Pregnancy & Parenting Checking bags in shops.

[rayven]

And you have the legal right to sue. Always remind them this. Funnily they buckle within seconds

What don't you understand about " conditions of entry"? if you walk past a sign stating the stores conditions of entry at the entrance to the shop you have entered into a contract with that shop.............
Pubs have dress codes, do you do the same when they try and stop you for not complying? The crowd controller training I did spelt it clearly what i as a crowd controler has to do when you fail to comply with conditions of entry in a pub, after a long long process that needs you to be non compliant at each stage i can then forceably remove you.
Sue that keyboard warrior!

 

[Helicopter Punt]

What don't you understand about " conditions of entry"? if you walk past a sign stating the stores conditions of entry at the entrance to the shop you have entered into a contract with that shop.............
Pubs have dress codes, do you do the same when they try and stop you for not complying? The crowd controller training I did spelt it clearly what i as a crowd controler has to do when you fail to comply with conditions of entry in a pub, after a long long process that needs you to be non compliant at each stage i can then forceably remove you.
Sue that keyboard warrior!

The differences with a pub (or the footy, cricket, concerts etc) is their policy is usually enforced upon entry not exit, and nobody is arguing that if people choose not to comply with bag checking policy they have a right to remain on the premises - invalid argument.
There are certain conditions that need to be met before a binding contract is enforceable and a shop would have difficulties proving these have been met by someone strolling past a sign.
What if I absentmindedly walked past? What if a fat person blocked my vision? What if I had a sign on me, titled 'Conditions of my entry' that stated if the shop agrees to my entering then they agree that I only pay half price? Is that enforceable? If not what's the difference? Wouldn't my presence in the shop confirm their 'agreement' to my terms?

BTW what long, long process and stages do you speak of? If you want to remove someone from private premises you simply tell them so and give them reasonable time to comply. If they don't you are within your rights to 'assist' them from the premises. Fairly straight forward.

 

[Bazzar]

The crowd controller training I did spelt it clearly what i as a crowd controler has to do when you fail to comply with conditions of entry in a pub,

Forget the entry, we are talking about leaving.

So as a thug bouncer, have you the right to physically search a patron as they are leaving the premises?

 

[mchawk]

What don't you understand about " conditions of entry"? if you walk past a sign stating the stores conditions of entry at the entrance to the shop you have entered into a contract with that shop.............
Pubs have dress codes, do you do the same when they try and stop you for not complying? The crowd controller training I did spelt it clearly what i as a crowd controler has to do when you fail to comply with conditions of entry in a pub, after a long long process that needs you to be non compliant at each stage i can then forceably remove you.
Sue that keyboard warrior!

What part of invasion of privacy don't you understand or don't respect?

 

[smiddaz123]

Is this actually a fact???

Yes it is.

I've worked in retail and have had to do the whole bag checking thing. The way to approach it is to ask in a friendly way if they would mind if you had a quick look in their bag. If they say no don't try to argue with them, just let them go and then tell your manager what happened and they can deal with it if they want to.

 

[Freo Big Fella]

We've just had a Fraud Forum for Small Business owners out here, and a couple of detectives from the Major Fraud Squad took people through a lot of the standard shoplifting prevention stuff.

They've got every right to conduct a visual inspection of the bag, but they're not allowed to reach in and start moving stuff around.

What part of invasion of privacy don't you understand or don't respect?

A lot of the Keyboard Lawyers on here seem to forget that they're entering someone elses private property when they enter a shop.

Do you people chuck these sorts of temper tantrums when someone has a "please leave your shoes at the door" sign at their house?

 

[rayven]

What if I absentmindedly walked past? What if a fat person blocked my vision? What if I had a sign on me, titled 'Conditions of my entry' that stated if the shop agrees to my entering then they agree that I only pay half price? Is that enforceable? If not what's the difference? Wouldn't my presence in the shop confirm their 'agreement' to my terms?

Anyone who works with the public also are suppose adhere to the "duty of care" principle and that in your case that could mean reporting you to the local asylum for this irrational rubbish!!

 

[Helicopter Punt]

Anyone who works with the public also are suppose adhere to the "duty of care" principle and that in your case that could mean reporting you to the local asylum for this irrational rubbish!!

Should be easy to shoot down irrational rubbish and I look forward to you doing so without deflection.

You do realise I used your logic from your previous post and applied it to the shopper instead of shop?

 

[Helicopter Punt]

We've just had a Fraud Forum for Small Business owners out here, and a couple of detectives from the Major Fraud Squad took people through a lot of the standard shoplifting prevention stuff.

They've got every right to conduct a visual inspection of the bag, but they're not allowed to reach in and start moving stuff around.



A lot of the Keyboard Lawyers on here seem to forget that they're entering someone elses private property when they enter a shop.

Do you people chuck these sorts of temper tantrums when someone has a "please leave your shoes at the door" sign at their house?

If shop-owners have every right to conduct a visual inspection, what did the fraud squad advise if the shopper refused so as to protect those 'rights'? To detain the person or use force?

Does entering someone elses private property with their consent and at their invitation somehow give that person the right to invade my private property against my consent? I was under the impression only police had that authority - and then only with reasonable suspicion, otherwise even they need consent.
I would be interested from where these shop-owner powers issue from.

 

[Helicopter Punt]

Yes it is.

I've worked in retail and have had to do the whole bag checking thing. The way to approach it is to ask in a friendly way if they would mind if you had a quick look in their bag. If they say no don't try to argue with them, just let them go and then tell your manager what happened and they can deal with it if they want to.

Good attitude under the circumstances and I expect that you would have more people happily complying and far less trouble than those insinuating any obligation on the part of the shopper and lording some assumed authority over the shopper.

 

[TheStinger]

Just because a shop has a sign or a policy doesn't automatically make it legally binding, or in fact legal at all. People just generally accept it because they don't want to make a fuss but if you do call them on it then there really isn't much they can do.

 

[Sterge]

Question to the bagcheckers...

Have you ever caught a theif doing a spot bag check?

plenty i've had 4 people threaten to kill me because these people seem to think threatening violence is going to intimidate me.

I work for Coles and we are told as policy to never ask to check bags unless you actually see people pocketing things and are positive they have not dumped it, you only detain if you are 100% sure someone has nicked stuff and even then they tell you not to detain people, I do enjoy a good run through the carpark every so often though.

I even had one girl a regular thief come in one night and I finally caught her in the act had everyone waiting but the idiot security guard gave it away so she dumped all the shit, still followed her out and opened with
'now i know you haven't gotten anything I am not accusing you of stealing' (knowing full well the legal consequences of falsely accusing people)
this was followed by the mother of all sprays and telling her not so politely to never come back. never seen her again

No shop has the right to search bags and they are not allowed to hold you in the store if you refuse, them signs saying condition of entry are bullshit, you can go in to coles fill up a trolley with stuff and walk out the front door and if they ask where did you buy that a simple "bought it in another shop" answer is all you need customer is allways right..

try that

I've had plenty of people arrested trying that excuse usually when you tell them it's rubbish and you saw them stealing they run normally they are stupid enough to run to their car where you get the number plate and call the cops

 

[Power King]

i dont give a shit coz i have nothing to hide

 

[rayven]

^^best post yet, however it irks some who continualy are asked where others are not, judgements are made based on appearence or steroetype and it can be frustrating to innocent people continualy singled out!

 

[Sterge]

^^best post yet, however it irks some who continualy are asked where others are not, judgements are made based on appearence or steroetype and it can be frustrating to innocent people continualy singled out!

you answered your own question don't look dodgy and you won't be singled out

 

[TheStinger]

you answered your own question don't look dodgy and you won't be singled out

It's hard for a 16 year old school kid to not look like a 16 year old school kid.

 

[clivewaterhousen]

when i worked at checkouts i didnt check bags because i had higher career aspirations and therefor did not give a shit about customers

customers can eat a dick

 

[Sterge]

It's hard for a 16 year old school kid to not look like a 16 year old school kid.

all the honest 16 year old schoolkids should tell the dodgy ones to pull their heads in.

I tend to single out station rats/junkies personally

 

[breeno]

all the honest 16 year old schoolkids should tell the dodgy ones to pull their heads in.

I tend to single out station rats/junkies personally

That'll work, let's do that!

 

[triplejdude]

when i worked at checkouts i didnt check bags because i had higher career aspirations and therefor did not give a shit about customers

customers can eat a dick

Clive speaks the truth once again.