Collingwood 2010 - Fact vs Opinion

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Anyone else care to share facts? Or just your own personal opinion?
Fact - Most responders have gone for the second option (most heavily clouded by hate-bias)

Fact - Unless you are a Geelong supporter, Collingwood are currently doing better than your team

Opinion (only not a fact because its not all people) - Collingwood are a write off to the haters because of their loss to Geelong because they 'failed' again against a quality side, yet if they had've won I'm sure the general consensus would be 'you don't win premierships in Round 9'. Maybe that's something Geelong fans should ponder.

Opinion - St Kilda are irrelevant to this thread, they are no longer in the top 2 sides and their fans should keep their opinions to themselves at least until Sunday night, unless they're up for more flaming

Opinion - Collingwood were dissappointing and their strategies so far against good zone defencing do not work. Bombing in from the boundary line just results in tough shots at goal or opposition taking it out again. Bad kicking to forwards doesn't help. I'd like to see them run through the middle more often (like against the Bulldogs in round 1)

Opinion - Collingwood can improve alot, Geelong are at their peak apart from a few missing players (although in hindsight Collingwood could have made some useful changes to better their chances against Geelong)

Opinion - The actual Collingwood team did not talk themselves up this week, it was the media (besides fans obviously) which gives them a win/win situation - win and its all justified and the supporters will eat it up, lose and we tear 'em a new one and the haters are in heaven

Opinion - If you think Collingwood are soft you are an idiot

Opinion - If you think Collingwood were 'thumped' by Geelong you have no idea

Opinion - If you think Didak 'failed' last night you have no idea

Opinion - Leon Davis is dangerously close to the magoos

Opinion - Steve Johnson is a big girl

Opinion - This thread was just asking for trouble

See how facts and opinions work people?

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Fact - If your team is high up the ladder it doesn't give your posts any more credibility than if your team is low down on the ladder

Fact - Collingwood aren't joint top, they're second

Fact - Many people on Big Footy overreact to the result of one game of footy

Opinion - Collingwood supporters are, on average, less intelligent than other teams' supporters
 

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Opinion - Collingwood can improve alot, Geelong are at their peak apart from a few missing players (although in hindsight Collingwood could have made some useful changes to better their chances against Geelong)

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You can't be serious? You think that we are our peak? We are far from our peak, we have been winning by big margins but despite winning last night we were nowhere near our best.
 

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Fact - Collingwood dont play a style of football that stand up in finals.

Fact - Leon Davis is a houdini specialist.

Fact - Travis Cloke's arse is still bleeding.

Fact - Jolly and Ball havent made the side any better.

Sidebottom, Beams and Wellingham are mainly responsible for the improvement.

Fact - Geelong are still the benchmark.

Fact - The pies have failed dismally against last years 1 and 2 side.
 

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Second favourites for the flag by what measure?
The Ladder and TAB sportsbet....
Considering we belted carlton, bulldogs and freo i think we are very worthy of the stance.

It looks we are in agreement Collingwood are second and even the ladder agrees. Big Whoop!

The other FACT is that a lot of Collingwood players go missing in big games! FACT.

Were was Davis, Thomas, and Didak?
Wow, did you watch the game? Thomas along with beams and johnson was in our top 3 best for the night. he definately went missing :rolleyes:.
Didak did his job, in no way he went missing, serviceable game.
Davis, yes he went missing and was woeful. 1/3

All i can say is atleast our mob can make it into a big game unlike your pathetic excuse for a team. Wait your made a final last year, and genuinely choked in the last quarter. ;)

Fact - in the space of 5 mins during the last quarter Sidebottom and Pendlebury both showed the football world what soft squibs they really are
In the Space of 1 minute StKilda's season was over.
And in the space of one season StKilda showed that they are doomed to be the most unsuccseful club in the history of AFL, even having 'there greatest team of all time' they could not cut the mustard.

Fact - Collingwood dont play a style of football that stand up in finals.

Fact - Leon Davis is a houdini specialist.

Fact - Travis Cloke's arse is still bleeding.

Fact - Jolly and Ball havent made the side any better.

Sidebottom, Beams and Wellingham are mainly responsible for the improvement.

Fact - Geelong are still the benchmark.

Fact - The pies have failed dismally against last years 1 and 2 side.
What a load of shit, Little angry bout last week? Trav destroyed you get over it. Ball has been fantastic this season, being naive if you think otherwise.
 

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What a load of shit, Little angry bout last week?
Not at all, we were outplayed by a fitter side.


Trav destroyed you get over it.
He destroyed Adam Mcphee, a recognised hack.

Came up against a quality defender and from all accounts the Pies trainers are still attempting to jerk him out of the foetal position :thumbsu:

Ball has been fantastic this season, being naive if you think otherwise.
Fantastic? Solid, nothing special, foot soldier.

Fantastic is wayyyyyyy over the top. Still cant kick for shit.

It's called football for a reason. ;)
 

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Not at all, we were outplayed by a fitter side.

He destroyed Adam Mcphee, a recognised hack.

Came up against a quality defender and from all accounts the Pies trainers are still attempting to jerk him out of the foetal position :thumbsu:

Fantastic? Solid, nothing special, foot soldier.

Fantastic is wayyyyyyy over the top. Still cant kick for shit.

It's called football for a reason. ;)
Did freo have a poor preseason? not being fit enough? If you are seriously blaming the AFL fixture for losing you really need help. In case you didn't realise we were playing at your home ground. You got beaten by a better side, just like we did against geelong. Just Admit it.

Clearly you havent been watching Collingwood all season then, basing his performances om Journalists bagging him. He is exactly what we needed an in and under midfielder, he is playing great football at the moment. Thankyou to James Hird, ever since Bally copped it in the newspapers he has really played great footy.

Cloke played well last night, Took plenty of marks. He just couldn't get it in the 50 because we delivered the ball so poorly to our forwards.

Geelong>Collingwood>Fremantle
 

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Fact - The team that has lost the so-called "biggest game of the H&A season" in the last 2 years has gone on to win the flag;)
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Although, they were all in the second half of the season. There might be an even bigger game coming up soon.
 

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Did freo have a poor preseason? not being fit enough? If you are seriously blaming the AFL fixture for losing you really need help. In case you didn't realise we were playing at your home ground. You got beaten by a better side, just like we did against geelong. Just Admit it.
At what stage did I blame the fixturing. Think you're just being overly precious.

As I said, we were outplayed by a fitter side. :rolleyes:

Clearly you havent been watching Collingwood all season then, basing his performances om Journalists bagging him. He is exactly what we needed an in and under midfielder, he is playing great football at the moment. Thankyou to James Hird, ever since Bally copped it in the newspapers he has really played great footy.

Cloke played well last night, Took plenty of marks. He just couldn't get it in the 50 because we delivered the ball so poorly to our forwards.

Geelong>Collingwood>Fremantle
Cool mate, Im basing it on the last 8 years of football he's played.

Never a good kick, never will be.

Can only carry them so long.

In regards to Cloke, I thought Garry Lyon was spot on when he said Davis and Cloke dont stand up in the big games, spot on with his observations.
 

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Fact - Collingwood still sits second on the ladder, and comfortably in the top 4.

Fact - Collingwood is still the 2nd favourites for the flag.

Fact - Collingwood was beaten by the best side in the AFL in Round 9.

Fact - Collingwood kept Geelong under 100 points for only the 2nd time this year. (Carlton was the first in their victory over the Cats)


Anyone else care to share facts? Or just your own personal opinion?
Fact: Collingwoood can't go with the big boys, plain and simple.

Nice sig, I like how you are using the positive of being 7-2. In all hosestly, it is positive, and good. But face facts: You can not, can not, beat the big boys. You can end up 18-4, and it'll be great - but those 4 losses will be against the Cats and Saints, and let me tell you, those 4 losses mean more than the 18 wins.

Spin it how you like, Collingwoood have not improved against the best teams in the comp.
 

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No again that is your opinion, now if you said
Fact - St Kilda have a history of being shit then you would be right.
See the difference, history is fact.
Using BF as an example it doesn't take much to realise that it is a fact that the majority of Collingwood fans aren't that bright.:)


PS Just love the way the ferals are getting ahead of themselves again...it doesn't take much...reasons explained above..;)
 
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Fact collingwood lost to st kilda who riewoldt missing most of the game, and at one stage had him lenny goddard and fisher all off the ground injuried

fact out of there 7 wins 4 have been against bottom 8 sides

fact in their two losses they have kicked a combined 2.21 in 2nd halfs.
 
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