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Clubs racking up the $$$$ losses
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There in lies your ultimate problem, you still want to be playing in the VFL. In a nation where Victoria makes up less than half of Aussie rules supporters but they have almost 2/3's of the sides that make up the supposed national competiton.
You still refuse to answer the question, what is wrong with these teams playing in the VFL where they spent the majority of their precious history.
Losing 1 million supporters is just crap, between those 4 teams there would be less than 90,000 supporters, of those less than 5000 would be hardcore supporters that wouldn't bandwagon on to another AFL team. The majority of supporters would simply barrack for another AFL team because they love watching footy at the elite level. I don't really care if we lose 5000 Vic supporters if it means the growth and expansion of Aussie Rules and the AFL.
I don't want the teams canned I just don't want them in a national competition because they are out of their depth like Fitzroy were. But Fitzroy were smart they merged and will forever be a part of the national comp. North Melbourne are the exception, if they can get their act together in the next 5 years then they would be a real assett to a national competition
The real problem is that you want your don't want your little club to not be in the "big" competition with the big clubs as you want to be able to say I follow an AFL team not just a state league team. You don't want to see the bigger Vic clubs to be playing in a national competition without you. SANFL teams such as Norwood and Centrals and various other clubs from WA deserve to be in a national competiton more than STK, Geelong and WB, so why aren't they? Oh that's right they are not Victorian.
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Be weary lads, that what we thought when we chopped Souths, and clubs such as that. We thought, yeh, they get 5k to a game, no one will miss them. That was until they pulled 80,000 people to a rally down George Street.
The ripples created from cutting ANY melbourne team would be enormous. Relocation? Where? Give me one viable location....
Moffo.
The ripples created from cutting ANY melbourne team would be enormous. Relocation? Where? Give me one viable location....
Moffo.
if youre gonna use this system keep the big four supposedly carlton, collingwood, essendon and richmond.
the afl has caused the current predicament by giving all new clubs an easy rd in and after the sale of waverly and massive tv rights payment the majority of clubs are still in trouble cash wise not just the roos, and doggies,
to much football on tv up against the gate is diminishing crowds and all 16 clubs are suffering.
give us what is rightfully ours, and bring back shared gate reciepts we dont play each other twice a yr so how is the current reciepts system fair
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moomba
TheBrownDog
I just stated a fact. Personally I would love to be back where we were 25 years ago, but I appreciate that it is not going to happen
North left the VFA (now called VFL) in the 1920's. The majority of our history is in the competition we are currently in. Pretty simple really, if you open your eyes.
You really have no comprehension of what you are talking about. I might leave this one for Dan26 to pass comment on.
Garbage. Much more than 5000 supporters would be lost to footy if any one team was kicked out of the AFL. With each supporter the sport would lose the hundreds, and in some cases thousands of dollars spent on membership, merchandise, pay television etc, and I can guarantee you that I would never ever go to another game of AFL football if North weren't part of the comp.
Also I suspect the loss of any of these clubs would make a majority of supporters from other teams feel a hell of a lot worse about the AFL. Look at the Rabbitohs, it was not just their fans that marched and protested it was fans from all teams across the board. Look at some of the posts on this board and you will see a variety of people who think the struggling clubs add a hell of a lot to the game.
You refuse to accept the fact that on many fronts the teams you want out are not out of their depth. Saints, Cats, Bulldogs all have very exciting teams and I can see success coming their way in the near future. North likewise. All of these teams are currently real assets to the AFL.
The real problem is that I don't want any team to be forced out of the competition unless there is no alternative. St Kilda, Geelong and the Bulldogs all deserve to be part of the AFL because they are three of the clubs that have built the AFL to become what it is now.
Moomba
I would strongly dispute that shared anything is fair, let alone gate receipts. I agree with you that while every team does not have the same draw, the current arrangement cannot be considerred fair either.Originally posted by mighty mick
give us what is rightfully ours, and bring back shared gate reciepts we dont play each other twice a yr so how is the current reciepts system fair
Further moves toward socialism cannot be answer even if you look at it very simplistically and realise no economy has ever operated well under anything like a socialist system. I realise that doesn't help your club but nor would taking away the incenive from other clubs - that is the fundamental and fatal flaw with "sharing" when humans get involved in the equation.
moomba
TheBrownDog
I'm not scared of change at all, I just don't think your version of change will benefit the sport. As far as I am concerned your version of change will end my involvement in AFL footy so I don't particularly give a toss about any perceived advantages a national competition could bring.
Moomba
these few supporters would be replaced by the hoards of supporters from the new teams introduced into the AFL. Basically the argument is that the AFL is Victorian and we don't want it to change.
But change is inevitbale, you can't stop growth. It will happen, be it sooner or later, all you are doing is holding the rest of us back in expanding the game for a few more years.
moomba
TheBrownDog
Did you miss reading where I said that I don't think you changes will benefit the game, or did you just ignore it.
Port and Freo have hardly set the world on fire crowds-wise and I doubt any new team will do even half as good as that. Tell me where your four new teams will get there hoards from and I will be prepared to argue the case.
You are assuming that the competition can't grow with the Roos, Cats, Dogs, Saints. Wrong assumption IMO.
Moomba
The only reason you don't think my changes will benefit the game is because your team is not involved.
Norwood for one, a team in tassie for two, a 2nd team in Sydney (possibly a merger) and eventually an NT or a Canberra side.
The competition will grow with or without Cats, Dogs, etc but will it grow in areas were AFL is already very popular or areas that have little AFL following?
moomba
TheBrownDog
No the reason why I don't think it will benefit the game is becuase many thousands of fans will be lost to the game, and many who remain involved will be less committed than before. Keep my team in and can another four and I will still see it as a negative thing.
Ha. Norwood will get very few supporters that aren't already following the Crows and to a lesser extent the Power. Sydney are averaging less than 20,000 to their games, do you think that a second side would do better. As for NT and Tassie it has already been determined that they don't currently have the infrastructure, corporate support, supporters for an AFL side.
If the competition will grow with the Cats and the Dogs, why the urgent need to kick them out of the competition.
Moomba
Norwood would get a hell of a lot of support, not from only Norwood fans but also Crows supporters who used to follow Norwood and/or can't get tickets/membership to Crows matches. There are over 1 million people in Adelaide and 3 in Melbourne yet you can support 10 teams but we can't support 3? OK.
As for NT and Tassie being proven not to have all those things neither do the Victorian teams in mention but they get propped up with hand outs and special treatment from the AFL.
What is better a team in Tassie or NT being helped out by the rest of the comp or yet another Vic team doing the same?
not having a go at you mark but this is where our game has gone to the shi t house its become a political ball game.
im only for the two teams playing on the day against each other sharing the days gate reciepts, not for all 16 teams splitting up the rounds takings. if we did that teams would be waiting for thier money as they are for the tv rights and waverly pie.
keep politics out of footy
Why? Home matches you get your money, away matches the other team gets the money, it is quite simple. You just want the money from other teams supporters because you have none.
Why should clubs who drum up supporters and work their arses of to get and keep these supporters have to give their hard earned money to your club because of the incompetence of your club to promote yourselves.
moomba
TheBrownDog
Well both the Bulldogs and North have convinced or are in the process of convincing the AFL that they do have the infrastructure, and the means to continue in the competition. I am pretty sure the Cats and the Saints are in the same boat. If you think Tassie and NT are even close to this level you are kidding yourself. As for Norwood how many people do they have going to there games at the moment?
Only because they are currently in the AFL, if they weren't the AFL wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole. Norwood get quite a few people along (can't give you exact numbers) but a fair slice of Crows supporters would follow Norwood if they entered the AFL. If not Norwood then a Norwood/Central's side would work very well in the AFL and draw large crowds.
moomba
TheBrownDog
Even if I give you Norwood, and I personally think you are dreaming, that is one club that has the capacity to replace the four clubs you want canned.
Moomba
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The bottom line is you can't have 10 Victorian teams and call a 16 team competition a national competition.
You want the luxuries of both having the tradition of the VFL (with all the two bit teams that brings) but the coverage and prestige that a national competition brings.
One or the other.
You want the luxuries of both having the tradition of the VFL (with all the two bit teams that brings) but the coverage and prestige that a national competition brings.
One or the other.
moomba
TheBrownDog
I don't call the AFL a national competition, and to be honest I don't give a stuff whether it is balanced across the states or not. The fact that there is no team in Tassie, or only two in SA or only one in Sydney doesn't affect my enjoyment of the sport at all. In fact I would much prefer to have my side play every game in Victoria. Whatever the "national" component of the competition brings in terms of coverage and prestige I woudl give it up in a second if I could come onto a site like this and talk footy instead of finance.
All I want is every club to be given every opportunity to survive in their own right. If after all that they can't survive then that's unfortunate but I think a lot more can be done to get clubs through difficult times.
You on the other hand want to cut four teams regardless, of tradition, regardless of on field success, regardless of potential to get through the difficult times and regardless of the many thousands of people will be devastated by the loss of clubs.
All I want is every club to be given every opportunity to survive in their own right. If after all that they can't survive then that's unfortunate but I think a lot more can be done to get clubs through difficult times.
You on the other hand want to cut four teams regardless, of tradition, regardless of on field success, regardless of potential to get through the difficult times and regardless of the many thousands of people will be devastated by the loss of clubs.
I can't believe it took you so long.
moomba
TheBrownDog
Your proposed changes are a pile of sh1te.
Moomba
In that teams like Adelaide get all the membership sales at home and half your gate money away.
You would be worse off. In a draw where we all play twice and you get your hoome game money against all clubs I think you would be better off. The problem is that would be to many games for player management in long phsyical sport like AFL.
