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[loki04]

Problem is that deal wouldn't be enough to get close to securing Boyd.

Disagree it would be exactly the type of deal to secure it.

GWS lack in both those areas and both players are quality, we are paying overs even.

Browns form over the whole year has actually been good, ditto sidebottom.

Sidearse needs to do less dinky chips and be more damaging with his kicks to lift himself from a very good player to elite.

We are giving up two good to very good players (including an important structural player) for a potentially elite player.

 

[Sub_Zero]

Out: Lappin, Harvey, Hart, Buckley
In: Ayres, Ling, Voss, Burns, Craig, Longmire... ANYONE THAT CAN BLOODY COACH OR BE AN ASSISTANT WITHOUT BEING A REJECT FROM SOME OTHER CLUB OR A 'FAVOURITE SON'

lol Voss, Ayres and Craig are all rejects from other clubs..

 

[Tbone McGraw]

Disagree it would be exactly the type of deal to secure it.

GWS lack in both those areas and both players are quality, we are paying overs even.

Browns form over the whole year has actually been good, ditto sidebottom.

Sidearse needs to do less dinky chips and be more damaging with his kicks to lift himself from a very good player to elite.

We are giving up two good to very good players (including an important structural player) for a potentially elite player.

Could not have said it better myself.

Some people appear to over rate draftees. Has boyd played against men yet? If he hasn't, what's to say that he will be as good as two Premiership players, both a big part of that flag and finals series.

I seriously don't get the sidey hate at all.

 

[loki04]

Could not have said it better myself.

Some people appear to over rate draftees. Has boyd played against men yet? If he hasn't, what's to say that he will be as good as two Premiership players, both a big part of that flag and finals series.

I seriously don't get the sidey hate at all.

Yep agree.

On Boyd he played with AIS side vs our VFL team which had some Collingwood players in it and Boyd smashed us, he is a low risk pick but all the same.

199cm, 104kg of mobile, contested marking, accurate goal kicking goodness!

Unfortunately we would have to sell the farm to get him so un realistic for us but great for GWS.

 

[the distributer]

Problem is that deal wouldn't be enough to get close to securing Boyd.

Not sure about that, i think it'd be around the mark, the biggest problem would be getting the boys to agree to the trade, our best hope for it to eventuate would be if Melbourne got a priority pick at 1, we also have pick 10 up our sleeve as well, if we had to we could add that to the mix and demand the Dees second round pick.

 

[Greening Magic]

Pretty happy that most on this board aren't the list manager.

 

[the distributer]

Pretty happy that most on this board aren't the list manager.

Let me ask you this, would you trade Broomhead-Kennedy and Ramsey (all of our 2012 ND picks actually) for Grundy? i would, one superstar is more valuable than 4 solid players, solid players can be replaced, superstars cannot, superstars win you flags, we have plenty of depth regarding solid players, it's time we went after a big fish IMO.

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Let me ask you this, would you trade Broomhead-Kennedy and Ramsey (all of our 2012 ND picks actually) for Grundy? i would, one superstar is more valuable than 4 solid players, solid players can be replaced, superstars cannot, superstars win you flags, we have plenty of depth regarding solid players, it's time we went after a big fish IMO.

This was kind of my point when I listed Sidebottom and Brown in the OP of this thread. I love them both as Collingwood players but if GWS came up to us and said we'll give you pick 1 for both of them I'd do it in a heartbeat to get Boyd.

 

[GoalSneak07]

What team would be stupid enough to take on Heath Shaw...

Doesn't his current contract read:
$350k per season
Allowance of 2 Free Goals to the opposition each match
1 Complimentary Brain Snap per match

 

[the distributer]

This was kind of my point when I listed Sidebottom and Brown in the OP of this thread. I love them both as Collingwood players but if GWS came up to us and said we'll give you pick 1 for both of them I'd do it in a heartbeat to get Boyd.

Scenarios.

1: Dee's get priority pick 1, we offer Sidders-Brown and pick 10, we receive picks 1 and 21.

2: WS has pick 1, we offer Sidders-Brown to Melbourne for pick 2, we then offer pick 2 and pick 10 for picks 1 and 20 (this will be the most likely option if it's to eventuate IMO, it would be very hard convincing the boys to go to WS), would probably only happen if Boyd left a sour taste in WS's mouth after the interview though.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

What team would be stupid enough to take on Heath Shaw...

Doesn't his current contract read:
$350k per season
Allowance of 2 Free Goals to the opposition each match
1 Complimentary Brain Snap per match

Is he only on $350k per season? I thought it would be more than that.

 

[the distributer]

Anyone know when Shaw extended his contract?, if he did it mid year we can't trade him, pretty sure you can't trade anyone within 12 months of a new contract, i might be wrong though.

 

[the distributer]

Is he only on $350k per season? I thought it would be more than that.

Nah that sounds about right, he's never been AA, doesn't play an overly important possy.

 

[joesph]

Delist / retire: Lynch, Jolly, Maxwell, Shaw, Didak, Krakour
Trade: Sidey, Brown, Paine

Those 3 have some trade value (Paine might get us a 3-4th round pick)

Nathan Brown must go - he has been easily beaten in all but one game this year.
Defence in the modern game wins flags
Collingwood have no running defenders

 

[Mame]

I'd offer up Sidders and Brown for pick 1, need to give quality to get quality, those players i think we can cover.

Sidders IMO will never take the next step, he just doesn't have the physical attributes of the truely elite midfielders and he lacks strengh and kicking penetration (his overall kicking is overrated IMO), lacks pace as well, quality player but as i said, if we want pick one we need to give up quality.

Brown, solid defender-good player, i just feel we can cover him.

If we could get pick 1 we get Boyd, Boyd apparently is a superstar KF, Reid then goes back into defense.

I think I agree with this but it is very tough mentioning Sidey in a trade scenario. That said I think he's replaceable. I think Boyd will be a better forward than Reid, the only question is when he'll have an impact. I'd hope that it can be in the first or second year. Reid is a better backman than Brown so back he goes. I'm really starting to like this idea if we are in with a shot at getting pick 1. It's not every draft period that an expansion team is desperate to improve quickly and willing to give up pick 1 to get experience.

 

[joesph]

Maxwell has not been in the best 22 all year.
What upsets me the most is that our players have no body strength.
We need key position players not a bunch of 170cms players

 

[johncitizen]

No way GWS will give up Boyd. Our best hope for a forward is Mcarthy.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...forward-tom-boyd/story-fni5f7qp-1226703299984

 

[Greening Magic]

Scenarios.

1: Dee's get priority pick 1, we offer Sidders-Brown and pick 10, we receive picks 1 and 21.

2: WS has pick 1, we offer Sidders-Brown to Melbourne for pick 2, we then offer pick 2 and pick 10 for picks 1 and 20 (this will be the most likely option if it's to eventuate IMO, it would be very hard convincing the boys to go to WS), would probably only happen if Boyd left a sour taste in WS's mouth after the interview though.

I'll ask you this. How many clubs have offered up players just to get pick 1?

Clubs like Freo (in those days) don't come along very often to take Trent Croad.

You simply have to pay overs on someone who isn't assured of being a star. Jack Watts anyone.

It's why player development is as important as draft picks.

We are a good ordinary side just like 2009. We got presented Jolly and Ball as presents but the improvement of Reid, Dawes, Thomas, Toovey, Sidebottom and Beams was just as vital as was our injury free run.

It's a combination of so many factors coming together.

Will we be a better side next year if Beams, Ball, Daisy & Toovey all play 22 games? If Elliott, Seedsman, Williams, Josh Thomas, Grundy, Kennedy etc to continue to improve? Will we be good enough to win the flag if that happens? Unsure. But we'll probably be top 4.

Will Tom Boyd guarantee Top 4 next year or down the track?

Pick 1 guarantees absolute nothing.

Free agency is something that clubs are targeting to get known quantities and rightly so. Using that correctly is another thing altogether.

It takes so many things to go right to win a flag, I think trading Sidey and Brown for pick 1 leaves us with even more holes than we have now - and we have a few.

 

[joesph]

I'll ask you this. How many clubs have offered up players just to get pick 1?

Clubs like Freo (in those days) don't come along very often to take Trent Croad.

You simply have to pay overs on someone who isn't assured of being a star. Jack Watts anyone.

It's why player development is as important as draft picks.

We are a good ordinary side just like 2009. We got presented Jolly and Ball as presents but the improvement of Reid, Dawes, Thomas, Toovey, Sidebottom and Beams was just as vital as was our injury free run.

It's a combination of so many factors coming together.

Will we be a better side next year if Beams, Ball, Daisy & Toovey all play 22 games? If Elliott, Seedsman, Williams, Josh Thomas, Grundy, Kennedy etc to continue to improve? Will we be good enough to win the flag if that happens? Unsure. But we'll probably be top 4.

Will Tom Boyd guarantee Top 4 next year or down the track?

Pick 1 guarantees absolute nothing.

Free agency is something that clubs are targeting to get known quantities and rightly so. Using that correctly is another thing altogether.

It takes so many things to go right to win a flag, I think trading Sidey and Brown for pick 1 leaves us with even more holes than we have now - and we have a few.

 

[the distributer]

I'll ask you this. How many clubs have offered up players just to get pick 1?

Clubs like Freo (in those days) don't come along very often to take Trent Croad.

You simply have to pay overs on someone who isn't assured of being a star. Jack Watts anyone.

It's why player development is as important as draft picks.

We are a good ordinary side just like 2009. We got presented Jolly and Ball as presents but the improvement of Reid, Dawes, Thomas, Toovey, Sidebottom and Beams was just as vital as was our injury free run.

It's a combination of so many factors coming together.

Will we be a better side next year if Beams, Ball, Daisy & Toovey all play 22 games? If Elliott, Seedsman, Williams, Josh Thomas, Grundy, Kennedy etc to continue to improve? Will we be good enough to win the flag if that happens? Unsure. But we'll probably be top 4.

Will Tom Boyd guarantee Top 4 next year or down the track?

Pick 1 guarantees absolute nothing.

Free agency is something that clubs are targeting to get known quantities and rightly so. Using that correctly is another thing altogether.

It takes so many things to go right to win a flag, I think trading Sidey and Brown for pick 1 leaves us with even more holes than we have now - and we have a few.

We aren't in a position to snare quality via FA though, our cap is at breaking point, the time will come when we have to let quality go because of our cap, so getting rid of a couple of premiership players on our terms might be the way to go, remember we wont have to pay Boyd anything significant for at least 2 years.

 

[joesph]

Forget about Luke Ball he is almost 30 and coming off an ACL
He no longer has speed, didn't you see how slow he was against Port.
Luke Ball is not the future
Hard decisions need to be made

 

[the distributer]

Forget about Luke Ball he is almost 30 and coming off an ACL
He no longer has speed, didn't you see how slow he was against Port.
Luke Ball is not the future
Hard decisions need to be made

I think Ball was injured during the game.

 

[loki04]

We aren't in a position to snare quality via FA though, our cap is at breaking point, the time will come when we have to let quality go because of our cap, so getting rid of a couple of premiership players on our terms might be the way to go, remember we wont have to pay Boyd anything significant for at least 2 years.

After this off season I will be very surprised if our cap is anywhere near breaking point.

 

[jmac70]

Forget about Luke Ball he is almost 30 and coming off an ACL
He no longer has speed, didn't you see how slow he was against Port.
Luke Ball is not the future
Hard decisions need to be made

Ball has got two more good years left. The only decision will be if he is captain or not.

 

[loki04]

Forget about Luke Ball he is almost 30 and coming off an ACL
He no longer has speed, didn't you see how slow he was against Port.
Luke Ball is not the future
Hard decisions need to be made

Ball doesn't rely on pace for his position and our midfield goes to the shitter when he is out.