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Factors at play:

1. Ryan Gamble. I’m torn on this one. On the one hand, if my frame of mind is “play the best 22”, I think Gamble comes straight back in. Of all the options for that 21st/22nd spot, he is the player the brings the most unique qualities. On the other hand, I think there’s merit in making him go back to the VFL and telling him that spots in this side are at a premium and lapses in discipline like his strike last weekend can be more costly than a week on the sidelines. It wouldn't hurt for him to learn a lesson from this by going back to the VFL, working hard and showing that he really wants his spot in the senior team.

2. Brent Prismall. Had a below average game against Sydney when people were expecting big things from him (rightly or wrongly). The question to answer is do you give him more time and get a better idea of where he’s at or do you go down the ruthless path of sending him packing him straight away? My instinct says that we don’t learn anything from dropping him after that performance. Against probably the toughest opponent in the league, in his first AFL game in 12 months, a below average performance doesn’t tell us much at all. In addition, Bomber has been vocal about giving opportunities to the younger brigade early in the season and to drop Prismall after one game would seem to fly in the face of that.

3. Max Rooke. Still seems to be battling. His hardness can never be questioned but he just seems to be lacking a bit of polish and form. My feeling is that now that he is in, there is little point dropping him back to the VFL without having a clear suitable replacement.

4. Harry Taylor. Was reportedly left out against Sydney because of matchups and the fact that Hall wasn’t playing. Freo will go in with Pavlich and one other tall (probably Tarrant or Murphy). Egan is usually our matchup for Pavlich so Taylor could be considered again. The problem is who makes way for him. The answer may be Ling if his ankle doesn’t come up.

5. Shannon Byrnes. Has reportedly got a stack of it in the VFL in the past couple of matches. One wonders what he has been told to work on when he goes back to the VFL as this seems to be Bomber’s usual approach. I doubt that he has been told he needs to get more of the footy. I would suggest one thing he has been told is that if he is to maintain a spot in the side as a small forward then he will need to score more heavily. His 19 goals from 48 AFL matches so far are not going to be the types of numbers that will do the job. His one goal in two VFL matches doesn’t seem to have addressed this point.

So for mine, assuming Ling doesn’t come up:

In: Taylor
Out: Ling (ankle)
 
If Ottens is backs he's in for West.

If Ling is injured I'd say:
In: Gamble
Out: Ling


If nobody is injured than I'd like to see:
In: Gamble
Out: Rooke or Prismall

Rooke seems like he is struggling for fitness and I want Prismall to get a month uninterrupted. Either way Gamble has to be in.
 
If Ottens is backs he's in for West.

If Ling is injured I'd say:
In: Gamble
Out: Ling


If nobody is injured than I'd like to see:
In: Gamble
Out: Rooke or Prismall

Rooke seems like he is struggling for fitness and I want Prismall to get a month uninterrupted. Either way Gamble has to be in.


Ditto - though I think you will find that Otto will come back against Brisbane
 

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I'd bring Taylor straight back in. As Bomber stated, he was stiff to miss, and was realyl only out because of match-up issues. Now that we have to face a tallish forward line next week, we need to bring him straight back in.

Prismall needs to get more of a run. It was a below average game, but he still made a positive contribution overall as opposed to a negative one. He had fairly good efficiency on his disposals... so no turnovers really caught us out.
And anyway, when Ablett and Bartel are racking up 100 disposals each, no wonder he's finding it hard to get the ball!
 
I can't see Ottens coming back this week, especially on a ground the size of Subi.

Prismall deserves another crack at it so he stays for mine.

The guy who should be looking over his shoulder is Rooke - hasn't looked like it this year for mine. The Sydney game was perfect for him and he wasn't all that good. I always felt he was brought back in a little early when a couple of other guys were flying in the twos.

Not to say he isn't in the best 22 - I think he is, just not at the moment.

So, if Rooke goes out, who comes in? I like Gamble for what he adds and the fact he has shown a bit but I agree with catempire, for the sily act of punching Dal Santo he needs to work his way back through the VFL (I doubt it'll take him too long).

Taylor was unluckly to miss last week but that seems more due to match-ups than form. He'd have to be a good match-up for Pavlich or one of the other Freo talls. Remember, McPharlin might start forward (or at least go there are some stage during the game).

OUT - Rooke (omitted)
IN - Taylor

If Ling is injured and can't take his place, let me throw one out there. Subi is a big ground and there was a guy recuited based on his running ability rather than footy ability. In the last two weeks he has caught the eye in the VFL and was named as an emergancy last week.

Simon Hogan - you are my dark horse selection this week.;)
 
Out: Rooke Ling*
In: Gamble Taylor*

*- Wont happen if ling is fit.
 

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I'ts taken Prismall this long to get a gig. So he should be given a chance.
Rooke has been below par for mine.
Out Rooke: In Taylor.
 
Exactly as I see it. Rooke to me has been pretty disappointing so far. I love his hardness and aggression, but he's done nothing in his games back thus far. I'd bring in Taylor for him in a heartbeat.

Like I said weeks ago, he's past his best. Believe it or not he has not been very effective at all since his return from injury last year. The other players have moved well to our current game style, which relies on running hard, sharp disposal and disposal under pressure. Rooke seems to run into opposition and try to ram through them... looks good, but usually is ineffective. Our other mids/defenders ride the tackle and get clean handballs out 90% of the time.
Rooke doesn't seem to be in sync with the others either... looks lost. I noticed it in Sunday and in many other games of late. Thompson looked to try him up forward on Saturday even... no good.

Unfortunately for him, I think the game(Geelong's anyway) has passed him by. I don't think he has the right strings to his bow at this stage. The game has changed significantly in the last 2 years. Lots of running and good disposal is essential to avoid turnovers. Big bodies / crash banging style is not as useful anymore. I'm actually suprised more people are not jumping up and down regarding a call for him to be dropped.... Rooke is a typical favourite, or seems to be.

I think he is trade worthy to be honest... get a good round 1 draft pick! ;) Rooke would get a game for probably every other club... win / win. We no longer require what he offers imo.
 
Like I said weeks ago, he's past his best. Believe it or not he has not been very effective at all since his return from injury last year. The other players have moved well to our current game style, which relies on running hard, sharp disposal and disposal under pressure. Rooke seems to run into opposition and try to ram through them... looks good, but usually is ineffective. Our other mids/defenders ride the tackle and get clean handballs out 90% of the time.
Rooke doesn't seem to be in sync with the others either... looks lost. I noticed it in Sunday and in many other games of late. Thompson looked to try him up forward on Saturday even... no good.

Unfortunately for him, I think the game(Geelong's anyway) has passed him by. I don't think he has the right strings to his bow at this stage. The game has changed significantly in the last 2 years. Lots of running and good disposal is essential to avoid turnovers. Big bodies / crash banging style is not as useful anymore. I'm actually suprised more people are not jumping up and down regarding a call for him to be dropped.... Rooke is a typical favourite, or seems to be.

I think he is trade worthy to be honest... get a good round 1 draft pick! ;) Rooke would get a game for probably every other club... win / win. We no longer require what he offers imo.

He was at his best when he had a big engine and ran with guys like Judd and Goodes. Right now he can only do that in bursts and we had Ling on Goodes which I think is a poor match up. I don't think the game has passed him by as you suggest (many said the same about Ling) but he needs to get that big engine he had back and that's probably not going to come until he does a full preseason. To be honest I wonder if he has lost his hunger for footy with some of the recent articles I have read.
 

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Hope Gamble comesback in, need him for my Dreamteam :D

On another note, i don't think Prismal should be dropped. Give him at least 1 or 2 more matches, you can't expect someone to instantly adjust to the pace of AFL after playing 12 months in the magoos.
 
I think he is trade worthy to be honest... get a good round 1 draft pick! ;) Rooke would get a game for probably every other club... win / win. We no longer require what he offers imo.

He is what's called a 'depth player'.
If we trade our depth, then we'll end up like Essendon did after they traded away Blumfield, Heffernan & Caracella, up sh!t creek.
Fortunately the match committee/coaching panel still value the intangibles he provides...
 
Read my lips.....Rooke will not be dropped.

Although I agree with previous posters regarding his form or otherwise, he would be one of Bomber's first picked each week.
 
Read my lips.....Rooke will not be dropped.

Although I agree with previous posters regarding his form or otherwise, he would be one of Bomber's first picked each week.
agree 100%
and the reason is if lingy is not fully fit then maxy is our next tagger so he will be needed for bell or carr.
 
agree 100%
and the reason is if lingy is not fully fit then maxy is our next tagger so he will be needed for bell or carr.

With all due respect I'll have to disagree with your statement here. If we are looking to tag a tagger then Geelong is in more trouble than I thought. Unless you mean Matt Carr?

For that matter, I don't think Bell has been in sparkling form either this year (happy to be corrected if he has been). Geelong should back their midfield to go head-to-head with Fremantle's

If anyone needs to be sat on in the Freo midfield it would be Palmer, maybe Headland at a pinch.

Not convinced that Rooke would be required this week even if Ling is out injured. Enright could perform a tag if required.
 
I cant believe with the crusade to bring prissa into the team more than half the people want to drop him after a week. Incredulous!
 

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