Champion Data Prospectus

[Goon_Squad]

Anyone got a copy of the 2014 AFL prospectus? Was a story on it on The Age which stated that Watson and Hibberd were listed in the "Elite" category. Would be interested to see what rating the rest of the team received.

 

[Goon_Squad]

BTW, this is the article:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ed-elite-by-champion-data-20140109-30kgf.html

Essendon
Jobe Watson (mid)
Michael Hibberd (def)

 

[rines]

I always think those things are a waste of time.. honestly.. to say that Angus Monfries (who I do like) is 'Elite' whilst guys like Heppell and Goddard aren't.. well I just don't get that...

I know if I had a choice between Heppell and Gus.. who I'd take

 

[Beerfish]

 

[BrewSmackerVeiny]

I always think those things are a waste of time.. honestly.. to say that Angus Monfries (who I do like) is 'Elite' whilst guys like Heppell and Goddard aren't.. well I just don't get that...

They aren't in direct competition as they don't play the same positions. Elite status is awarded to a player who is classed as statistically in the top few % of their position.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

It's just the top 10% of players per CD-assigned "position" (fairly vague, def/mid/ruck/fwd), ranked by that AFL player ratings thing: http://www.afl.com.au/stats/player-ratings/overall-standings

 

[Pweter]

It's just the top 10% of players per CD-assigned "position" (fairly vague, def/mid/ruck/fwd), ranked by that AFL player ratings thing: http://www.afl.com.au/stats/player-ratings/overall-standings

Sounds like they're getting people geared up for Supercoach

 

[Synth]

I'm guessing Goddard would have got the Elite defender nod as well but they changed his stats to be Midfielder only for 2014.

 

[bomberman500]

BTW, this is the article:
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...ed-elite-by-champion-data-20140109-30kgf.html

Essendon
Jobe Watson (mid)
Michael Hibberd (def)

Melbourne - No elite... you almost feel sorry for them
Port - Only Angus. Although I'm a big fan of ports young list and I expect this to grow in the next few years

 

[Doss]

That article is rubbish and its definition of elite (oh how I hate that word) is odd.

In relation to the above- Monfries is elite yet Nathan Jones isn't? Naaaah.

 

[Pweter]

That article is rubbish and its definition of elite (oh how I hate that word) is odd.

In relation to the above- Monfries is elite yet Nathan Jones isn't? Naaaah.

Especially when, looking at Port, they rate Gus as elite but no room for Wingard in there.

 

[Goon_Squad]

That article is rubbish and its definition of elite (oh how I hate that word) is odd.

In relation to the above- Monfries is elite yet Nathan Jones isn't? Naaaah.

Agree that the definition needs some tweaking, much harder to get into the top 10% as a midfielder than any other position due to the sheer number that are classified as midfielders. Goddard wins b&f but not elite?

 

[Doss]

Yep, ridiculous omission not having Goddard in there.

 

[Whispering_Jack]

It is clearly 100% objective and done on raw numbers, I don't think it has any subjectivity in it so I would take it with a grain of salt. We all know statistics aren't everything.

 

[raskolnikov]

It's elite in their position. Not elite overall. Hence why some players are elite and others aren't. Still, some ratings don't make much sense. You would think Goddard is elite regardless of where he plays. Monfries is not elite in any sense.

 

[Stopher]

It is clearly 100% objective and done on raw numbers, I don't think it has any subjectivity in it so I would take it with a grain of salt. We all know statistics aren't everything.

Yep, apparently 48% of people believe this.

 

[Jade]

It's elite in their position. Not elite overall. Hence why some players are elite and others aren't. Still, some ratings don't make much sense. You would think Goddard is elite regardless of where he plays. Monfries is not elite in any sense.

Monfries is a damn fine player - can't see a forward line in the league he wouldn't slot nicely in to.

 

[rines]

I agree Jade, I think Gus is a great player and a shame we couldn't keep him (could still fit in nicely I think) but any list like this, by nature, will have some irregularities and omissions.

I don't think anyone would pick Gus over Goddard or probably even Wingard or Heppell..

All up the list is pretty accurate and any of the players on it are going to do pretty well!!

 

[Doss]

It's elite in their position. Not elite overall. Hence why some players are elite and others aren't. Still, some ratings don't make much sense. You would think Goddard is elite regardless of where he plays. Monfries is not elite in any sense.

Yeah, it's a fair point you make.

It also sort of underlines why I'm not a fan of the qualification elite in a football sense, full stop.

Does it mean elite in their position? In this context, yes- but many don't use it purely in that context.

And what does 'elite' even quantify in a proportional sense, anyway? Top 5% Top 10%?

It's a lazy rating that is used when one can't be bothered going too in depth, I reckon.

 

[bomberman500]

Yeah, it's a fair point you make.

It also sort of underlines why I'm not a fan of the qualification elite in a football sense, full stop.

Does it mean elite in their position? In this context, yes- but many don't use it purely in that context.

And what does 'elite' even quantify in a proportional sense, anyway? Top 5% Top 10%?

It's a lazy rating that is used when one can't be bothered going too in depth, I reckon.

They probably just make their list of the supercoach prices of players...
Top 10 priced mids are elite haha

 

[Pweter]

They probably just make their list of the supercoach prices of players...
Top 10 priced mids are elite haha

Let's be honest, the top 10 priced SC mids are generally elite.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

They probably just make their list of the supercoach prices of players...
Top 10 priced mids are elite haha

Given that SC prices are based on SC points, and SC points are based on Champion Data's attempt to objectively analyse the league, then yes, that's exactly what they're basing it on.

 

[In Judd we trust]

Sorry to intrude , do any of you have the prospectus this year ? if so how long was the shipping , i just ordered mine and can't wait to get my hands on it . Thanks in advance and all the best in 2014

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Given that SC prices are based on SC points, and SC points are based on Champion Data's attempt to objectively analyse the league, then yes, that's exactly what they're basing it on.

Some of it doesn't quite fit. I thought it might have been the new Players Ratings measure, which CD think much more highly of than the SC measure, but neither explain how Monfries gets a guernsey over Wingard.

 

[Towno78]

Agree that the definition needs some tweaking, much harder to get into the top 10% as a midfielder than any other position due to the sheer number that are classified as midfielders. Goddard wins b&f but not elite?

Um, actually, 10% is 10%. If there's more midfielders, there's inherently more "elite" midfielders by this definition. Chances are the same, irrespective of quantity.
Really, it's harder to be top 10% of midfielders than other positions, because midfielders are just better footballers, therefore you're taking the top 10% from a higher standard.