Prediction Changes Vs Collingwood round 4

[WCE_phil]

Still on for collingwood by 60+

 

[Rowan18]

Still on for collingwood by 60+

I'm starting to build false hope again. With two of their good players out (DeGoey and Adams), the teams are looking a lot better matched on paper. Fitness and gameplan are the big unknowns.

 

[ep2018]

Still on for collingwood by 60+

Two big outs for the pies, reckon we'll run them close but most likely lose still.

 

[DanWCE]

I'm starting to build false hope again. With two of their good players out (DeGoey and Adams), the teams are looking a lot better matched on paper. Fitness and gameplan are the big unknowns.

Players returning from Covid will be our downfall. If you ever considered we were 50-50 last week (I got sucked in too) then I think some adjusting of expectations is required.

The Pies could play without a ruck and still whack us.

 

[Spooky17]

I thought we were a sneaky chance last week against Freo, and we lost by 55.

I think we are a good chance this week against the pies.

By that logic… Pies by 100.

 

[Astro7]

I'll just park this here since it's a prediction thread.
TAB has $101 on WCE to win the GF!
Drop 200 for a very, very, very, wild chance of 20K.
Might be better investing in a Lotto ticket...?

 

[Grahame]

Petch really isn't a defender. Half forward is his go and he has consistently got better each year excluding last weeks game. He lit up round one and in round 2 still had 4 shots on goal.

Sums it up really. Five years in the system and we’re still debating his merit.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Sums it up really. Five years in the system and we’re still debating his merit.

That doesn’t say much. We can debate the merit of someone who played for more than a decade and who’s been retired for years.

 

[javaguice]

A lot of players who play over 100 games eventually become serviceable.

 

[Rowan18]

That doesn’t say much. We can debate the merit of someone who played for more than a decade and who’s been retired for years.

And won a brownlow

 

[eaglespremiers]

And won a brownlow

Don't bring Shane Woewodin into this.

 

[ROO DOGG]

Oscar looking sexy af

No wonder his foot broke in half carrying all that buff, but yes sexy as F@#k

 

[ROO DOGG]

A lot of players who play over 100 games eventually become serviceable.

didn't Shep take ages to even break into the team let alone star for us, everyone was writing him off big time before Simpson became coach and Shep had a breakout season.

 

[Scotland]

To be fair Langdon has played over 200 games if you include all his junior footy and every time he’s kicked the ball with mates in a park.

More games than Brent Harvey and Michael Tuck if you include rounds of Mario Kart and Uno.

I like the Shuey idea. The teams that dominate set up their fast movement and attack for the defensive 50. By the time we dither around in defence the old fashion flood is set in place, JD and Jk double and tripple teamed. The only option is to bomb it long which is bread and butter for defenders to counter.

I probably need a new TV as I often see lesser eagles players on their own insode 50- it must be my imagination because only Willie ever sees and uses them.

I need to attend some games and watch from the nosebleeds because I don't get our setup. We always seem to have multiple players in defensive 50 when we have the ball. Lack of run and spread? Lack of creativity to penetrate opposition zones? Other teams seem to just get the ball out of defensive 50 and before you know it it's empty real estate.

 

[Fatty rules]

I understand all the frustration about, but many of the complaints just feed back to the fact that we have rolling injuries and Covid related problems with players and that we have lots of new faces out there before their time, let alone players from the Wafl, and those that have never played at AFL level before. Even players returning from Covid take time to recover, it's an unknown.

In a normal season with a fit best 22 list, many of these players wouldn't be seen in a game this year, or maybe late in the season for some players (depending on their improvement or our injury list). Even if we had our best 22 playing next week or the week after, there wouldn't be sufficient synergy with each other or the game plan, and some are still Covid recovering.

For critics of the game plan or lack of, that can't be judged fair and square because it doesn't have a chance to breathe or come alive, due to the lack of connectivity amongst players and the revolving door of ins and outs. Some players have never met or barely know each other or trained briefly -what can you expect from that? What we have each week is a patched together rabble playing their hearts out for one quarter, before the obvious cracks appear and it turns into shambolic football. It's no ones fault, it's hard to blame anyone given the circumstances, when the whole club is flying by the seat of their pants.

Sure, the game plan around the backline is looking like groundhog day. Under normal circumstances it would be getting tuned and tweaked already, but it's just currently under immense pressure with the backline struggling to maintain possession of the ball, let alone be creative or adhere to a new game plan (without the best 22 to help prop it up). It's not pretty either way.

The midfield has been skeletal, how can it be judged. The coaches are generally just getting names out there to fill spots and keep the AFL juggernaut rolling.

There are coaching moments that are baffling, like taking Nelson off Brayshaw. People want the coach to take risks, so he gambles on being more attacking in next quarter, releases Nelson from a negative role and it...fails. But he took a risk, we saw the attacking start of the 2nd half, there was a flutter of hope, the crowd came alive, but they couldn't maintain it due to lack of experience, skills, speed, being gassed? It was ugly. We were losing regardless. We just lost by more.

I reckon there are some positives in amongst all this chaos, you just have to let go of the expectations of a normal season. Depending on our injury list and Covid, the 2nd half of season might have a silver lining. But obviously we have to suspend thoughts of points, ladder position, finals and flags. We might get to see a full team building and playing better football as the season progresses, or the wheels might fall off like 2021 and we collapse in a heap, start a rebuild and get some good draft picks - which is a silver lining in itself, albeit long term....

It's just really hard to judge the coaching and game plan at present, will get a better idea when we have approximately our best 22 out there, or close to it...and if it's the same old groundhog dirge, with little improvement from our new midfield coaches or head coach and senior players, then open the floodgates of change I say...bring in the big broom and sweep out the mud and crud!

Agree. Depending on when players return, the 2nd half of the year might not even give enough time to make an assessment, not that I'm against change. And the virus of the day has multiple and so far unpredictable consequences which affect many organs including muscles. For some players it might not be just a week or so to get back to form after being infected.

 

[The_Gambler]

I'm starting to build false hope again. With two of their good players out (DeGoey and Adams), the teams are looking a lot better matched on paper. Fitness and gameplan are the big unknowns.

I think they are the knowns. Fitness bad, can’t run out 4 quarters. Game plan unchanged. Death, taxes and kicking it long to the right after a behind. The unknowns are if we have a dip, and for how long.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Having a guess at the announcement. Saturday game means no annoying extended squad.

In: Rioli, Barrass, Shuey, Duggan
Out: Jones (hammy), Rotham, West, Hough

B: Hurn, Barrass, Edwards
HB: Witherden, McGovern, Duggan
C: Gaff, Shuey, Naish
HF: Rioli, Darling, Petruccelle
F: Ryan, Kennedy, Langdon
R: Naitanui, Redden, SPS
I: Foley, Nelson, Edwards, Dixon
E: Hough (sub), Rotham, West (flying), Williams

Edwards in ahead of Rotham, he and Barrass can take Cameron and Mihocek, Gov can take a less dangerous forward and zone off.

Ledwards beats West for the final mid spot. Dixon beats Williams for the ruck spot. Jones not risked.

Williams, Waterman, O’Neill, Winder, Jamieson and Jilliams would then be available for WAFL.

 

[bh90210fan]

I hope Ryan’s had a good week on the track because last weekend he wasn’t interested at all. He came out of the race and while everyone else was warming up and doing run throughs after half time he just lagged behind and couldn’t be assed. If somethings bothering him leave him behind and bring in Waterman.

 

[Rowan18]

Having a guess at the announcement. Saturday game means no annoying extended squad.

In: Rioli, Barrass, Shuey, Duggan
Out: Jones (hammy), Rotham, West, Hough

B: Hurn, Barrass, Edwards
HB: Witherden, McGovern, Duggan
C: Gaff, Shuey, Naish
HF: Rioli, Darling, Petruccelle
F: Ryan, Kennedy, Langdon
R: Naitanui, Redden, SPS
I: Foley, Nelson, Edwards, Dixon
E: Hough (sub), Rotham, West (flying), Williams

Edwards in ahead of Rotham, he and Barrass can take Cameron and Mihocek, Gov can take a less dangerous forward and zone off.

Ledwards beats West for the final mid spot. Dixon beats Williams for the ruck spot. Jones not risked.

Williams, Waterman, O’Neill, Winder, Jamieson and Jilliams would then be available for WAFL.

That's a pretty decent team. A bit thin in the midfield, but that will be softened by DeGoey and Adams missing.

 

[Sausage Legs]

Does Nelson get a job on anyone?

 

[eaglespremiers]

Does Nelson get a job on anyone?

Surely that's the only way he gets selected.
Otherwise I think, based on Miguel Sanchez's team we're a midfielder short.

 

[Chris_6678]

If Nelson is playing as a mid i would rather we went with West to use his bigger body and tackling in the midfield.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Surely that's the only way he gets selected.
Otherwise I think, based on Miguel Sanchez's team we're a midfielder short.

I’ve got 6 in Gaff, Naish, Redden, Shuey, SPS and Edwards, plus Nelson and pinch hitters like Rioli and Petch (based on his final quarter cameo last week).

Think that’s a decent contingent.

 

[kane249]

If Nelson is playing as a mid i would rather we went with West to use his bigger body and tackling in the midfield.

Nelson 189cm 86kg
West 182cm 81kg

Smaller body, but yes probably a better tackler

 

[greatwhiteshark]

That doesn’t say much. We can debate the merit of someone who played for more than a decade and who’s been retired for years.

How many games is it before the excuses stop and you either can or you can't? In my opinion once you have played 50 games and I think 50 is way generous then you are no longer regarded as a kid. 5 years in the system is a hell of a lot. Your best should be well and truly on display by now and quite consistently.