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Peter J said:
Agreed. There's no chance Cam is dropped.

His haters on here are clearly unable to get past the fact he has taken longer than normal to establish himself.

Not everyone has the same journey. His has been more complex than most.

Why people just can't be happy we have a 192cm beast successfully doing our inside dirty work is beyond me.
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I have no problem with his inside work. It has been excellent this year.
My problem with him is when the ball exits the stoppage, there is no running (either way), no accountability, looks lazy. His decision making is poor when outside the stoppage also. But not as bad as Hampton or Mackay.
He doesn't deserve to be dropped, but might be as we might end up being too inside heavy. If sloane is used as an outside player this problem could go away though as you have said, and on form plenty of guys deserve to be dropped ahead of CEY
 
GameofSloanes said:
I have no problem with his inside work. It has been excellent this year.
My problem with him is when the ball exits the stoppage, there is no running (either way), no accountability, looks lazy. His decision making is poor when outside the stoppage also. But not as bad as Hampton or Mackay.
He doesn't deserve to be dropped, but might be as we might end up being too inside heavy. If sloane is used as an outside player this problem could go away though as you have said, and on form plenty of guys deserve to be dropped ahead of CEY
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Yeah, that's like criticising Seedsman for his work at the coalface. Great on the outside but a bit lazy at winning clearances from the stoppages.

CEY lays more tackles than any other AFC player * and ranks #15 in the AFL, which suggests he works his butt off around the contest when he doesn't have the ball.

Edit * HG may rank 1 at AFC in this stat. AFL stats currently showing CEY.
 
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Peter J said:
Yeah, that's like criticising Seedsman for his work at the coalface. Great on the outside but a bit lazy at winning clearances from the stoppages.

CEY lays more tackles than any other AFC player and ranks #15 in the AFL, which suggests he works his butt off around the contest when he doesn't have the ball.
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I specifically said when the ball is out of the stoppages. He is excellent when it is in and around the contest.
All players should be looking to tackle and chase whenever possible, so no, it is a valid criticism. If CEY's man runs away from him and kicks a goal because CEY doesn't chase, whose fault is it? All players including guys like seed should do it.
Without CEY so far this year we would probably have a win or 2 less. But other guys that play the same position are better, and do chase. If we have a fully fit squad, I can't see him being best 22.
 

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WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot said:
I don't think CEY makes the team when we have all of Mrouch, Gibbs, Sloane, Brouch and Greenwood available. I'd put Douglas in the midfield rotations ahead of him as I think he offers more points of difference.
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I think with Brouch back we'd still be better with CEY in the stoppage rotations. Sloane and Gibbs would push 2 of Dmac, Knight, Gooch or Rat from our outside rotations. I suppose with Milera back, one of those is already gone. But CEY stays for mine as long as his form warrants.
 
Elite Crow said:
You live in a rabbit hole though.
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Warren

1970crow said:
But you do, it's not even disputable.
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You apparently don't understand what a rose coloured fantasy is - some of you live in the fantasy where every young player on the list is an underrated superstar, I live in the real world where we all saw a squad that wasn't good enough to win a grand final, from a club that abandoned objectivity in favour of skewed internal perceptions, despite repeated warnings.

CEY is a good state league footballer, or a stopgap for a rebuilding team, but that's all. He's far too slow at everything to be a first 22 player in a premiership side.
 
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NTRabbit said:
Warren



You apparently don't understand what a rose coloured fantasy is - some of you live in the fantasy where every young player on the list is an underrated superstar, I live in the real world where we all saw a squad that wasn't good enough to win a grand final, from a club that abandoned objectivity in favour of skewed internal perceptions, despite repeated warnings.

CEY is a good state league footballer, or a stopgap for a rebuilding team, but that's all. He's far too slow at everything to be a first 22 player in a premiership side.
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Your rose coloured fantasy land is where you actually believe that you have a clue when it comes to judging the value of midfielders.
 
Shaz2012 said:
CEY gives away 0.9 frees a game, while Hugh gives away 0.6. Clearly, neither are getting caught holding the ball regularly. Nor are they tackling poorly and giving away frees, or holding on too long off the ball etc. Compare this with Thommo who was giving away 1.4 a game in 2016 and 1.9 a game in 2016 (poor bloke gave away 5 in his last game in 2017 :) ).

CEY is going at 72.7% with 3 clangers per game. Hugh at 62.4% with 3.3 clangers per game. CEY doesn't seem to be off the pace at all here. Hugh could tidy up his disposals, but his best work is in congestion where you expect that it doesnt always come off.

While neither of these guys are pulling elite numbers in terms of disposals, they are both doing really well in terms of contributing to the team. Both will be significantly better players with 15 more games into them.
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CEY reads and plays the congestion and contest so well, there was a moment in both the Richmond and Carlton game where he was surrounded close in by 3-4 players and I was thinking surely he'll have to be caught holding the ball here, he just weaved his way through them and got a handball out into space with someone hanging off him. I was really underestimating what he would bring to the table this year.
 
Peter J said:
Agreed. There's no chance Cam is dropped.

His haters on here are clearly unable to get past the fact he has taken longer than normal to establish himself.

Not everyone has the same journey. His has been more complex than most.

Why people just can't be happy we have a 192cm beast successfully doing our inside dirty work is beyond me.
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I reckon he's having a great year so far, and his skills don't seem nearly as bad as some make out on here.
 

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Elite Crow said:
And back pockets and half back flankers
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I said Laird would be better than Brown, and he is. Brown is a solid small stopper at the ground game, but his big weakness is 1 on 1 marking contests against his own man, and it's exploitable.

Brown does a job, which is fine, but let's not lionise him unnecessarily.
 
MRB37 said:
His ability to take a contest mark is also something sorely lacking from our other midfielders (Gibbs seems OK at this too though).
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4.0 isnt too bad either. I remember before he did his knee the last time he slotted some beauties from tough angles as well.

Edit: Compares well to 4.11 that a certain number 3 draft pick is on at the minute :)
 
From Douglas' presser today it doesn't sound like Knight has done much training; wouldn't be surprised if he isn't ready to play again (uhoh, here come the hamstring conspiracy theorists again...).

Seems it'll likely just be Tex and Sloane for Fogarty and Milera. Fire up, Gooch.
 
GameofSloanes said:
I specifically said when the ball is out of the stoppages. He is excellent when it is in and around the contest.
All players should be looking to tackle and chase whenever possible, so no, it is a valid criticism. If CEY's man runs away from him and kicks a goal because CEY doesn't chase, whose fault is it? All players including guys like seed should do it.
Without CEY so far this year we would probably have a win or 2 less. But other guys that play the same position are better, and do chase. If we have a fully fit squad, I can't see him being best 22.
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Not saying he's a good chaser, but if wewe' to be honest m crouch is even worse than CEY when it comes to that.

Not only does he not chase, but his tackling isn't as good.

But we don't mind that as he over produces in other areas.

I don't think CEY is a terrible chaser myself, he's not as good as other players I agree, but as the big bodied midfielder I think he's fine. How much does Kennedy, Cripps, Fyfe chase for example? I think it's just a by product of their size when playing against smaller midfielders. Fact is they will always be slower.
 
conVINCEd said:
From Douglas' presser today it doesn't sound like Knight has done much training; wouldn't be surprised if he isn't ready to play again (uhoh, here come the hamstring conspiracy theorists again...).

Seems it'll likely just be Tex and Sloane for Fogarty and Milera. Fire up, Gooch.
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What do you mean hamstring conspiracy theorists? Are you trying to suggest we haven’t had hamstring injuries and that we haven’t tried to hide some of them?
 

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Elite Crow said:
What do you mean hamstring conspiracy theorists? Are you trying to suggest we haven’t had hamstring injuries and that we haven’t tried to hide some of them?
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I was being tongue in cheek - I'm willing to believe the club re Knight until the alternative is proven but I totally understand why people think we're trying to hide another hamstring injury by 'resting' him.
 

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