Celtic in the Premiership?

[Shinboners]

UEFA Cup this season:

Celtic 1 vs Blackburn 0
Blackburn 0 vs Celtic 2

Celtic 1 vs Liverpool 1
Liverpool 0 vs Celtic 2

I know that in past discussions on this board, some people felt that Celtic (and for that matter, Rangers) would struggle in the Premiership....and I think a few people even suggested that they should start in Division One.....but from the UEFA Cup results, it seems that Celtic would do pretty well in the English Premier League.

 

[Fansquad]

I don't think they would struggle at all. Would take them a few years to settle into the tempo and depth of the english teams. I would back them to make a top 6-8 finish.

 

[Diego Forlan]

If Rangers and Celtic moved to the EPL, it might make the SPL slightly more competitive and interesting..

 

[robbieando]

My view on this is that both Rangers and Celtic should start off in Div 1 BECAUSE it would be unfair to keep a Div 1 club down that won promotion in regards to the standings. Of course one of us would win it with the other coming 2nd thus both being promoted.

Then it would be interesting to see how both went. Might take a while to get use to the league and the new standards, afterall think of the difference of taking on the likes of Bolton on each week instead of Motherwell. Huge difference. What Celtic's run has done is show we can challenge the best teams, win it maybe not right away, afterall both club are in debt.

But in say 10 year there is no reason why Rangers and Celtic couldn't join Man Utd and Arsenal in the title race.

An idea to keep the SPL happy would be to keep our reserves in the comp thus making the league a very even comp with the likes of Motherwell having a chance to win the league.

 

[Dan26]

If a Scottish team joins the English League, what's to stop a German team joining the French League, or a Dutch team joining the Spanish League?

It really becomes a bit of a farce, if the Scottish league continues to exist, but two teams don't play in it. Teams should stick to their own leagues. It could lead to precedents that make a total farce of a league representing that country.

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Dan26
If a Scottish team joins the English League, what's to stop a German team joining the French League, or a Dutch team joining the Spanish League?

It really becomes a bit of a farce, if the Scottish league continues to exist, but two teams don't play in it. Teams should stick to their own leagues. It could lead to precedents that make a total farce of a league representing that country.

Last time I checked, Swansea City, Cardiff City and Wrexham were a part of Wales and they play in the English Leagues.

 

[Diego Forlan]

Originally posted by Shinboners
Last time I checked, Swansea City, Cardiff City and Wrexham were a part of Wales and they play in the English Leagues.

Logically, its a farce then isn't it

Logically, the cup finals should not be played in Cardiff then as it seems farcical that it is not played within England.

Therefore I conclude that any FA Cup/Worthless/Charity shield win by any side until the new national stadium is built is void and does not count. So there.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Shinboners
Last time I checked, Swansea City, Cardiff City and Wrexham were a part of Wales and they play in the English Leagues.

And last time I checked Wales has their own league, begging the question why Wrexham aren't a part of it. Celtic will neve be admitted to the EPL, nor should they.

Do you actually ever make points? Or only statements?

 

[Diego Forlan]

Originally posted by Dan26
And last time I checked Wales has their own league, begging the question why Wrexham aren't a part of it. Celtic will neve be admitted to the EPL, nor should they.

Do you actually ever make points? Or only statements?

It must be hard when your supposedly well researched and though-out 'points' get blown out of the water very easily hey?

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Dan26
And last time I checked Wales has their own league, begging the question why Wrexham aren't a part of it. Celtic will neve be admitted to the EPL, nor should they.

Do you actually ever make points? Or only statements?

Just merely pointing out something else that you seemed to be quite ignorant about.

You said that having Celtic in the EPL would be a farce and set a bad precedent, but ooops, it seems that you didn't know that there were Welsh sides playing in the English leagues.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Diego Forlan
Logically, its a farce then isn't it

It certainly will be if the Scottish league continues to operate whilst two of it's members play in another countries league. If you can explain the logic, I'd like to hear it. Yeah, I know they are big clubs and they dominate their league, but so are Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord and they dominate their league which is of a comparable standard. I don't see them wanting to hop across to Germany.

Originally posted by Diego Forlan
Logically, the cup finals should not be played in Cardiff then as it seems farcical that it is not played within England.

Obviously, the demise of Wembley is news that hasn't reached you yet. Where do you think the bloody final is going to be played? They are looking for the biggest and best neutral venue, and Cardiff is that.

What's your point anyway? You think it's a good idea for teams who are part of one ****ry to join another country's league? Is that what you are saying? Or are you just making a statement without any point to it?

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Shinboners
Just merely pointing out something else that you seemed to be quite ignorant about.

You said that having Celtic in the EPL would be a farce and set a bad precedent, but ooops, it seems that you didn't know that there were Welsh sides playing in the English leagues.

I'm fully aware there are Welsh sides playing in England, and I have mentioned before. I thought it was funny when a journalist sugested that Leeds best hope of European Football would be against Wrexham and Cardiff if they continued their current form! Of course I'm fully aware of the presence of Welsh sides, but that doesn't mean it has to be "agreeable" to me.

What has the fact there are Welsh sides playing in England got to do with the fact that it would be a tad farcical if a Scottish club joined. This was about Celtic.

 

[Diego Forlan]

Originally posted by Shinboners
Just merely pointing out something else that you seemed to be quite ignorant about.

You said that having Celtic in the EPL would be a farce and set a bad precedent, but ooops, it seems that you didn't know that there were Welsh sides playing in the English leagues.

Is Jimmy Floyd H an American?

Away goals rule?

WC Qualifying flawed?

Welsh sides in English leagues?

What's next in the Dan roll call of soccer ignorance??

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Diego Forlan
Away goals rule?

Away goals rule is flawed, and it is a valid argument.

Originally posted by Diego Forlan
WC Qualifying flawed?

Don't recall this, but if you say so. For what it's worth, the reigning champ should have to qualify. It's a sperate tournament so everyone should have to qualify again, regardless of what happened at the previous World Cup.

Is this anything do to with the fact I think every confederation deserves a sport, hence I agree with Oceanai getting a full spot?

Originally posted by Diego Forlan
Welsh sides in English leagues?

Yes, there are Welsh sides in English Leagues as well all know. Congratulations. What's your point?

 

[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Dan26

What has the fact there are Welsh sides playing in England got to do with the fact that it would be a tad farcical if a Scottish club joined. This was about Celtic.

So, let me get this straight.

Celtic joining the EPL would set a bad precedent, and you mentioned German sides joining the French League or a Dutch team joining the Spanish League.

And now you're asking what relevance a Welsh team playing in England got to do with Celtic joining the EPL?

I thought your point was about precedents and farce. The only precedent here is your ability to shoot yourself in the foot with your farcical knowledge about soccer.

 

[Diego Forlan]

Originally posted by Dan26
Obviously, the demise of Wembley is news that hasn't reached you yet. Where do you think the bloody final is going to be played? They are looking for the biggest and best neutral venue, and Cardiff is that.

What? When did that happen?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but even though Twickenham is a rugby stadium, so is the Millenium Stadium at times. Why not play them there? I don't think they're relaying the turf at Twickenham that often either. I guess you'd overlooked this obvious possibility.

Originally posted by Dan26
What's your point anyway? You think it's a good idea for teams who are part of one ****ry to join another country's league? Is that what you are saying? Or are you just making a statement without any point to it?

What's your point? After your argument got destroyed with relative ease I don't think you have one anymore. I've no time for mindless babble.

 

[Dan26]

I also think, Shinboners the presence of a Scottish team is a bit different to the Welsh teams. Scotland and England are the oldest rivals, and there is a bit more of a difference between the countries, than between England and Wales.

Be a good idea to ask a Brit what they think, but I'd suggest the emotion, and passion that would be generated by having a Scottish team in their Legaue would be a hugely different.

 

[Diego Forlan]

Originally posted by Dan26
Away goals rule is flawed, and it is a valid argument.

Without turning this into another 50 page snorefest, you've been quite humiliated (again with supreme ease) on this topic. I don't think we need to hear from you on this one again.

Originally posted by Dan26
Don't recall this, but if you say so. For what it's worth, the reigning champ should have to qualify. It's a sperate tournament so everyone should have to qualify again, regardless of what happened at the previous World Cup.

Is this anything do to with the fact I think every confederation deserves a sport, hence I agree with Oceanai getting a full spot?

I guess you would want to forget this one, as you were shot to pieces on this too. Again, no need to hear further on this topic.

Originally posted by Dan26
Yes, there are Welsh sides in English Leagues as well all know. Congratulations. What's your point?

Thank you. But given there are Welsh teams in the English Leagues, whats the problem with Celtic & Rangers joining the EPL? Or is it that these Welsh sides are relative minnows and therefore unimportant? You've really got to make your mind up on where your 'point' is heading as it's getting all vague and misty.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Diego Forlan
What? When did that happen?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but even though Twickenham is a rugby stadium, so is the Millenium Stadium at times. Why not play them there? I don't think they're relaying the turf at Twickenham that often either. I guess you'd overlooked this obvious possibility.

They obviously think Cardiff is the best choice. It is newer, and has the best facilities.

It's an irrelevant point anyway, because it will come back to England soon enough.

Originally posted by Diego Forlan
What's your point? After your argument got destroyed with relative ease I don't think you have one anymore. I've no time for mindless babble.

No, What's YOUR point? I asked you and you didnt give me an answer.

And what's this crap about relataive ease, dingbat. Last time I checked Celtic aren't in the Prelimeriship so there are, oh a few million people who can see the logic of not having them and Rangers in.

I certainly don't think it's a good idea. If you can explain why you think it's a good idea to have them in, please inform us.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Diego Forlan
Without turning this into another 50 page snorefest, you've been quite humiliated (again with supreme ease) on this topic. I don't think we need to hear from you on this one again.

If you can't at leass see the valid argument of not allowing a team who has scored exactly the same number of goals for and against as their opponent to progress, then you are smaller minded than I thought.

An argument against the away goals rule is very valid argument. Your argument is, "Oh, um....you're wrong and you're humilated"

Yeah, good one Diego. Way to make a point. Ever actually had an opinion on the rule, and discussed why you like it?

Originally posted by Diego Forlan
I guess you would want to forget this one, as you were shot to pieces on this too. Again, no need to hear further on this topic.

Let me get this straight, I ackowledge that the reigning champ should have to qualify again (which they should). FIFA then implement the rule and you claim I am shot to pieces. Yeah, whatever, mate! LOL

Just explain to me Diego-logic of why the team that won a previous tournament should get automatic qualification to the next one? I suppose Brisbane should get immediate access to the 2003 final sereis too!

Originally posted by Diego Forlan
But given there are Welsh teams in the English Leagues, whats the problem with Celtic & Rangers joining the EPL?

You're assuming I have no problem with Welsh teams in the English League. It's true they are minnows and as such have no relataive impact on the top flight (as Celtic and Rangers would), but I still don't see why they can't compete in their own league, but we were talking about Celtic who have considerably more clout.

Maybe you can explain why you believe the Welsh sides should be in the English League. Go for it. Love to hear!

 

[Diego Forlan]

Originally posted by Dan26
They obviously think Cardiff is the best choice. It is newer, and has the best facilities.

It's an irrelevant point anyway, because it will come back to England soon enough.

Millenium Stadium Capacity = 72,500
Twickenham Capacity = 75,000 (planned renovations to make it 82,000)

Considering the journey to Cardiff would be further than to Twickenham for your English football fan, I think we have enough 'points' here. Add in the continual dithering about the new national stadium and it may be a fair while yet before we see the finals return to England.

Originally posted by Dan26
No, What's YOUR point? I asked you and you didnt give me an answer.

And what's this crap about relataive ease, dingbat. Last time I checked Celtic aren't in the Prelimeriship so there are, oh a few million people who can see the logic of not having them and Rangers in.

I certainly don't think it's a good idea. If you can explain why you think it's a good idea to have them in, please inform us.

What's yours? I'm still unclear as to why your asking me for my point of view on this - after all your argument got lost some time ago.

But what about those who are in favour of Celtic & Rangers in the Premiership? Yes there are some Dan, does this make them illogical? Are they bad people?

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Dan26
I also think, Shinboners the presence of a Scottish team is a bit different to the Welsh teams. Scotland and England are the oldest rivals, and there is a bit more of a difference between the countries, than between England and Wales.

Be a good idea to ask a Brit what they think, but I'd suggest the emotion, and passion that would be generated by having a Scottish team in their Legaue would be a hugely different.

Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and be though a fool....................

Originally posted by Dan26

It really becomes a bit of a farce, if the Scottish league continues to exist, but two teams don't play in it. Teams should stick to their own leagues. It could lead to precedents that make a total farce of a league representing that country.

Therefore the Welsh league is already a farce, and the precedent has already been set, simple.

Maybe you have overlooked the fact that the UK
is one country? though 4 seperate soccer confederations? is it not a farce that a country sends one team to the Olympics but breaks in to 4 for the World Cup?

A little bit different to Holland, Germany et al.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Diego Forlan
Millenium Stadium Capacity = 72,500
Twickenham Capacity = 75,000 (planned renovations to make it 82,000)

Considering the journey to Cardiff would be further than to Twickenham for your English football fan, I think we have enough 'points' here. Add in the continual dithering about the new national stadium and it may be a fair while yet before we see the finals return to England.

Who knows? They obviously consider Cardiff a better stadium for their major Cup finals. No matter how long it takes, it is still only a temporary home. England is the real home.

Originally posted by Diego Forlan



What's yours? I'm still unclear as to why your asking me for my point of view on this

I'm asking your point of view, because you are so keen to stick your nose in. By going against me, you are implying you are in favour of having the Scottish clubs in England (God knows why)

ARE you for it? And if you are, is it soley because there are Welsh sides in England so you basically think, "Hey might as well let Celtic and Rangers in, because there are Welsh sides in England. That's a good enough reason" " Is that that reason?

Or are you just looking for another argument with me, and are not really for Celtic in the premiership at all?

Originally posted by Diego Forlan


But what about those who are in favour of Celtic & Rangers in the Premiership? Yes there are some Dan, does this make them illogical? Are they bad people?

No they're not bad people. I just happen to disagre with the logic of including them. And I don't agree with using Welsh sides as some sort of "justification" for them joining, like Shinboners was doing.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Falchoon


Maybe you have overlooked the fact that the UK
is one country? though 4 seperate soccer confederations? is it not a farce that a country sends one team to the Olympics but breaks in to 4 for the World Cup?

A little bit different to Holland, Germany et al.

This is true, but if that's the case, why have 4 differnt leagues for each country? You might as well have one league by your logic. Each league consists soley of teams from that country (with the exception of a handful of Welsh teams in England), so at domestic league level, they are considered seperate countries, each with teams from that country.

I don't lke the idea of Rangers and Celtic joining England while the other teams in Scotland just kepe playing like nothing has happened. How can you be called "Champions of England" if you are a Scottish team?

I'm guessing by your post, you're in favour of it then?

 

[Diego Forlan]

Originally posted by Dan26
No they're not bad people. I just happen to disagre with the logic of including them. And I don't agree with using Welsh sides as some sort of "justification" for them joining, like Shinboners was doing.

Why are Welsh sides not adequate justification? Does it have something to do with the fact they're crap and not in the EPL? Because that would be poor and illogical reasoning Dan, even for you.