Thanks Colin. Very interesting reading. I very much admire the way you construct and rationalise your predictions, regardless of how players turn out in the end. No-one has a crystal ball and I think you do a fantastic job. Please keep it coming.
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Colin Wiseby's 2005 draft predictions
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wizza, on the hawks recruits...........
hoping and praying that u are wrong with ellis......but see the same weakneeses in his game that u have highlighted.
been said to be exceptional by foot, but i must have been watching him play in different games than other people. doesnt seem to have that zip to his kicking and kicks way to many floaters for my liking.
imo top 6 draft picks should be used for key position prospects (preferable chf's) unless there is exceptional onballers that are clearly NO MISS PICKS. there wasnt any of these in thsi draft so i think the hawks should have gone down the road of taking 2 talls with pick 3 and 6.
worried about birchall also, havent seen him play but now have 2 talent scouts opinions that have huge queries on wether he can make it.
watched a muston game the other day - murry Vs ballarat ........ this kid could be anything if the knee comes back to anywhere near where it was. the thing that really stood out to me with muston (besides his huge vertical leap, no fear attack on the footy, contesting marking contests that he had no right to even be involved in) was his footy brain. (no comment on the quality of his handball but that the easiest skill to be taught) muston seemed to be positioned perfectly at the base of packs, reads the footy well and subsequently is in the right position when his opponent has no idea where the footy is going to be. its only one game but geez, here is to hopeing
hoping and praying that u are wrong with ellis......but see the same weakneeses in his game that u have highlighted.
been said to be exceptional by foot, but i must have been watching him play in different games than other people. doesnt seem to have that zip to his kicking and kicks way to many floaters for my liking. imo top 6 draft picks should be used for key position prospects (preferable chf's) unless there is exceptional onballers that are clearly NO MISS PICKS. there wasnt any of these in thsi draft so i think the hawks should have gone down the road of taking 2 talls with pick 3 and 6.
worried about birchall also, havent seen him play but now have 2 talent scouts opinions that have huge queries on wether he can make it.
watched a muston game the other day - murry Vs ballarat ........ this kid could be anything if the knee comes back to anywhere near where it was. the thing that really stood out to me with muston (besides his huge vertical leap, no fear attack on the footy, contesting marking contests that he had no right to even be involved in) was his footy brain. (no comment on the quality of his handball
but that the easiest skill to be taught) muston seemed to be positioned perfectly at the base of packs, reads the footy well and subsequently is in the right position when his opponent has no idea where the footy is going to be. its only one game but geez, here is to hopeing 
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Despite what he said, i'm more than happy with Murphy, Kennedy, Bower and Edwards thank-you very much. I've heard too many good reports about these guys from too many people to now start doubting them.
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Good to see Colin on the board answering some queries.
He really cops a lot of crap from blokes who know a quarter of what he does on the subject. People need to remember he's just expressing his OPINION. Of course he's going to be wrong from time to time.
Great work!
He really cops a lot of crap from blokes who know a quarter of what he does on the subject. People need to remember he's just expressing his OPINION. Of course he's going to be wrong from time to time.
Great work!
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Plenty of recruiters get it wrong aswell. Atleast Colin has the guts to stick by his judgments and answer questions. It's refreshing to hear the thoughts of someone who's actually seen plenty of most of the kids.
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Fantastic Coverage. Good to see someone have the guts to put real questions about some players. Hawks draft picks had many questions over them and not everyone could align but I hope some do but inevitably some of our high draft picks will struggle.
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No that wasn't what I was trying to say at all ! I am always interested to see the opinions of someone who goes to the trouble of doing profiles on the new draftees, and I am also interested in seing how those draftees do during their first season. I would be interested to see whether he has revised any of his opinions of these players after their first season as well.CyberKev said:
The underlined bit is where Nick Dal Santo has improved out of sight.cypher said:
If everyone was confident that Dal Santo was going to become a consistent 20-30 posession player, he'd have been drafted top 4. Instead he was overlooked by most clubs, and even the club who drafted him passed on him twice.
Agree with most of your assessments of players this year. Although I know I won't have seen anywhere near as much of him as u I think Bower will be a very good player. I know there are question marks over his ability to handle the bigger boys, but he could easily find a spot on a HBF. Could even play wing, he reads the play so well. Also what sort of a grip do you have on the 2006 draft? Could u tell me which top-age Chargers players have a future at AFL level in your opinion, cheers.
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There's no need for Pies fans to defend Wisbey whenever someone highlights when he was wrong. Most of the other draft watchers had Swallow and Lucy in the top 20 or thereabouts come draft time.FIGJAM said:
Just want to say thanks to Colin for your giving us your view on our players. It's an unexpected pleasure given that you decided to limit the amount of profiles you were going to release on last years draft. While I'd be happier if they were a bit more positive you can only call them as you see it so I respect that. Besides sometimes you get more information of a players strengths and weaknesses from a negative (or lower than usual) review then you do from an overwhelming positive can do no wrong review that usually eminates from clubs and their supporters. The more info the better.
I'm not defending that he was wrong on Dal Santo, just that it is an inexact science.cypher said:
People bring it up to mock him, but the reality is that there were 8 actual recruiting managers who got Dal Santo "wrong".
You should know from first hand experience that recruiters don't get it right 100% of the time. O'Blundavin makes his fair share of errors!
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I'm not mocking him because I like reading his profiles, but it's amazing how "professional" recruiting managers get it wrong so often.FIGJAM said:
His picks still played more games than Morrison, Roach, Shackleton, etc. and Shane O's record with late picks and rookie picks is second to none.
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Got to question Wisbey's judgement after rating a bloke like McGough for Collingwood and a few others.
Derek Hine of Collingwood seems to have a far superior track record than Wisbey and Im willing to back in his selections over Wisbeys.
Collingwood recruits all seem to be going quite well at this early stage.
Derek Hine of Collingwood seems to have a far superior track record than Wisbey and Im willing to back in his selections over Wisbeys.
Collingwood recruits all seem to be going quite well at this early stage.
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Just out of interest what is Hine's background? How many years has he been in the job?
Not having a dig, just interested.
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Derek Hine, took over from Noel Judkins last year i believe, while Noel still helps out, its Hine who now decides who we should recruit, he's first draft was last year when we got, Egan, Rusling, Cloke and Iaccobucci and all of them except the last have shown some very good signs. he's second effort looks pretty good too, its safe to say already he has done better then Noel.
by the way, thanks Wiz. nice write up's.
by the way, thanks Wiz. nice write up's.
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If you think that equates to a good track record and he is already better than Noel based on the added fact that Thomas has played some decent preseason games, then I've got a block of land in a swamp you might be interested in.
I don't think Pendlebury, Stanley, Cook, Anthony, Toovey, Nicholls or Cox are house hold names just yet.
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It was not only Egan, Rusling, Cloke and Iacobucci, but also the pickup of Ben Davies and Harry O'Brien as rookies, who have both looked very good so far off the rookie list - Ben Davies having been promoted already, and a part of our best 22.Sezzac1 said:
This year's draft, although in ridiculously premature stages, has also looked good.
Compared to the drafting of Noel Judkins before that, it has been pretty good so far.
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I didnt say it was a good track record, it just shows how poor noel judkins was, and already derek hine has done a better job. I didnt talk up any of the recruits, just said they have more upside then any of the fatass players judkins picked up
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Many of Wisbeys assesments arent much to write home about.
Hine seems to be going ok, happy to back him in on the basis of what he's done so far.
Hine seems to be going ok, happy to back him in on the basis of what he's done so far.
Wizzer......I'm interested to know your opininions of 2004-2005 Eastern Ranges player Brad Kelleher. In 2005 Kelleher played for Vic Metro where he slaughtered Mitchell Clark and Jay Neagle (both drafted), made TAC Cup team of the year at full back, and was invited to Canberra Draft Camp. He kicked 42 goals in half a season on the forward line for Ranges and a good percentage of those goals were kicked from outside the 50m arc. I think it could be argued that Kelleher had a good season in 2005, but was not drafted. Interested to know your thoughts on this player and do you think he has a chance to be drafted in 2006? I understand that he will be playing VFL for Box Hill Hawks this year.
Was coach of the Prahran Dragons.theorangeapple said:
He was brought over to us as "Player Development Manager" in 2003. In 2004 he was heading up the recruiting side of things.
Judkins is still with us. Given Noel's recent health issues (depression), I wouldn't be surprised if he has a far greater input than people are giving him credit for, just taking a back seat.
Hine's definitely the front man though, with the title of National Recruiting Manager.
