CEY

[Thetrader15]

50+ (not all for Adelaide)

<50...not all for Adelaide

 

[Anzacpaul]

<50...not all for Adelaide

I'd trade him just for his opportunities. Would def get a game at another club. Wouldn't get anything for him though.

I'm actually surprised he hasn't looked around (up until the knee of course)

 

[GreyCrow]

The one thing I loved was the bond between Cam and Tex. Last quarter? Cam kicks a goal and Tex gives him a hug and some words and you can see Cam just about burst with happiness and pride

 

[Thetrader15]

I'd trade him just for his opportunities. Would def get a game at another club. Wouldn't get anything for him though.

I'm actually surprised he hasn't looked around (up until the knee of course)

Maybe he has...

 

[1970crow]

What? Lynch is one of our most important players. No way does CEY stay in for him. And I've wanted CEY to get a decent go for years.

Context us that I've posted a few times that we limit our midfield power playing both Lynch and JJ. They're both generally shit when our midfield isn't dominating, so one needs to go. We need a team on the park that can win a genuine hard fought tussle. I don't think both JJ and Lynch can feature in that side, we need more midfield grunt in the team and it's got to come from somewhere.

 

[1970crow]

I have a hunch he wasnt popular enough with a selection panel heavy hitter.

That still doesnt explain the trade

As much as I liked him and didn't want him dicked around, his trade was a good opportunity to draw a line in the sand and send him to a draft. Having said that, we've made a profit on our outward trades ever since. But we should have gotten a 2nd for Lyons, he's a quality player and person.

 

[1970crow]

From what I have heard, we didn’t want to be one paced midfield of similar players. We liked JL but a number of factors came into our decision:

- We were after Gibbs and needed to clear cap room to bring him in. To do that we needed to let JL go, ensure that Henderson’s trigger didn’t activate an extra year of his contract, hence why was he dropped for the final despite being in our top 5 players against West Coast in rd 23.
- Club felt that Matt Crouch and JL were both inside midfielders with similar pace and of similar size and they went with Crouch for obvious reasons.
- There was also Thommo who was getting a game back then but for the long term planning I don’t hink that impacted much.

We didn’t get the Gibbs trade done as Carlton rejected our offer on the final day so we basically lost JL and Henderson for sweet **** all that year.

Thommo wasn't in their best 22 planning at all. They knew he was cooked, hence his late re-contracting, sham coaching role and pity game. His salary divvied by 3 probably would have been enough to add to and keep Lyons. We'd have then had a fit and capable mid/half forward to take into the GF ahead of Otten or the hampered Greenwood. Another to throw into the stoppage rotation to support our undermanned crew.

 

[1970crow]

Except you continue to overlook a number of things
- Douglas is a completely different type of player to either of CEY or Hugh
- Douglas offers more versatility than either of those two. We have played Douglas as an inside mid, outside mid, a small forward and a small defender. Neither CEY or Hugh can play any of those roles. Round 1 Douglas played as a small pressure forward, had 3 shots on goal and around 30 pressure acts. Neither of those two can play that role. Both are more marking types.

You mean neither CEY or Hugh have been afforded the opportunity to play in those roles to find form. Mackay has also that flexibility, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking it's because he's good in those roles. Only senior players that are struggling for form get the chance to be shifted around, as Dougie has in the past. Was much better last year and his spot is not in doubt, but this flexibility thing is a furphy, I bet both CEY and Greenwood would both be fine at either end of the ground if needed.

 

[Ramify]

As much as I liked him and didn't want him dicked around, his trade was a good opportunity to draw a line in the sand and send him to a draft. Having said that, we've made a profit on our outward trades ever since. But we should have gotten a 2nd for Lyons, he's a quality player and person.

Draw a line in the sand over what though?
From the reports Ive heard, he wanted to stay and was willing to for peanuts.

Remember listening to the draft on radio and thinking at the time it seemed like an afterthougt clearing house moment tied into the Gibbs trade.

 

[1970crow]

Draw a line in the sand over what though?
From the reports Ive heard, he wanted to stay and was willing to for peanuts.

Remember listening to the draft on radio and thinking at the time it seemed like an afterthougt clearing house moment tied into the Gibbs trade.

We low balled him from a long way out though. There was a contract offer on the table but it was reportedly barely CPI increase on his current version. And given that he'd proven he could play at the level, it was well unders. Apparently he wasn't after much more, but we refused to budge. There's little doubt we could have kept him had we had the balls to delist Thommo. In any case, our coaches didn't rate him (mistakenly) and once we'd effectively pushed him out the door, we still should have traded hard and forced Suns to pay a reasonable price. That's he context of line in the sand. I'd have kept him ahead of looking after Thommo's ego.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Wait I'm sorry, what?

CEY and Hugh can't be inside mids or forwards?

Last I checked both had been played as inside mids and forwards.

Furthermore you tout Douglas for having 3 shots on goal, but he only kicked 1 of them. Hugh and CEY have both kicked a goal in each game. As for 'pressure forward' do you know how many tackles Douglas managed to lay in round 1? 0.

I'd also argue that Douglas is no better an outside mid or small defender than either of those players, he hasn't exactly excelled at either of those roles.

I now you can be thick but I will try to explain it to you once in hope that the light might just come on as I don’t really have time to argue with idiots.

Douglas is played as a small, crumbing, pressure forward. Neither Hugh or Cam can play that role. They can be another marking option in the forward line but not a small crumbing forward type!

As for pressure, how many pressure acts did Douglas have in round one? Hint: 6th highest!

 

[1970crow]

I now you can be thick but I will try to explain it to you once in hope that the light might just come on as I don’t really have time to argue with idiots.

Douglas is played as a small, crumbing, pressure forward. Neither Hugh or Cam can play that role. They can be another marking option in the forward line but not a small crumbing forward type!

As for pressure, how many pressure acts did Douglas have in round one? Hint: 6th highest!

Both seem pretty good to me when the ball is on the deck in a contested situation. How do you define a "crumb"?

 

[hey shorty]

Both seem pretty good to me when the ball is on the deck in a contested situation. How do you define a "crumb"?

CEY suddenly jumped up in people's thoughts since Thursday hasn't he ?? Let's see him do it again this week

 

[Alwaysacrow]

Solid back up if Mouch, Brouch, Douggy, Greenwood and Hampton aren't playing...but then, where are we!

I agree with with the 1st 4 but I'd take CEY over Hampton any day of the week.

 

[VictorianCrow85]

Thought CEY was pretty good the other night, big improvement on the week prior. Still some fumbles and silly mistakes but I think we need to remember he's coming back from a knee reco, when you consider that and his limited overall AFL exposure he's performed very well. Certainly with our current injury status this is likely to be his sink or swim moment for his career. Good luck to him, I hope he stands up as his body type sure brings something a bit different for us and at times was really valuable against Richmond.

 

[1970crow]

CEY suddenly jumped up in people's thoughts since Thursday hasn't he ?? Let's see him do it again this week

I'm actually more interested as to why Stiffy_18 thinks getting to an aerial contest and then providing a contest on the deck is a skill that Dougie has but neither CEY or Greenwood could possibly possess. With pigeonholing beliefs like that, the inside info he supplies sometimes might just be from himself.

 

[1970crow]

CEY suddenly jumped up in people's thoughts since Thursday hasn't he ?? Let's see him do it again this week

He went ok under Walsh before injury and then tragedy. He also played ok off a flank when covering for Thommo and then Sloane in 2016. It's not really a surprise that he's gone ok when being played in the role he's best at. He needs to though, he won't hold his spot ahead of a fit Brad Crouch, but I Exocet he'll prove a few of the poorer judges wrong along the way.

 

[hey shorty]

He went ok under Walsh before injury and then tragedy. He also played ok off a flank when covering for Thommo and then Sloane in 2016. It's not really a surprise that he's gone ok when being played in the role he's best at. He needs to though, he won't hold his spot ahead of a fit Brad Crouch, but I Exocet he'll prove a few of the poorer judges wrong along the way.

I've rated him pretty highly as a midfielder but not quite ahead of others already there, including JL when he was here.

He's pretty good overhead but his kicking does need work. Happy to see him play and play well though

 

[Alwaysacrow]

People are and have complained about his kicking quite often. I've watched the replay several times now and I didn't see 1 kick that was blatantly bad. The kick into the forward line seemed to be a decent option at the time but was cleverly chopped off. His stray handball in the forward area was an error to be sure but I think the good he did way outweighed any bad. He took a few intercept marks too at important times as well. His best game so far by far. His job now is to back it up. If he can and even do better then the selectors will have a tough decision when we start getting players back from injury.

 

[hey shorty]

I think his decision making makes it look worse. That will come with time at the level.

 

[Vhaluus]

I now you can be thick but I will try to explain it to you once in hope that the light might just come on as I don’t really have time to argue with idiots.

Douglas is played as a small, crumbing, pressure forward. Neither Hugh or Cam can play that role. They can be another marking option in the forward line but not a small crumbing forward type!

As for pressure, how many pressure acts did Douglas have in round one? Hint: 6th highest!

LOL

Yeah you're right, no way Greenwood can get a crumbling goal.

He is only probably the best player on our team as far as collecting the ball off the deck and quickly and accurately disposing of it.

Try watching some football, it might help your arguments be less ridiculous.

http://www.afc.com.au/video/2017-08-04/hugh-greenwood-highlights

Here, now you only need to watch 2 minutes of football.

Greenwood with some great work below his knees including a few crumbed goals.

 

[azza77]

Trying to get the crowd singing out "I said Yolman" in Village People YMCA tune Thursday night. It was starting to catch on.


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I still got my Yolman themed Village people hoodie stashed away at home, waiting for the day to shine.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Greenwood reads the ball amazingly well off hands in marking contests

 

[azza77]

CEY and Greenwood really have that height and size as a point of difference in our side, almost acting as extra link men going up field.

I was seriously critical of CEY after that first game. His work around the ground was non-existent and just not good enough plain and simple.

However, he started off shakily against Richmond, but I thought he had a brilliant game along with Greenwood. With Crouch going down, his role and work on the inside was awesome. His ability to take on the tacklers and still get his hands free was a massive boost imo. He took on 2-3 Richmond players at times, was able to break the tackle and fire off a handball, leaving our players in more space than they’re used to.

I honestly think we should start to look at using CEY and Greenwood more often as our primary mids, and get people like Gibbs, Sloane and the Crouches more involved on the outside. We all saw how good Sloane was around the ground on the weekend. His work in the forward and back half was amongst our best, and he actually excels in these areas quite often when he’s not tied up at the bottom of packs and can roam free. We already know how good Gibbs is around the ground, and Matt crouch has improved significantly in this area.

I’d love to see us roll with this CEY/Greenwood combo more often for a little while and see if they can continue to produce at that level. I’m still critical of CEYs outside work, but if he can play that big-body inside mid and also kick goals forward, the rest of our midfield is going to seriously reap the rewards from it.

 

[hey shorty]

I reckon one of them should be at every stoppage but let's not kid ourselves, the attention goes to Sloane, Crouch and Gibbs.

This allows CEY and Greenwood space and time. I'm not convinced on eithers ability to do that for the full 5 weeks or so that Matt is missing.