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I hate to hear this from a Hawks troll but I think you are right.
I like the way it declares this as though anyone actually gives a shit.True... we had an off day. The difference is we came out the next week and hammered a shit team by 100 points.
You came out the next week and got beaten up by a shit team.
That's the difference between good sides and pretenders.
Everyone has a bad game it's how u respond that counts.
Hammer Richmond and I will remove the pretender label.
He plays mid field in the SANFL and regularly makes our best 3 or 4 with Summo.
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Immature body injury a little worse than we had hoped..... If worse comes to worse and the AFL ask questions we switch X-rays.Frampton's fitness tests till round 11 could be amusing
OUT: O'Shea (whoops)
You had me at hello.I've had a good look at the Hawks game this week and it has only confirmed to me that we need to stop playing Westhoff in defensive 50, when things are going well the individual parts of the team don't matter so much and can be the things that really enhance the team whether that be being a bit fancy, doing a handstand like Aker or having a man bun but these are the things that draw criticism when things aren't going so smoothly. This week hopefully we strip everything back and get back to doing the basics of team football. When we're up and about Hoff can play that roaming game and with Ryder that can work but it's gone way too far.
Watching the Hawks game again, they kicked the first goal of the last quarter and we put Hoff straight back into defense... We went defensive and tried to defend the lead and hold on rather than win the game. We wonder why they had so many repeat entries, well it's because Westhoff was standing in the defensive 50 on no one so we'd win it back but had no one to win it 100 metres from goal and Hawks used the extra numbers to create run and eventually any team but Hawks especially will hurt you. We were praised for our last line of defense and scraping but we're being weak and giving the defense too much of a cop-out. Sitting back and putting numbers behind the ball means the game is in our defensive half and the forwards can't pressure because their so out numbered and I don't think we should praise the defense for doing so well when we're inviting so much pressure, sure two-way running from the midfield is pivotal to help the defense out and obviously in the last couple of minutes in each quarter especially if the opposition have kicked a couple of goals having Westhoff drift into defense is fine but not at the 4 min mark of a bloody quarter and because we were under siege he stayed in defense, but the whole reason we were under so much pressure was we had nothing forward of centre, nothing and no one to link wing to forward 50 the exact role Westhoff should be playing! When Ryder is in the ruck Westhoff should be playing closer to goal and when Ryder is up forward thats when Westhoff can really work his opponent over, he has to take a leaf out of Riewoldt's book and really use his aerobic capacity and blow his opponent up working up and back being the link between half back and forward 50. I saw against the Lions Westhoff got back but his opponent followed him, in what world is that a win for us, having a forward not even playing loose in defense, thats a win for the opposition. We already have Carlile, Trengove, Hombsch and Jonas so we don't need anymore height or lumbering 6'8' players in defense, especially when the oppositions most dangerous forwards are smalls like Betts, Rioli and Green last week.
If we need someone to play a loose man role surely Krak or Broady would be better for that role having more speed and better skills without having to sacrifice a key forward and our whole attacking structure to achieve defensive security. I don't know if it's player initiated or the coach's instruction but we're being far too defensive and it means we can't use our run, our defense is capable and even if we do get beaten in the clearances and in the midfield we have the quality to win the ball back but we have to back ourselves so that we have the weapons and structure in place on the rebound otherwise we're going nowhere fast. Taking it on is a lot easier when you look up and see proper options, but like in the Hawks game being at the game you could see we'd get the ball back and we wouldn't run on knowing we have nothing ahead. Our list is better than 14 other teams so why not beat them fair and square one on one. This is why people are saying that it may have looked like we were trying but our skills were shocking, well it's because coming out of defensive 50 we have no options and turn it over. A few games last year we won the inside 50s but players hit us on the counter which is how we beat the Crows, but I'd rather lose pressing teams and getting caught out than moving away from our attacking style and losing our run because we're too defensive minded. Another thing I hate is young players making their debut as sub then being dropped, sure they get the experience of AFL but wouldn't it be better for them to stay in the SANFL getting a full game than play for a quarter for 3 weeks then going back? The sub role can go to outside runners that are lacking form like Mitchell, White, Stewart and Krak who can come on and create run.
I don't think it does much for young player's development for them to play a quarter a week until they get dropped, they might as well stay in the SANFL, however Amon sub is fine as he's a half forward and a hard runner as long as he then gets a full game but why play Ah Chee sub when he's a clearance player yet play Mitchell and White for full games. The problem last week is we played 4 half back flankers plus O'Shea and didn't replace Wines and Polec who are ball winners and get plenty of the ball, surely we can't play both Krak and Impey if both Broady and Pittard are fit, the same way we probably can't play both Amon and Neade as their playing the same role and it would be too many players who will get around the 15 disposal mark playing for a player who would get 25 like Wines, especially if those touches are either forward or defense because who is making up the 25 touches in the middle? But more importantly if you're playing Wingard and Gray through the middle to cover Wines and Polec then we need another half forward to help Monfries. Unfortunately if match ups don't suit then maybe Jonas or Trengove may have to play different roles, maybe they should develop swing-man roles. I think Hombsch would be great swinging forward as he's such a great natural mark, there's so much Chad Cornes about him but he's still in that critical 30-80 games mark of learning so since he's playing so well I wouldn't want to mess with that but I reckon if we come up against teams like Adelaide with limited tall defensive option why not play Jonas or Trengove forward for a quarter and see how they go.
For me these are the changes we should do this week:
Out: O'Shea Mitchell Impey/White (Who ever stays in the side should be sub)
In: Carlile Wines Stewart
Give Amon a full game playing half forward with Wingard and Gray playing a bit more in the midfield. Richmond have Riewoldt, Vickey, Griffiths and McBean which for this week is perfect for our four talls so we don't need all four of our half backs so either Impey or Kraks need to be dropped down. Once Cornes has retired, Young, Ah Chee, Neade and Impey to contend hotly for spots. For mine Amon & Neade should be given opportunity before Sam Gray in the same way Ah Chee, Young, Colquhoun should be given opportunity over Mitchell. Moore is now in the Stewart category, bring in when in top form but potential is over its about bringing them in when they're playing in top form.
I've had a good look at the Hawks game this week and...
No he'll slot 4 easy goalsWhite , I know he has been selected but looks to be playing injured.
His selection surprised me. Maybe might be changed later you think?
I've had a good look at the Hawks game this week and it has only confirmed to me that we need to stop playing Westhoff in defensive 50, when things are going well the individual parts of the team don't matter so much and can be the things that really enhance the team whether that be being a bit fancy, doing a handstand like Aker or having a man bun but these are the things that draw criticism when things aren't going so smoothly. This week hopefully we strip everything back and get back to doing the basics of team football. When we're up and about Hoff can play that roaming game and with Ryder that can work but it's gone way too far.
Watching the Hawks game again, they kicked the first goal of the last quarter and we put Hoff straight back into defense... We went defensive and tried to defend the lead and hold on rather than win the game. We wonder why they had so many repeat entries, well it's because Westhoff was standing in the defensive 50 on no one so we'd win it back but had no one to win it 100 metres from goal and Hawks used the extra numbers to create run and eventually any team but Hawks especially will hurt you. We were praised for our last line of defense and scraping but we're being weak and giving the defense too much of a cop-out. Sitting back and putting numbers behind the ball means the game is in our defensive half and the forwards can't pressure because their so out numbered and I don't think we should praise the defense for doing so well when we're inviting so much pressure, sure two-way running from the midfield is pivotal to help the defense out and obviously in the last couple of minutes in each quarter especially if the opposition have kicked a couple of goals having Westhoff drift into defense is fine but not at the 4 min mark of a bloody quarter and because we were under siege he stayed in defense, but the whole reason we were under so much pressure was we had nothing forward of centre, nothing and no one to link wing to forward 50 the exact role Westhoff should be playing! When Ryder is in the ruck Westhoff should be playing closer to goal and when Ryder is up forward thats when Westhoff can really work his opponent over, he has to take a leaf out of Riewoldt's book and really use his aerobic capacity and blow his opponent up working up and back being the link between half back and forward 50. I saw against the Lions Westhoff got back but his opponent followed him, in what world is that a win for us, having a forward not even playing loose in defense, thats a win for the opposition. We already have Carlile, Trengove, Hombsch and Jonas so we don't need anymore height or lumbering 6'8' players in defense, especially when the oppositions most dangerous forwards are smalls like Betts, Rioli and Green last week.
If we need someone to play a loose man role surely Krak or Broady would be better for that role having more speed and better skills without having to sacrifice a key forward and our whole attacking structure to achieve defensive security. I don't know if it's player initiated or the coach's instruction but we're being far too defensive and it means we can't use our run, our defense is capable and even if we do get beaten in the clearances and in the midfield we have the quality to win the ball back but we have to back ourselves so that we have the weapons and structure in place on the rebound otherwise we're going nowhere fast. Taking it on is a lot easier when you look up and see proper options, but like in the Hawks game being at the game you could see we'd get the ball back and we wouldn't run on knowing we have nothing ahead. Our list is better than 14 other teams so why not beat them fair and square one on one. This is why people are saying that it may have looked like we were trying but our skills were shocking, well it's because coming out of defensive 50 we have no options and turn it over. A few games last year we won the inside 50s but players hit us on the counter which is how we beat the Crows, but I'd rather lose pressing teams and getting caught out than moving away from our attacking style and losing our run because we're too defensive minded. Another thing I hate is young players making their debut as sub then being dropped, sure they get the experience of AFL but wouldn't it be better for them to stay in the SANFL getting a full game than play for a quarter for 3 weeks then going back? The sub role can go to outside runners that are lacking form like Mitchell, White, Stewart and Krak who can come on and create run.
I don't think it does much for young player's development for them to play a quarter a week until they get dropped, they might as well stay in the SANFL, however Amon sub is fine as he's a half forward and a hard runner as long as he then gets a full game but why play Ah Chee sub when he's a clearance player yet play Mitchell and White for full games. The problem last week is we played 4 half back flankers plus O'Shea and didn't replace Wines and Polec who are ball winners and get plenty of the ball, surely we can't play both Krak and Impey if both Broady and Pittard are fit, the same way we probably can't play both Amon and Neade as their playing the same role and it would be too many players who will get around the 15 disposal mark playing for a player who would get 25 like Wines, especially if those touches are either forward or defense because who is making up the 25 touches in the middle? But more importantly if you're playing Wingard and Gray through the middle to cover Wines and Polec then we need another half forward to help Monfries. Unfortunately if match ups don't suit then maybe Jonas or Trengove may have to play different roles, maybe they should develop swing-man roles. I think Hombsch would be great swinging forward as he's such a great natural mark, there's so much Chad Cornes about him but he's still in that critical 30-80 games mark of learning so since he's playing so well I wouldn't want to mess with that but I reckon if we come up against teams like Adelaide with limited tall defensive option why not play Jonas or Trengove forward for a quarter and see how they go.
For me these are the changes we should do this week:
Out: O'Shea Mitchell Impey/White (Who ever stays in the side should be sub)
In: Carlile Wines Stewart
Give Amon a full game playing half forward with Wingard and Gray playing a bit more in the midfield. Richmond have Riewoldt, Vickey, Griffiths and McBean which for this week is perfect for our four talls so we don't need all four of our half backs so either Impey or Kraks need to be dropped down. Once Cornes has retired, Young, Ah Chee, Neade and Impey to contend hotly for spots. For mine Amon & Neade should be given opportunity before Sam Gray in the same way Ah Chee, Young, Colquhoun should be given opportunity over Mitchell. Moore is now in the Stewart category, bring in when in top form but potential is over its about bringing them in when they're playing in top form.

Norwood then?I don't think this poster is actually a hawks supporter.
Early call Mr Sarcasm. 3 to go outDon't you be questioning the credentials of "Mr Inside Info" m8.
by the way I don't regard White as a big outEarly call Mr Sarcasm. 3 to go out
achee does not have the tank for 4 quarters. Neither does Krak but that's another storyLooking at ins and outs for this weekat least I can say that the selectors have been consistent this year...consistently shit that is. No offence to Sammy Gray, but ffs, the way we have managed Ahchee the last few weeks has been nothing but deplorable.
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I've got a migraine now!I've had a good look at the Hawks game this week and it has only confirmed to me that we need to stop playing Westhoff in defensive 50, when things are going well the individual parts of the team don't matter so much and can be the things that really enhance the team whether that be being a bit fancy, doing a handstand like Aker or having a man bun but these are the things that draw criticism when things aren't going so smoothly. This week hopefully we strip everything back and get back to doing the basics of team football. When we're up and about Hoff can play that roaming game and with Ryder that can work but it's gone way too far.
Watching the Hawks game again, they kicked the first goal of the last quarter and we put Hoff straight back into defense... We went defensive and tried to defend the lead and hold on rather than win the game. We wonder why they had so many repeat entries, well it's because Westhoff was standing in the defensive 50 on no one so we'd win it back but had no one to win it 100 metres from goal and Hawks used the extra numbers to create run and eventually any team but Hawks especially will hurt you. We were praised for our last line of defense and scraping but we're being weak and giving the defense too much of a cop-out. Sitting back and putting numbers behind the ball means the game is in our defensive half and the forwards can't pressure because their so out numbered and I don't think we should praise the defense for doing so well when we're inviting so much pressure, sure two-way running from the midfield is pivotal to help the defense out and obviously in the last couple of minutes in each quarter especially if the opposition have kicked a couple of goals having Westhoff drift into defense is fine but not at the 4 min mark of a bloody quarter and because we were under siege he stayed in defense, but the whole reason we were under so much pressure was we had nothing forward of centre, nothing and no one to link wing to forward 50 the exact role Westhoff should be playing! When Ryder is in the ruck Westhoff should be playing closer to goal and when Ryder is up forward thats when Westhoff can really work his opponent over, he has to take a leaf out of Riewoldt's book and really use his aerobic capacity and blow his opponent up working up and back being the link between half back and forward 50. I saw against the Lions Westhoff got back but his opponent followed him, in what world is that a win for us, having a forward not even playing loose in defense, thats a win for the opposition. We already have Carlile, Trengove, Hombsch and Jonas so we don't need anymore height or lumbering 6'8' players in defense, especially when the oppositions most dangerous forwards are smalls like Betts, Rioli and Green last week.
If we need someone to play a loose man role surely Krak or Broady would be better for that role having more speed and better skills without having to sacrifice a key forward and our whole attacking structure to achieve defensive security. I don't know if it's player initiated or the coach's instruction but we're being far too defensive and it means we can't use our run, our defense is capable and even if we do get beaten in the clearances and in the midfield we have the quality to win the ball back but we have to back ourselves so that we have the weapons and structure in place on the rebound otherwise we're going nowhere fast. Taking it on is a lot easier when you look up and see proper options, but like in the Hawks game being at the game you could see we'd get the ball back and we wouldn't run on knowing we have nothing ahead. Our list is better than 14 other teams so why not beat them fair and square one on one. This is why people are saying that it may have looked like we were trying but our skills were shocking, well it's because coming out of defensive 50 we have no options and turn it over. A few games last year we won the inside 50s but players hit us on the counter which is how we beat the Crows, but I'd rather lose pressing teams and getting caught out than moving away from our attacking style and losing our run because we're too defensive minded. Another thing I hate is young players making their debut as sub then being dropped, sure they get the experience of AFL but wouldn't it be better for them to stay in the SANFL getting a full game than play for a quarter for 3 weeks then going back? The sub role can go to outside runners that are lacking form like Mitchell, White, Stewart and Krak who can come on and create run.
I don't think it does much for young player's development for them to play a quarter a week until they get dropped, they might as well stay in the SANFL, however Amon sub is fine as he's a half forward and a hard runner as long as he then gets a full game but why play Ah Chee sub when he's a clearance player yet play Mitchell and White for full games. The problem last week is we played 4 half back flankers plus O'Shea and didn't replace Wines and Polec who are ball winners and get plenty of the ball, surely we can't play both Krak and Impey if both Broady and Pittard are fit, the same way we probably can't play both Amon and Neade as their playing the same role and it would be too many players who will get around the 15 disposal mark playing for a player who would get 25 like Wines, especially if those touches are either forward or defense because who is making up the 25 touches in the middle? But more importantly if you're playing Wingard and Gray through the middle to cover Wines and Polec then we need another half forward to help Monfries. Unfortunately if match ups don't suit then maybe Jonas or Trengove may have to play different roles, maybe they should develop swing-man roles. I think Hombsch would be great swinging forward as he's such a great natural mark, there's so much Chad Cornes about him but he's still in that critical 30-80 games mark of learning so since he's playing so well I wouldn't want to mess with that but I reckon if we come up against teams like Adelaide with limited tall defensive option why not play Jonas or Trengove forward for a quarter and see how they go.
For me these are the changes we should do this week:
Out: O'Shea Mitchell Impey/White (Who ever stays in the side should be sub)
In: Carlile Wines Stewart
Give Amon a full game playing half forward with Wingard and Gray playing a bit more in the midfield. Richmond have Riewoldt, Vickey, Griffiths and McBean which for this week is perfect for our four talls so we don't need all four of our half backs so either Impey or Kraks need to be dropped down. Once Cornes has retired, Young, Ah Chee, Neade and Impey to contend hotly for spots. For mine Amon & Neade should be given opportunity before Sam Gray in the same way Ah Chee, Young, Colquhoun should be given opportunity over Mitchell. Moore is now in the Stewart category, bring in when in top form but potential is over its about bringing them in when they're playing in top form.
I think you're right. Seeing him labour even with an open paddock in front of him says it all. Amon'll grab his role in the 18 imoWhite , I know he has been selected but looks to be playing injured.
His selection surprised me. Maybe might be changed later you think?
Then let him loose for 3qts and sub him. Giving him a Qtr here and there ain't going to do wonders for his match fitness either. The lad showed more grunt and balls in the stoppages during his short cameos then most of our established starting 22. Completely mismanaged, and a good way of destroying a players confidence.achee does not have the tank for 4 quarters. Neither does Krak but that's another story

