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[bulletproof]

Cam Guthrie is a terrible defender (makes mistakes, is not desperate), but is a very capable and damaging winger. He is being played out of postion too often.

I would play Kelly permanently half forward and use Guthrie through midfield more. In similar role to what Motlop used to play.

 

[you pick one]

Well we’ve (some of us tbf) have found a new whipping boy.
He’s in our best side. Deal with it

Every player has bad games or bad quarters, he's only human. Not worth shitcanning the poor bloke about. He wasn't alone that night.

The reason we can't take the step from good to great,we except and defend poor performances.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

The reason we can't take the step from good to great,we except and defend poor performances.

Absolute unmitigated piffle.
What we as fans say has absolutely zero bearing on results.

The player in question here at present is in our best side. You’d be wise to come to terms with it.

 

[Chappythechamp]

I don't think you can point the finger at just Cam for the Bulldogs loss. There were a few players who had shit games, and allowed the Bulldog's to bully them out of possession. Taylor did miss a very kickable goal after the siren for the win. I'm not blaming Harry, but it's just an example of how many players had a bad night. Maybe he should go back to the two's as you say, but there's stuff all we can do about that from outside.

It is interesting though, you rightfully say Cam Guthrie should be extended some time to find his feet, which I agree. The inconsistent thing is a "fringe " player like Jackson Thurlow don't play as "bad" as Cam Guthrie has been lately yet don't get afforded the same opportunity to find his feet and gain confidence at senior level post a serious injury. I just had a quick scan at Cams 7 games this year and Jackson's last 9 games at AFL level (5 this year and 4 late last year) Jackson averages slightly more possessions at 17.5 per game far better contested possessions averages and more tackles per game, yet he can't get a run of games to prove himself before he is delisted at seasons end. I guess the "Geelong way" of fairness and accountability doesn't apply to all.

 

[you pick one]

Absolute unmitigated piffle.
What we as fans say has absolutely zero bearing on results.

The player in question here at present is in our best side. You’d be wise to come to terms with it.

Absolutely true,but the sad thing is you are channeling the club on this one.

 

[Pollywaffle]

The reason we can't take the step from good to great,we except and defend poor performances.

Er, I think you mean 'accept' - and you are right. A major difference between this 'corporatised' crackpapering era and the ruthless mob that got us three modern premierships.

 

[you pick one]

Er, I think you mean 'accept' - and you are right. A major difference between this 'corporatised' crackpapering era and the ruthless mob that got us three modern premierships.

Yes and yes.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Absolutely true,but the sad thing is you are channeling the club on this one.

Come again?

My view on the topic is that whilst not starring the criticism is OTT. Some expect him to be a star and criticise when that doesn’t occur. He had a poor night v Adelaide. Was good v Dogs and wasn’t as bad as made out last Sat Night.

I’d be interested in how much the club paid him with his latest re-signing. Dare say they didn’t give him the $$$ they gave our stars. That suggests they don’t expect him to star for us regularly. That doesn’t need to happen though.

I’ll reiterate the criticism is over the top

 

[calder_daddy]

What is the point of potting players on our list - does it make the "potter" feel a bigger person?
Parson's cops a lot of flack and yes he has put in some very poor performances which both he and the MC need to be constructively criticised for , but there's neo need to get personal or be a smart arse about it.
The kid has talent but his body doesn't look ready for consistent AFL exposure yet - if he bulks up , gains confidence and delivers on his potential - happy days.
If he doesn't we move him on - all very unemotional and objective - it's a business after all - he either cuts it or he doesn't.
Don't project your own inadequacies onto our players

Pretty certain her won’t make it in AFL ranks, if our memberships help pay players I expect the players to be out there not jumping at shadows and taking the piss.
I’ve been a hater of him from the start, you could tell the caliber of player he was destined to be.

I’ve never disliked a player more in the AFL in my life, there’s 100’s of players in lower levels who are better and who would perform more consistent than that spud.

Also, this is an opinion forum after all.
You say give him time.
I say he should be delisted and go play for Corio and still wouldn’t manage to get a kick

 

[Mr Meow]

Pretty certain her won’t make it in AFL ranks, if our memberships help pay players I expect the players to be out there not jumping at shadows and taking the piss.
I’ve been a hater of him from the start, you could tell the caliber of player he was destined to be.

I’ve never disliked a player more in the AFL in my life, there’s 100’s of players in lower levels who are better and who would perform more consistent than that spud.

Also, this is an opinion forum after all.
You say give him time.
I say he should be delisted and go play for Corio and still wouldn’t manage to get a kick

If he averages 11 touches per game out of form, out of position tucked away in a forward pocket, it's fair to say for Corio he'd be racking up 50 touches per game. Regularly 25+ possessions at VFL level. He's had a poor year and is badly down on confidence. In his second year, it's fine to build in the VFL for a while.

Gotta love people screaming about the real issues in these threads.

 

[Pollywaffle]

The kid has talent but his body doesn't look ready for consistent AFL exposure yet - if he bulks up , gains confidence and delivers on his potential - happy days.

Yes. Happy with him out of the team ATM but has a bit of Mojo and shouldnt be completely discounted as a player of the future. Are we as a club able to harness that potential? Maybe we lease him to the swans for a year or two then get him back?

 

[you pick one]

Come again?

My view on the topic is that whilst not starring the criticism is OTT. Some expect him to be a star and criticise when that doesn’t occur. He had a poor night v Adelaide. Was good v Dogs and wasn’t as bad as made out last Sat Night.

I’d be interested in how much the club paid him with his latest re-signing. Dare say they didn’t give him the $$$ they gave our stars. That suggests they don’t expect him to star for us regularly. That doesn’t need to happen though.

I’ll reiterate the criticism is over the top

I'm sure you and others are watching him with the Geelong glasses on,to say he was good v the Dog has me shaking my head.
Regardless believe it or not I don't see him as a whipping boy and I certainly don't hate the bloke my frustrations are as much with the MC as with Cam he doesn't pick himself or where he plays.
I feel his fitness,mindset whatever is not there right now and I could accept trying to play him into form in the AFL if it were earlier in the season,however we are on a knives edge right now and he's giving little since his return.
I'd love for him to turn it around this week but I'm not confident.I'd had him in the 2s this week if they were playing,maybe that has saved him this week.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

The reason we can't take the step from good to great,we except and defend poor performances.

I respect your right to have an opinion about a player's performance or if the MC is guilty of favoritism or not. At the end of the day, I really don't give a stuff about such things because I have no control over who's picked or not, and I'm pretty sure they won't be reading BF to get some tips on selection. It's just part of the rollercoaster of barracking for a footy team.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I'm sure you and others are watching him with the Geelong glasses on,to say he was good v the Dog has me shaking my head.
Regardless believe it or not I don't see him as a whipping boy and I certainly don't hate the bloke my frustrations are as much with the MC as with Cam he doesn't pick himself or where he plays.
I feel his fitness,mindset whatever is not there right now and I could accept trying to play him into form in the AFL if it were earlier in the season,however we are on a knives edge right now and he's giving little since his return.
I'd love for him to turn it around this week but I'm not confident.I'd had him in the 2s this week if they were playing,maybe that has saved him this week.

My point summed up right here. This imo is over the top. In the 2’s. Come on now.

 

[Landgraft]

3 kick ins in the third that he saw the ball sail back over his head for a goal each time,hell couldn't hit a target from a kick in.I'd have been that embarrassed I'd have taken myself off.

It was a bad strike rate and a poor result. At the same time, possession from a kick in result in a score conceded two times more often than a score for. It is a vulnerable position at times, especially with us being relatively poor at transitioning the ball out of our back half as a team.

 

[calder_daddy]

If he averages 11 touches per game out of form, out of position tucked away in a forward pocket, it's fair to say for Corio he'd be racking up 50 touches per game. Regularly 25+ possessions at VFL level. He's had a poor year and is badly down on confidence. In his second year, it's fine to build in the VFL for a while.

Gotta love people screaming about the real issues in these threads.

Dunno what games you have been to or been watching.
He has been playing high half forward and up on the wing.
Never seen him starting in the FP

POSSESSION IS SUCH AN OVERRATED STAT.

It’s about what you do with the footy and what you need to do when we don’t have it.
At the bulldogs game I’ve never seen a player look more out of place, he genuinely looked lost.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

 

[Mr Meow]

Dunno what games you have been to or been watching.
He has been playing high half forward and up on the wing.
Never seen him starting in the FP

POSSESSION IS SUCH AN OVERRATED STAT.

It’s about what you do with the footy and what you need to do when we don’t have it.
At the bulldogs game I’ve never seen a player look more out of place, he genuinely looked lost.

Half forward also, but yes, he's often deep inside 50. Very few of his involvements are up on the wing. He's shoehorned into a role he's not suited to.

If it's overrated please stop saying that he can't get a touch, and couldn't for Corio.

If you weren't so obsessive over Parsons you'd be a half decent poster. Now you're just in the same category as the anti-Guthrie guy. He's not even in the AFL side at the moment. It's boring me so I'm moving away from the topic, but I thought I'd point out how sad the nature of the abuse is first. Good luck supporting the team.

 

[The Bandwagon]

It's weird that so much of this discussion has fixated over fringe players who aren't even in the side and Guthrie. As if the two were comparable.

Anyway I'm happy Fogarty is back. Nothing against Jones but he's just not at the same level yet.

And what level is that exactly? It can't be goals because Jones has him covered there. It can't be forward pressure because Jones has him covered there too. So what is it?

Cam Guthrie is a terrible defender (makes mistakes, is not desperate), but is a very capable and damaging winger. He is being played out of postion too often.

I would play Kelly permanently half forward and use Guthrie through midfield more. In similar role to what Motlop used to play.

The midfield is the most important part of the ground. Taking away kelly who is good both inside and out and replacing him with a player that dances around contact and isn't physical enough isn't the smartest move. Guthrie whether anybody can accept it or not isn't desperate or physical enough and his decision making under pressure doesn't make him important to our midfield closing out the season. He's not fast, he's not damaging with the ball and he constantly puts teammates under pressure with his disposal. He'll continue to get selected but reality suggests he needs a kick up the backside, sent back to the VFL and made to earn his place back. Maybe then he won't be as complacent as he looks out on the field and we might see a more forthright approach mixed with effort when he returns. Right now he's going through the motions and is a shell of a player he was 3 or 4 years ago. Now who do we replace him with? A bumper bar would be a better option. At least they see contact coming and take it head on.

 

[calder_daddy]

Half forward also, but yes, he's often deep inside 50. Very few of his involvements are up on the wing. He's shoehorned into a role he's not suited to.

If it's overrated please stop saying that he can't get a touch, and couldn't for Corio.

If you weren't so obsessive over Parsons you'd be a half decent poster. Now you're just in the same category as the anti-Guthrie guy. He's not even in the AFL side at the moment. It's boring me so I'm moving away from the topic, but I thought I'd point out how sad the nature of the abuse is first. Good luck supporting the team.

You stick to knowing SFA about positioning of AFL players.

Don’t mind going in that category, happy to be proven wrong but highly doubt he’ll prove me wrong.

You keep being happy with Mediocre players and I’ll be the guy who expects AFL standard.

Have a good weekend

 

[you pick one]

You stick to knowing SFA about positioning of AFL players.

Don’t mind going in that category, happy to be proven wrong but highly doubt he’ll prove me wrong.

You keep being happy with Mediocre players and I’ll be the guy who expects AFL standard.

Have a good weekend

Is that you Mr Walker?

 

[calder_daddy]

Is that you Mr Walker?

Dunno the reference, but no it’s not

 

[FredLeDeux]

Is that you Mr Walker?

Dunno the reference, but no it’s not

He's not Tangles, he's not The Ghost Who Walks, he's just a very naughty boy.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

If he averages 11 touches per game out of form, out of position tucked away in a forward pocket, it's fair to say for Corio he'd be racking up 50 touches per game. Regularly 25+ possessions at VFL level. He's had a poor year and is badly down on confidence. In his second year, it's fine to build in the VFL for a while.

Gotta love people screaming about the real issues in these threads.

Even in the unlikely chance that what you are saying is true, that doesn’t excuse the fact that he jumps at his own shadow.
Butter soft

 

[patience]

Gotta laugh. Just going through my emails. One minute the supporters are introverted knitters, next thing we are receiving emails regarding crowd behaviour. Are we now the official AFL thugs?