Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - Round 12 vs. West Coast, OS Sat 03/06, 4:35pm

[grayza2018]

Tough choice for the selectors this week, as Bianco, Macrae, Carmichael and Harrison all deserve a go soon, plus Frampton is pretty much right to go?

I can't squeeze any into the 22 though, assuming Frampton not quite ready.

B. Maynard Murphy Quaynor
HB. Noble Moore Markov
C. Crisp Pendlebury J.Daicos
HF. Hoskin-Elliott Mihocek Elliott
F. Hill Cox McCreery
R. Cameron De Goey N.Daicos
I. Adams Ginnivan Mitchell Johnson
E. Bianco (sub) Carmichael Harrison Macrae

 

[Horaceg]

Who would have thought Markov would be a starter, good on him for grabbing his opportunity.

 

[legendstatus]

Who are WCE expecting back for our game???

 

[Fat Jesus]

Allan looks like someone who’d be better around better players.

100% mate.

Tough choice for the selectors this week, as Bianco, Macrae, Carmichael and Harrison all deserve a go soon, plus Frampton is pretty much right to go?

I can't squeeze any into the 22 though, assuming Frampton not quite ready.

B. Maynard Murphy Quaynor
HB. Noble Moore Markov
C. Crisp Pendlebury J.Daicos
HF. Hoskin-Elliott Mihocek Elliott
F. Hill Cox McCreery
R. Cameron De Goey N.Daicos
I. Adams Ginnivan Mitchell Johnson
E. Bianco (sub) Carmichael Harrison Macrae

Only ones deserving a spot are for a like for like.
Can't bring in Macrae as Adams and Mitchell cannot be replaced.

Sidebottom can be replaced with someone like Allan. Does not 100% deserve a chance but it is in front of his home crowd and family.

As danielnajdek said. Some players are better around better players.
I believe Edward is one of these players.

Even Ginni looks average at VFL level.

 

[unplugged]

Who are WCE expecting back for our game???

Haven't ventured across to their board but of those on "test" on their last injury update on the AFL app, all three of Yeo, Hurn and Allen played.

So I don't think anyone of note will be back that didn't play vs. Essendon

 

[Harry O]

Haven't ventured across to their board but of those on "test" on their last injury update on the AFL app, all three of Yeo, Hurn and Allen played.

So I don't think anyone of note will be back that didn't play vs. Essendon

Correct. Pretty much same team. Luke Edwards is out and Sheed was sore after Essendon game and may miss

 

[Pies_10]

Just go over get the job done, come back healthy.
Who cares about percentage when we have games in hand on everyone

 

[sr36]

I understand, but if a defender's opponent gets five Joe the Goose goals he hasn't been given a bath or copped a hiding. I only use that term when a player has been outmuslcled or out paced by his opponent in numerous one on one contests.

He kind of was outmuscled though. He was behind in a few marking contests - no run up - and wasn't big enough to spoil the taller man when the ball came to him from a stoppage. He was unlucky to cop that same situation in a one on one a few times in short succession.

 

[Mollythedolly]

No he didnt, the scumps crucified him .. e.g. Roos forward ran thru and trie dto fend off , Bianco tackled him, forwrd just threw the ball in front of him and fell forward pulling Bianco into his back and the scump awared a push in back free .. absolutely atrocious call .. many more like that

Yeah, he didn’t have a great game in terms of his impact but the umpires clearly got food poisoning at the family restaurant. Pinged him mercilessly..

 

[Kes1984]

Who are WCE expecting back for our game???

Thankfully NickNat, Darling and McGovern are all going to be out.

 

[sr36]

100% mate.

Only ones deserving a spot are for a like for like.
Can't bring in Macrae as Adams and Mitchell cannot be replaced.

Sidebottom can be replaced with someone like Allan. Does not 100% deserve a chance but it is in front of his home crowd and family.

As danielnajdek said. Some players are better around better players.
I believe Edward is one of these players.

Even Ginni looks average at VFL level.

Allan is for next year. Still looks like a Ferrari being driven by a bloke on L plates.

 

[Doc1763]

Thankfully NickNat, Darling and McGovern are all going to be out.

And bloody Kennedy always kicked goals against us!! Thank God he's gone.

 

[Masked Magician]

Maynard's left shoulder is incredibly sore.

Elliott has a left shoulder injury as well that got worse on the weekend.

 

[grayza2018]

100% mate.

Only ones deserving a spot are for a like for like.
Can't bring in Macrae as Adams and Mitchell cannot be replaced.

Sidebottom can be replaced with someone like Allan. Does not 100% deserve a chance but it is in front of his home crowd and family.

As danielnajdek said. Some players are better around better players.
I believe Edward is one of these players.

Even Ginni looks average at VFL level.

I see Bianco as like for like. I'm all for Allan, but only if he's ready. A few casting doubt on that? I can't say I've seen the VFL side recently sadly, hence I lean Bianco's way

 

[Axl the great]

Agreed & it was a mistake.
Moore should be taking the most dangerous opposition forward. He did last week with Curnow & should have been on Larkey from he first bounce.

Murphy got a bath yesterday and the only thing that stopped it being embarrassing was North missing a ton of easy shots.
We were way off it yesterday.

 

[Axl the great]

And bloody Kennedy always kicked goals against us!! Thank God he's gone.

JK always destroyed us agreed.
He’s the only player to look half asleep on the field yet cause so much damage.

 

[No SPIN]

Maynard's left shoulder is incredibly sore.

Elliott has a left shoulder injury as well that got worse on the weekend.

Source???

 

[3rdMan]

Tipping in: Frampton out: Sidebottom and another sub rotation.

McRae has said there are young players in the VFL they'd like to see get games, particularly mentioned Allan as he's one of our best runners. Doesn't mean we'll engineer that by managing players, he's said we won't do that. Seems more that we have some players we rate, and will give them games if needed - injury, suspension or poor form.

 

[NMBB]

......Only ones deserving a spot are for a like for like.
Can't bring in Macrae as Adams and Mitchell cannot be replaced......

Excuse me - there is another opinion...

 

[sr36]

I'm a huge Murphy fan FWIW. I remember posting a couple of years ago that I had faith in him and someone's response was "on what basis?"

Probably me. I thought he was a dud. Can't believe how well he's going.

 

[Jafo]

Who are WCE expecting back for our game???

Josh Kennedy and Nic Nat. But lucky for us one is retired and the other still injured

 

[Fat Jesus]

Excuse me - there is another opinion...

Awesome. Share it with us

 

[sr36]

People keep saying this

It was probably their best side for the season and even then, the only reason they won was accuracy in front of goal

They couldn't miss and we couldn't buy a goal

Plus we hadn't worked out our defensive system yet.

 

[swoop42]

With Sidebottom out and a game against the bottom placed Eagles to come it does present an opportunity to give a couple of our younger players an opportunity.

While it's not a deal breaker our VFL team hasn't been winning, our most recent loss to the Kangaroos was particularly poor and bad timing leading in to this week.

You would expect WHE will simply take the position of Sidebottom within the 22 leaving one opening but whether the selectors decide to make changes beyond that looks unlikely if we take McRae strictly at his word.

So who could come in?

McInnes - Was injured in the first quarter of last weeks VFL game and while we wait to learn how serious it is, it will most likely rule him out of contention. If he's declared fit and we intend on using a combination of half forwards to fill in for Sidebottom he could yet be considered for more forward line depth.

Bianco - Had more disposals than any other Magpie against the Kangaroos so continues to work hard but I question where he fits in win the McRae game plan at AFL level with his lack of leg speed or obvious weapon to differentiate him from his peers. Is a solid well rounded player but what is the elite trait in his game that can see him overcome his weaknesses and transition to senior level regularly?

Macrae - Lower numbers than we've come to expect from him last week but has been developing well over the last 12 months and is one of our most consistent midfield performers. Like Bianco is one paced and a little vanilla but has a defined role within the team as that midfield extractor. His brother gives us hope he still has improvement left in him. If all of De Goey, Mitchell and Adams are named to play against the Eagles he'll likely be overlooked again.

Carmichael - Production wise a quieter game this week but still provided 10 tackles, 6 clearances and 3 scoring shots within his 15 touches. He's still rough around the edges and his kicking in tight needs to get cleaner but he's a thumping kick when given space, strong in the contest and can provide run on the outside. He has plenty to work with. Despite his starring performance against GWS reserves surprisingly wasn't named as an emergency last week so he mightn't be as close to senior selection as some hope. Is his scrappy kicking out of congestion holding him back in the eyes of the coach?

Harrison - His time at Collingwood so far has regularly been interrupted by hamstring injuries but against GWS he played his best game to date and provided a glimpse of why there was a lot of positivity surrounding him during his 21/22 preseason. Didn't find a lot of ball against the Kangaroos but had a nice moment late if I recall correctly where he ran down the opposition, caused a turnover and subsequent goal. It was only a taste but he clearly has traits that McRae wants in his small forwards and it's why (to the surprise of many fans) he's been elevated arguably ahead of time into the squad of 26. If Elliott is sore and could benefit from a rest then who knows he could be the one to replace him.

Allan - I was initially worried Allan was more athlete than footballer when drafted but given his pedigree that was probably always a non issue. His early season form was still a welcomed surprise however, he looked more advanced than I was expecting, he was clean and displayed composure, his kicks could be delivered with real penetration and we saw moments of his vaunted speed. Then he got COVID. Thankfully he showed signs against the Kangaroos he might be coming out the other side of his bout of illness and his 22 disposals was close to double what he produced against GWS. The other thing that stands out with Allan is just his size and you have to keep reminding yourself he's not filling a KP role within our team. It can't be ignored that we'll be playing in Perth this weekend, at this stage it's forecast to be dry which suits a young body with outside running power (more than a contested slog in the wet) and up against a depleted Eagles team he'll probably never get a better opportunity to debut at home in front of family.

 

[Fat Jesus]

With Sidebottom out and a game against the bottom placed Eagles to come it does present an opportunity to give a couple of our younger players an opportunity.

While it's not a deal breaker our VFL team hasn't been winning, our most recent loss to the Kangaroos was particularly poor and bad timing leading in to this week.

You would expect WHE will simply take the position of Sidebottom within the 22 leaving one opening but whether the selectors decide to make changes beyond that looks unlikely if we take McRae strictly at his word.

So who could come in?

McInnes - Was injured in the first quarter of last weeks VFL game and while we wait to learn how serious it is, it will most likely rule him out of contention. If he's declared fit and we intend on using a combination of half forwards to fill in for Sidebottom he could yet be considered for more forward line depth.

Bianco - Had more disposals than any other Magpie against the Kangaroos so continues to work hard but I question where he fits in win the McRae game plan at AFL level with his lack of leg speed or obvious weapon to differentiate him from his peers. Is a solid well rounded player but what is the elite trait in his game that can see him overcome his weaknesses and transition to senior level regularly?

Macrae - Lower numbers than we've come to expect from him last week but has been developing well over the last 12 months and is one of our most consistent midfield performers. Like Bianco is one paced and a little vanilla but has a defined role within the team as that midfield extractor. His brother gives us hope he still has improvement left in him. If all of De Goey, Mitchell and Adams are named to play against the Eagles he'll likely be overlooked again.

Carmichael - Production wise a quieter game this week but still provided 10 tackles, 6 clearances and 3 scoring shots within his 15 touches. He's still rough around the edges and his kicking in tight needs to get cleaner but he's a thumping kick when given space, strong in the contest and can provide run on the outside. He has plenty to work with. Despite his starring performance against GWS reserves surprisingly wasn't named as an emergency last week so he mightn't be as close to senior selection as some hope. Is his scrappy kicking out of congestion holding him back in the eyes of the coach?

Harrison - His time at Collingwood so far has regularly been interrupted by hamstring injuries but against GWS he played his best game to date and provided a glimpse of why there was a lot of positivity surrounding him during his 21/22 preseason. Didn't find a lot of ball against the Kangaroos but had a nice moment late if I recall correctly where he ran down the opposition, caused a turnover and subsequent goal. It was only a taste but he clearly has traits that McRae wants in his small forwards and it's why (to the surprise of many fans) he's been elevated arguably ahead of time into the squad of 26. If Elliott is sore and could benefit from a rest then who knows he could be the one to replace him.

Allan - I was initially worried Allan was more athlete than footballer when drafted but given his pedigree that was probably always a non issue. His early season form was still a welcomed surprise however, he looked more advanced than I was expecting, he was clean and displayed composure, his kicks could be delivered with real penetration and we saw moments of his vaunted speed. Then he got COVID. Thankfully he showed signs against the Kangaroos he might be coming out the other side of his bout of illness and his 22 disposals was close to double what he produced against GWS. The other thing that stands out with Allan is just his size and you have to keep reminding yourself he's not filling a KP role within our team. It can't be ignored that we'll be playing in Perth this weekend, at this stage it's forecast to be dry which suits a young body with outside running power (more than a contested slog in the wet) and up against a depleted Eagles team he'll probably never get a better opportunity to debut at home in front of family.

Nice post Swoop