Clinton Young - Thoughts?

[sloth6]

2nd That.

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Of course Hawthorn fans are happy to see him go after his effort in the goal square allowing Keiran Jack to stroll into an open goal and win them a flag.

In essence, we have a dire need for quality ball users, whether he is tough or not doesn't really come into to it for mine. We already have blokes that don't tackle - e.g. Dids

He is a beautiful left kick and I'd certainly prefer Young to Simon Buckley.

 

[TradeDraft]

Of course Hawthorn fans are happy to see him go after his effort in the goal square allowing Keiran Jack to stroll into an open goal and win them a flag.

In essence, we have a dire need for quality ball users, whether he is tough or not doesn't really come into to it for mine. We already have blokes that don't tackle - e.g. Dids

He is a beautiful left kick and I'd certainly prefer Young to Simon Buckley.

Would be no worse than S Buckley(The List Clogger)

 

[sloth6]

Would be no worse than S Buckley(The List Clogger)

I think S Buckley would've got the chop regardless

 

[Ketchup]

Who's spot exactly would young be taking? Where would you be playing him? He's pretty one dimensional isn't he? Granted I havn't seen alot of him but the hawks mainly used him off half back didn't they?

 

[TradeDraft]

Who's spot exactly would young be taking? Where would you be playing him? He's pretty one dimensional isn't he? Granted I havn't seen alot of him but the hawks mainly used him off half back didn't they?

Saying be Simmlar to Leon Davis Role in 2011.

Could play on the Wing

 

[HFF]

If we can add Lynch and Young as well as trade our way further into the draft by offloading Dawes and Wellingham for early picks, it would be a perfect outcome for us.

 

[Ketchup]

Saying be Simmlar to Leon Davis Role in 2011.

Could play on the Wing

Ah fair enough. I was thinking the wing aswell, or moving Shaw upto the wing is something ive always wanted to do. But wasn't sure about his leg speed and whether he could run and carry out of the backline.

 

[Old Spice]

Who's spot exactly would young be taking? Where would you be playing him? He's pretty one dimensional isn't he? Granted I havn't seen alot of him but the hawks mainly used him off half back didn't they?

Could mean he just competes for a spot for whoever drops off in form.

 

[Old Spice]

If we can add Lynch and Young as well as trade our way further into the draft by offloading Dawes and Wellingham for early picks, it would be a perfect outcome for us.

Now you're coming round. That's the spirit.

 

[HFF]

Now you're coming round. That's the spirit.

lol I've always been around.

Granted I'd be really happy to retain Wellingham if we can't do a deal to net us some early pick/s.

As for Dawes, I'm in favour of the idea to trade him. We can net some more pick/s and our list is in good enough shape to cover him and we can stockpile some more young talent which we havent had access to since probably 2008 where we got Sidebottom and Beams. I think the club sees a bright future for Paine too. Also provides us with cap relief too.

The beauty of adding Lynch and Young is it costs us nothing in terms of draft selections.

 

[RuFiO]

Beautiful brake foot!

 

[Pie 4 Life]

I think S Buckley would've got the chop regardless

No. We must trade him along with Tom Young, Kirk Ugle and our fourth round pick to get Gary Ablett.

 

[Old Spice]

Has Simon B actually got a contract? Signed on for 2011. I'm presuming he signed 1 or 2 years initially. If it was 2, times up and if it was 1, wouldn't have got more than a 1 year extension. Either way, you presume time is up.

 

[DaVe86]

In terms of Young...he is played typically as a wingman...not run off half back. With Birchall and Suckling, they haven't really needed him in this role.

I think his role would be similar at Collingwood, although he may be required to take kick-ins as well. May be required on a back flank as well.

 

[TradeDraft]

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Hearing reports (rumours) that Collingwood are finalising official paperwork to secure unrestricted free agent Clinton Young from the Hawks.

 

[HFF]

Has Simon B actually got a contract? Signed on for 2011. I'm presuming he signed 1 or 2 years initially. If it was 2, times up and if it was 1, wouldn't have got more than a 1 year extension. Either way, you presume time is up.

This I wholeheartedly agree with.

His time is up.

 

[TradeDraft]

Reports coming through that Collingwood are finalising a deal that will see unrestricted free agent Clinton Young sign with the pies.

Pies supporters - Is Young a good replacement for losing Wellingham? I'd say both somewhat similar players who play a similar position.

Hawks supporters - do you think he'd be in your best 22 next season? Will he be missed at the Hawks?

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[Old Spice]

This I wholeheartedly agree with.

His time is up.

It's interesting isn't it. People are forgetting about some of our uncontracted players here who presumably get in the 100s type pay packet. If we land a player like Young, the money comes from there.

On Hawthorn being happy to trade Young, they have a bunch of waifs like Suckling and Ellis and a crowded out back-line, so probably too much for them and no spot for him in defence. We on the other hand can have him kicking out then moving to a wing.

 

[HFF]

He is a different type of player to Wellingham though.

I think we struggled badly last season on the "outside" and to just break the lines with continuous ball movement.

Young is a line-breaker and an 80m player in that he loves to run and carry the footy and then has a racking left boot.

 

[bodga22]

Anyone have any idea what salary hes after, did he reject Hawthorns contract offer or wasn't offered one?
Wouldn't mind also getting Moloney, imo better than Wellingham and also we dont have many tough bodies in yhe team also offering the chance to be in a possible premiership team hasnt had that chance yet in his career so if both can be had for cheap and requiring no draft picks it would be a good bit of business
Get rid of sharrod and/or Dawes for 1 or 2 high draft picks we can bring in some really good youngsters
Only thing getting rid of Dawes leaves a hole in the fwd line, Jackson Paine??? Or do we trade one of our possible 2/3 picks in the top 20

 

[HFF]

It's interesting isn't it. People are forgetting about some of our uncontracted players here who presumably get in the 100s type pay packet. If we land a player like Young, the money comes from there.

On Hawthorn being happy to trade Young, they have a bunch of waifs like Suckling and Ellis and a crowded out back-line, so probably too much for them and no spot for him in defence. We on the other hand can have him kicking out then moving to a wing.

Agree.

Would be great watching Young kick in and creating some havoc from the wing.

Hawks can probably cover him with Ellis who whilst not as damaging may get the opportunities for more game time.

 

[DaVe86]

Totally different player to Wellingham.

Wellingham is an inside/outside burst player. Tougher tackler, better inside game and able to break a game open in congestion. Can also play defensive jobs, marks well over head and good at reading the ball off hands. However doesn't necessarily penetrate by foot and is not a 4 quarter performer. He works in bursts. Can have terribly quiet weeks and often his work-rate drops off.


Young is a pure outside runner. Those saying he plays half back flank are wrong. He is a wingman and a goal-kicker on the run. Has the potential to play half back though and I'm sure the club would consider using him in this role. Terrificly skilled, able to pinpoint targets and kick long goals. Breaks the lines and runs 4 quarters up and down. Pretty good big game player. However, he has no inside game, only average at tackling, won't defend an opponent very well and has had a bad run of injuries over the past few years.

Really completely different players altogether.

I'd say we have a greater need for Young considering we have the inside players and guys like Swan, Beams, Sidebottom and Pendlebury play inside/outside. I think Wellingham offers something different to all of them because of his ability to step around players in close. I also think Wellingham is the better all round player...but as I said Young will probably add more to our side.

 

[MrFujiMoto]

The problem with Young is that he's a classic home and away footballer, who looks great for 22 weeks of the season, but when the pressure and intensity lifts in the finals he falls away and is found out.

Having said that, if the Eagles are going to give us pick 17, maybe we can use that to give to the Hawks for Young, wouldn't be a terrible swap, Sharrod for Young.

20 disposals at about 75% including a goal from 65 out in the 08 GF and all of that in a half . Most had him BOG to half time so that is definitely not an issue. The issue with Youngy for us is that he is a run, carry, long bomb into the 50 player. He is pretty indesrciminate with his disposal and we have no F50 Gorilla contested mark in the side. You guys, on the other hand, have one T. Cloke.

I would not be too worried about losing Youngy, even though I rate him, because we can cover him with someone who compliments our game a bit better but I DO NOT want to see him go to the Pies. He would be dangerous with your game structure!

 

[RuFiO]

20 disposals at about 75% including a goal from 65 out in the 08 GF and all of that in a half . Most had him BOG to half time so that is definitely not an issue. The issue with Youngy for us is that he is a run, carry, long bomb into the 50 player. He is pretty indesrciminate with his disposal and we have no F50 Gorilla contested mark in the side. You guys, on the other hand, have one T. Cloke.

I would not be too worried about losing Youngy, even though I rate him, because we can cover him with someone who compliments our game a bit better but I DO NOT want to see him go to the Pies. He would be dangerous with your game structure!

We don't have a game structure anymore. You're fine.

 

[MrFujiMoto]

Nothing worse than illiterate smartarse.........

He does. On your HBF I believe.

or one who knows nothing about the subject they are commenting on. He plays on the wing, not the HBF. As for him being soft as butter, he definitely addressed that this year. Much harder at the ball and man. Prior to that he was purely outside and did not like getting his hands dirty.

My worry if I was chasing young would not be his "pea" heart or him being soft, it would be (the same as my worries about us keeping him)-
a. Durability - Has missed the majority of 2009 / 2010 with injury and 2011 with injury and resultant poor form.
b. He is NOT a pinpoint long kicker as some think he is or as the stats sheets point to. The stats somewhat lie about Youngy. He gets many long bombs into the F50 or 50 meters forward that are not to advatage and get repelled back quicker than you can say boo. Unfortunately the way DE% works, they often get counted as an effective disposal.

He is not an overall pea heart or soft as butter though