in which you should partake in expressing your political beliefs concerning the conflict, nor is it somewhere in which forum rules do not apply.

Should you seek to participate in conversation related to the war, you can do so here:

Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack IV - Probable Case of Genocide

Continued from Part III https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/israel-declare-war-after-hamas-attack-iii.1381570/ Original Post, October 7, 2023: Israel declares state of war In response to the attacks, which appear to have caught the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) by surprise, Israel has...

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If you wish to participate in this thread, do so knowing that this will not be allowed to escalate beyond a point.

Thanks all!

Pretty misleading OP.

Guy made a racist comment, swore at a kids event and walked out of the event he had been hired for.

Walking out is the political stance, and IMO not fireable.

Making a racist comment and swearing? That's too far.

Cpt Carlton needs to do better, so does the OP.

 

[Pablito]

Thread lasted less than 2 pages before the name calling started. New BF record.

 

[perthblue]

Pretty misleading OP.

Guy made a racist comment, swore at a kids event and walked out of the event he had been hired for.

Walking out is the political stance, and IMO not fireable.

Making a racist comment and swearing? That's too far.

Cpt Carlton needs to do better, so does the OP.

What was the racist comment?

 

[bluemahogany]

Pretty misleading OP.

Guy made a racist comment, swore at a kids event and walked out of the event he had been hired for.

Walking out is the political stance, and IMO not fireable.

Making a racist comment and swearing? That's too far.

Cpt Carlton needs to do better, so does the OP.

If zionists are a race I am a proud racist, stop blurring the lines.

 

[Stamos]

Pretty misleading OP.

Guy made a racist comment, swore at a kids event and walked out of the event he had been hired for.

Walking out is the political stance, and IMO not fireable.

Making a racist comment and swearing? That's too far.

Cpt Carlton needs to do better, so does the OP.

The alleged comment wasn't racist though?

 

[Warsaw]

Can only hope the club didn't know it was an IDF fundraiser before sending the mascot.

Does the mascot get hired regularly to do run of the mill parties?

Because this seems more like a favour done to "some senior Carlton members", and in which case it's not unreasonable to think that they also knew what the fundraiser was supporting.

Sure, you can play the 'he was an employee and paid to do his job' card, but if you're going to trot out the "united, inclusive, values-led club line" in response to his firing, I'd expect the same interrogation as to why they thought it fit to have the club officially represented at an event that is fundraising for a political belief that is famously not very inclusive.

 

[agro]

Not sure what this moron was expecting to see out of a Torquay Hotel window, the Sydney Opera House, the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, Herds of Wildebeest majestically sweeping across the veldt.

He was entertaining at a Bar Mitzvah - hello.

 

[El Topo]

Pretty misleading OP.

Guy made a racist comment, swore at a kids event and walked out of the event he had been hired for.

Walking out is the political stance, and IMO not fireable.

Making a racist comment and swearing? That's too far.

Cpt Carlton needs to do better, so does the OP.

What race would that be?

 

[ferrisb]

Anti-zionism should not be conflated with antisemitism, but Zionists will hide behind accusations of antisemitism to justify their actions. It places Jews in real danger.

Much respect to Captain Carlton. We need more people standing up for what they believe in.

They should not generally be conflated. But they can be.

Some anti-zionism is I believe in a two-state solution, some is Israel should be a secular state, some is Israel shouldn't exist.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Replace "detention guards at a Chinese concentration camp" for "IDF soldiers". Where is the line before it's fair to withdraw your labour?

I'm sorry what? You deign to know my stance on the issue? Do you also pretend to know whether or not Carlton knew the situation? It's no crime to go to a bah mitzvah. And as I was fairly clear no issue in the mascot walking out. He swore in front of children and made a scene though.... In front of children....

He can't be kept on as y'know. A mascot that is often around children...


I wasn't making a point about politics and believe all the bleeding hearts, all the voices who want to be heard on every social or global issue can say what they like. But don't imply I support genocides because a guy can't contain himself in front of kids when it's his job to often be around kids is sacked. There's not often a right or wrong. He had to go regardless of the 'bigger picture'.

The club can get stuffed for putting him in a position like it but I'm not going to use that as an excuse for the guy.