I agree, neither is ideal. Sturt coming in will help Tabs, so too Fyfe. I think we can find enough for two rucks to do without using them forward all that much, especially against the Hawks.
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I agree, neither is ideal. Sturt coming in will help Tabs, so too Fyfe. I think we can find enough for two rucks to do without using them forward all that much, especially against the Hawks.
I don’t have a problem with using two rucks per se but the Darcy and Meek combo is not a great balance, and especially with a forward set up where they are one of our only go to talls.
There would be entire continents relieved neither of them are currently anywhere near the Suez Canal.
There would be entire continents relieved neither of them are currently anywhere near the Suez Canal.
Think the goal with team selections this week is to have better balance across all three lines.
Logue to come in as full back, replacing Young. Releases Cox to CHB and hopefully allows Ryan and Wilson to attack more. Young injury timing kind of sucks and should immediately come back in when available.
Sturt replacing Schultz giving us a proper medium forward target who is ultra quick, good in the air, and a dead eye in front of goals. Can kick 75m+ goals as well I found out on Friday.
Treacy replacing whichever ruck we don't choose. Baptism of fire both as a 2nd tall forward and pinch hitting ruck but I'd back him in to play a role from what I've seen so far.
Fyfe in to replace Acres. Start him in the midfield and rotate into the forward line. Walters also to rotate mid/fwd. Cerra to rotate mid/wing.
I agree with apuchar who suggested Chapman could play on the wing. Wouldn't mind if they gave him some minutes there. Aish could drop back to cover to allow it. Or we bring in either Duman or Watson to replace Colyer. Ideally Young would still be in and then it'd be easy
B Hughes ~ Logue ~ Conca
HB Wilson ~ Cox ~ Ryan
C Cerra ~ Fyfe ~ Aish
HF Frederick ~ Treacy ~ Sturt
F Switta ~ Taberner ~ Walters
R Darcy ~ Mundy ~ Brayshaw
I/C Serong ~ Giro ~ Chapman ~ Colyer
Sub Acres
In: Logue, Sturt, Treacy, Fyfe, Duman (sub)
Out: Young (inj), Schultz (inj), Meek, Acres, Henry (sub)
Peel/Development
B Hancock ~ Schofield ~ Thomas
HB Ewing ~ Watson ~ O'Driscoll
C Merrett ~ Blakely ~ Duman
HF Bell ~ Middleton ~ Henry
F Western ~ Della Franca ~ Sears
R Meek ~ Valente ~ Howlett
Structure looks much better to me both at Freo and at Peel. Now for Freo to release the injury list and **** it all up.
Logue to come in as full back, replacing Young. Releases Cox to CHB and hopefully allows Ryan and Wilson to attack more. Young injury timing kind of sucks and should immediately come back in when available.
Sturt replacing Schultz giving us a proper medium forward target who is ultra quick, good in the air, and a dead eye in front of goals. Can kick 75m+ goals as well I found out on Friday.
Treacy replacing whichever ruck we don't choose. Baptism of fire both as a 2nd tall forward and pinch hitting ruck but I'd back him in to play a role from what I've seen so far.
Fyfe in to replace Acres. Start him in the midfield and rotate into the forward line. Walters also to rotate mid/fwd. Cerra to rotate mid/wing.
I agree with apuchar who suggested Chapman could play on the wing. Wouldn't mind if they gave him some minutes there. Aish could drop back to cover to allow it. Or we bring in either Duman or Watson to replace Colyer. Ideally Young would still be in and then it'd be easy
B Hughes ~ Logue ~ Conca
HB Wilson ~ Cox ~ Ryan
C Cerra ~ Fyfe ~ Aish
HF Frederick ~ Treacy ~ Sturt
F Switta ~ Taberner ~ Walters
R Darcy ~ Mundy ~ Brayshaw
I/C Serong ~ Giro ~ Chapman ~ Colyer
Sub Acres
In: Logue, Sturt, Treacy, Fyfe, Duman (sub)
Out: Young (inj), Schultz (inj), Meek, Acres, Henry (sub)
Peel/Development
B Hancock ~ Schofield ~ Thomas
HB Ewing ~ Watson ~ O'Driscoll
C Merrett ~ Blakely ~ Duman
HF Bell ~ Middleton ~ Henry
F Western ~ Della Franca ~ Sears
R Meek ~ Valente ~ Howlett
Structure looks much better to me both at Freo and at Peel. Now for Freo to release the injury list and **** it all up.
that's some big insThink the goal with team selections this week is to have better balance across all three lines.
Logue to come in as full back, replacing Young. Releases Cox to CHB and hopefully allows Ryan and Wilson to attack more. Young injury timing kind of sucks and should immediately come back in when available.
Sturt replacing Schultz giving us a proper medium forward target who is ultra quick, good in the air, and a dead eye in front of goals. Can kick 75m+ goals as well I found out on Friday.
Treacy replacing whichever ruck we don't choose. Baptism of fire both as a 2nd tall forward and pinch hitting ruck but I'd back him in to play a role from what I've seen so far.
Fyfe in to replace Acres. Start him in the midfield and rotate into the forward line. Walters also to rotate mid/fwd. Cerra to rotate mid/wing.
I agree with apuchar who suggested Chapman could play on the wing. Wouldn't mind if they gave him some minutes there. Aish could drop back to cover to allow it. Or we bring in either Duman or Watson to replace Colyer. Ideally Young would still be in and then it'd be easy
B Hughes ~ Logue ~ Conca
HB Wilson ~ Cox ~ Ryan
C Cerra ~ Fyfe ~ Aish
HF Frederick ~ Treacy ~ Sturt
F Switta ~ Taberner ~ Walters
R Darcy ~ Mundy ~ Brayshaw
I/C Serong ~ Giro ~ Chapman ~ Colyer
Sub Acres
In: Logue, Sturt, Treacy, Fyfe, Duman (sub)
Out: Young (inj), Schultz (inj), Meek, Acres, Henry (sub)
Peel/Development
B Hancock ~ Schofield ~ Thomas
HB Ewing ~ Watson ~ O'Driscoll
C Merrett ~ Blakely ~ Duman
HF Bell ~ Middleton ~ Henry
F Western ~ Della Franca ~ Sears
R Meek ~ Valente ~ Howlett
Structure looks much better to me both at Freo and at Peel. Now for Freo to release the injury list and fu** it all up.
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Think the goal with team selections this week is to have better balance across all three lines.
Logue to come in as full back, replacing Young. Releases Cox to CHB and hopefully allows Ryan and Wilson to attack more. Young injury timing kind of sucks and should immediately come back in when available.
Sturt replacing Schultz giving us a proper medium forward target who is ultra quick, good in the air, and a dead eye in front of goals. Can kick 75m+ goals as well I found out on Friday.
Treacy replacing whichever ruck we don't choose. Baptism of fire both as a 2nd tall forward and pinch hitting ruck but I'd back him in to play a role from what I've seen so far.
Fyfe in to replace Acres. Start him in the midfield and rotate into the forward line. Walters also to rotate mid/fwd. Cerra to rotate mid/wing.
I agree with apuchar who suggested Chapman could play on the wing. Wouldn't mind if they gave him some minutes there. Aish could drop back to cover to allow it. Or we bring in either Duman or Watson to replace Colyer. Ideally Young would still be in and then it'd be easy
B Hughes ~ Logue ~ Conca
HB Wilson ~ Cox ~ Ryan
C Cerra ~ Fyfe ~ Aish
HF Frederick ~ Treacy ~ Sturt
F Switta ~ Taberner ~ Walters
R Darcy ~ Mundy ~ Brayshaw
I/C Serong ~ Giro ~ Chapman ~ Colyer
Sub Acres
In: Logue, Sturt, Treacy, Fyfe, Duman (sub)
Out: Young (inj), Schultz (inj), Meek, Acres, Henry (sub)
Peel/Development
B Hancock ~ Schofield ~ Thomas
HB Ewing ~ Watson ~ O'Driscoll
C Merrett ~ Blakely ~ Duman
HF Bell ~ Middleton ~ Henry
F Western ~ Della Franca ~ Sears
R Meek ~ Valente ~ Howlett
Structure looks much better to me both at Freo and at Peel. Now for Freo to release the injury list and fu** it all up.
This is pretty much my thinking too (and seems to be [mostly] consensus around the board) - Can we get this across to the club? Seems like they need some help
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Debuting Treacy and making him back up Darcy in the ruck is unfair and fraught with danger.
Not saying I have the answers as to an alternative, but this option would be last on my list, not first.
Not saying I have the answers as to an alternative, but this option would be last on my list, not first.
As some point we've got to prioritise the forward line. It has been our weakest line probably for our entire history. We cannot play two lumbering rucks and jeopardise a chance at a functioning forward line yet again. I think because we have Lobb on our list everyone thinks you need to have some giant second ruck. Heaps of other teams get someone who isn't even a ruck to pinch hit. Your midfield adapts based on whether they think the pinch hitting ruck will lose a tap to advantage or not. Treacy can ruck, he did at Peel in his last game. The only alternative (and not **** up the forward line) is to keep Acres in and play him there - and that sounds even worse imo.
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Agreed, we can adapt to losing ruck hit outs - see round 1 vs Gawn and see Brisbane against Grundy, we cant adapt to carrying Meek for 50% of the game and having an immobile statue in Darcy in the forward for more than 20% of the game.
Meek and Darcy should never play in the same side again unless we have no other option due to injury IMO
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If we are planning on losing the tap, why put our only developing key forward into the fray? I'd rather throw someone like Hughes in there and avoid a potential catastrophe like Treacy getting a long term injury.
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Leave Treacy forward cause he can kick straight. Have Taberner at CHF and ruck in forward line stoppages.
We don't need backs or mids though? Our two weakest positions atm are the wing and the forward line. That's why I recommended Jordan Clark, Bobby Hill and Mitch Georgiades. Adding those players to our side would do wonders and if we play our cards right, shouldn't cost too much. If we lose Cerra than use the picks for Horn.
I know you mean well but I really don't like this kind of thinking. Don't put a player into their own role to avoid them getting an injury? Instead put a random defender in there and in doing so impact the structure of our backline? Every sport I've ever played or coached I've always followed the mantra that when you start to worry about getting injured is when you are most likely to get injured. Unless his rucking technique puts him at high risk of injury let him play the role he has been playing in his footy career to date.
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He doesn't need to ruck the centre bounce either, just do what Geelong do with Hawkins and only use him for F50 stoppages.
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Astonishing anyone could sit through 4 quarters of that and their first reaction is to type Out: Acres as if our problems in that game didn't begin and end inside.
I was just commenting on the Carlton comparison. Also think all three of those names you put up are unlikely.
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So out Serong?
Yep it's the old school method but it still works. Darcy doesn't cross into our 50 so then he doesn't need a rest. Treacy rucks inside 50.
In fairness I'm not sure how anyone could sit through that game and think the problems ended with our inside mids?
It was the catalyst for a poor all round performance but very few of our senior bodied players stood up to try and help them out. If the 191cm 25yo a few short metres away isn't willing to put his body on the line to help protect his young inside mid teammates then why shouldn't he be dumped?
young teams often get beaten up on their away games. That's the next step in the process of development. Learning to deal with that attention in a hostile environment won't happen immediately. Plus our oldies in that game were also largely our smallest players. Might have been different if we'd been able to throw Fyfe into the middle.
Pretty confident we will look a lot better at home this week, particularly with the ins, and Hawks had a physically and emotionally draining game by the end - hopefully spent some tickets against Geelong.
This season will be a bit up and down week to week.
Pretty confident we will look a lot better at home this week, particularly with the ins, and Hawks had a physically and emotionally draining game by the end - hopefully spent some tickets against Geelong.
This season will be a bit up and down week to week.
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First thing for me is, was Treacy recruited as a forward/ruck? Surely, with his skill set, he is a pure forward and playing him in the ruck is only required to get us out of a shit list balance and injury situation? If he is a legit forward/ruck then I agree with you and everything I've said is null and void.
Secondly, The risk/return ratio is too heavily weighted to the risk side of the equation. If we know he won't win the tap, and we know he won't as he's barely key forward height these days let alone ruck height, why take on the risk? WC have done it without a problem with Allen thus far is his career, but it is extremely risky and is only done to allow NN to be the burst player he is.
In my mind, we either run the two rucks off the bench and/or only play Darcy deep in the f50 when he's resting, or get Tab, or someone else, to play the token role. I'm still of the belief playing Treacy there is the worst of the options available
I think Sean Darcy hurt us here got a few good marks inside 50 but his set shot is very unreliable same with Fyfe, if it's not around the corner he usually misses set shots.
Longmuir identified it, and it is a problem we have had for many years now, as too many players running in to the contest/ball leaving plenty of options free on the outside for the opposition.
Unfortunately when you look at changing imdividual players in a team kicking 3 goals and 2 goals respectively added to brilliant defensive work and in Switta"s case excellent support for our back line, probably takes precedence over kicking a few points. The whole team needs to improve their skills but it is early in the season and as we get (pray) some players back, some guys will gradually lose their spot in the team if their skills continue to hurt the team more, in relative terms, to what they offer the team. You want Henry in instead of Shultz or Switta yet his goal kicking has been ordinary. His field kicking has improved but Switta and mostly for Schulz their field kicking has been OK as well and they have actually kicked some goals.
The biggest issue I saw against Carlton other than our young midfield getting beaten up was our lack of structure outside around the stoppage and how that exposed an under sized back line. .
Yeah I've thought about all those things as well but playing two lumbering rucks is simply not viable unless you are playing against traffic cones. You can't put that extra workload on to all your other players, especially when you have a young team.
Treacy was recruited as a KPF but he knows how to ruck. He was decent doing it in the WAFL the other week. Why would we have him rucking at Peel unless we were looking at it as a viable option?
We are also talking about a short term solution here. Once Lobb is back then you'd probably play all of Tabs, Treacy and Lobb in a forward line and it is pretty obvious that Lobb takes the role as the 2nd ruck. As others have said you'd only need him to ruck in the forward line. But if he and Sturt can carry their good form into AFL then maybe he won't that much as we'll have two players that are reliable i50 marks and set shots and won't have to rely on creating stoppages inside 50 to score as much.