Conca vs Heppell - Did FJ get it wrong?

[captain blood 17]

mate, it's a simple question stop stuffing around. Not everybody has to agree and say nice things about every player on our list. Otherwise we'll turn into the contrived Carlton or Hawthorn board.

Heppell to me looks a lot better than Conca, and will likely end up being better. Do I want this to happen? NO - I hope Reece becomes a gun, of course I do. I hope he has a great year. But to me, Heppell has got more class and smarts and has looked the goods from the very start.

It's just a discussion thread, stop taking it so personal.

So Don't worry, Be Happy

I question your motive, your timing and your subject matter when we haven't played a game for points yet. And keep in mind I was big on us drafting Heppell, just like I was big on us taking Membrey this year.
Barry's stats clearly indicate Reece was a very solid pick.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Get this trolling shit off our board

 

[Bojangles17]

Get this trolling shit off our board

Agreed 4 week bans end of story, poor troll attempt

 

[tigers_of_old_08]

I'd rather a Conca truck than a soft ****.

Yup.

 

[Stylo]

Poor Conca will probably be underrated over his career because of his playing style. But watch him closely, he's a gun

 

[Dusty Cotch]

"Conca goes harder at the ball than Heppell does though"....That is the reason FJ took Conca it a clear directive from the Gaffer!.Dimma wants good drivers in heavy traffic with strong bodies.He knows what type of player wins finals.He hasnt deviated Conca,Ellis & Vlaustuin all similar types who will play in our next final & GF!..A question would you notice Heppell as much if he had short dark hair instead of looking like side show Bob?[/quote]

 

[Zantuck Magic]

Heppell will be a star, his reaction time is extremely fast which might make him look like he's not getting contested touches but he is. He reminds me a lot of Pendlebury at that age, and as he fills out he'll only get better. I dont think conca will be as good, and can only assume it was an injury concern that stopped us recurring Heppell, because you don't bypass talent for need at that end of the draft, particular as both will be midfielders

 

[Tigersman]

Lot of hype around Heppell. I'd like to see him win his own footy more before I get on the bandwagon. I think he has shown plenty playing loose across half back.The bar has been raised this year with him spending more time in midfield. Conca has done it harder to this point.

 

[tigerT]

Heppell will be a star, his reaction time is extremely fast which might make him look like he's not getting contested touches but he is. He reminds me a lot of Pendlebury at that age, and as he fills out he'll only get better. I dont think conca will be as good, and can only assume it was an injury concern that stopped us recurring Heppell, because you don't bypass talent for need at that end of the draft, particular as both will be midfielders

that is true(re reaction times), Ive noticed that, he's a clean one grab player and gets rid of it very quickly and cleanly. But he's no Pendles... Heppell is very vanilla, like Gibbs, goes the easy safe option all the time, cant break lines with kicks or run and carry, its fine for the youngsters but in a couple of yrs ppl will be asking where is the hurt factor? Gibbs went from the flavour of the month in his first 2 seasons, to, even blues supporters like Terry tan getting fed up with his average games.

I think Conca gets a bum wrap, as those stats showed, there is nowhere near the gap clowns like terry tan would have you believe between them.

 

[Calcium Man]

I'll take conca for the simple fact he hasn't used PEDs and won't be ruled out for two years!

 

[docko911]

Player Statistics Comparison

Bachar Houli Name Dyson Heppell
Richmond Tigers Team Essendon Bombers
Defender Position Defender, Midfield
70 Career Games 44
Western Origin Gippsland Power
May 12, 1988 Date of Birth May 14, 1992
Turned 24 in 2012 Age Turned 20 in 2012
180cm Height 189cm
84kg Weight 85kg
2010 Pre-Season Draft Last Drafted In 2010 National Draft
Round 1, Pick #3 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #8
Richmond Tigers Last Drafted By Essendon Bombers
2012 Stats for Season 2012
22 Games 20
12.3 Kicks Per Game 12.5
9.1 Handballs Per Game 9.0
21.4 Disposals Per Game 21.5
5.0 Marks Per Game 5.6
0.1 Goals Per Game 0.2
0.1 Behinds Per Game 0.2
2.2 Tackles Per Game 3.0
0 Hitouts Per Game 0.4
0.6 Frees For Per Game 0.8
0.4 Frees Against Per Game 0.4
5.1 Contested Possessions Per Game 7.0
15.0 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 14.6
16.8 Effective Disposals Per Game 15.2
78.5% Effective Disposals % Per Game 70.7%
2.0 Clangers Per Game 2.2
0.3 Contested Marks Per Game 0.3
0 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0.1
1.0 Clearances Per Game 1.8
3.2 Rebound 50s Per Game 2.4
2.6 One Percenters Per Game 1.7
1.6 Bounces Per Game 0.6
84.6 Time On Ground % Per Game
87.8

"Pick 8" v "A player they delisted"

Much more related thread! As both players play the same position....

Conca is going to be an inside midfielder but you will not see his best for 2-4 years and his value will exceed Heppell's!

 

[johnno77]

Is there a block thread button? I think Reece will really hit his straps next season but will play his role this year.

 

[sregit]

Problem with the options offered was there was no option of ... I am not sure. It will take two more years to really know and even though I think Conca may end up the big game player as he appears harder, Heppell at this stage is slightly ahead based on performance even though their stats are very close.

 

[DrMike]

I am, but I have explored every option and can't seem to find one . If it was the bay I'd be saying divvy van this shit.

The button is up next to watch forum / watch thread up the top right (if it's the same)

 

[captain blood 17]

The button is up next to watch forum / watch thread up the top right (if it's the same)

Nah, no good. I have voiced my opinion, so I'll leave it at that for this thread.

 

[W. Smithers]

If we had of drafted Lucas Cook I would say yes, but Conca has shown good signs and is tracking nicely.

 

[Bird Man]

Conca isnt on preformance enhancing drugs that must be taken into consideration

 

[ebonyfalcon]

“It is too early to tell.”

Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, in response to Henry Kissinger's question as to his opinion on the French Revolution.

 

[DrMike]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/reece-conca.955514/

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/conca-coming-of-age.963150/

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/will-reece-conca.985426/

And now 4th since July - http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/conca-vs-heppell-did-fj-get-it-wrong.995063/

Edit: This is just thread titles search, will try inside threads

 

[tigerdan]

Heppel plays like a girl and looks like a girl. Essendon can keep him.

I actually think Conca is pretty good.

And I think this thread is shit.

 

[DrMike]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2010-2012-draftees-true-measure-of-fjs-success.984483/

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ellis.990772/

And I'm bored now

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

And I'm bored now

Oh I dont know about that ebonyfalcon came up with a great quote......

 

[The Rusty Trombone]

No. Compare the two from last year:

Kicks: Conca 11.2, Heppell 12.5
Handballs: Conca 8.2, Heppell 9.0
Disposals: Conca 19.4, Heppell 21.5
Marks: Conca 4.1, Heppell 5.6
Goals: Conca 0.3, Heppell 0.2
Tackles: Conca 3.2, Heppell 3.0
DE%: Conca 74.2%, Heppell 70.7%
Clangers: Conca 3.4, Heppell 2.2
Clearances: Conca 2.5, Heppel 1.8

And the big one:

Time on ground: Conca 76.4%, Heppell 87.8%

So basically the (small) difference between the two comes down solely to the fact that Conca isn't as capable yet of running out games and gets less game time. This is mainly because he's missed a couple of preseasons through injury. Once he builds up his fitness base those gaps will close. He also does a lot of selfless little team things that go unnoticed at stopages compared to Heppell who sort of just bounces around and waits for the ball to come out.

I think the comparison comes up for one reason: Everyone frothes at the mouth at the prospect of "yet another Richmond drafting failure". When Richmond took a player tipped to go at pick 15-20 with pick 6 they wet their lips. When Heppell had a good NAB cup and got a rising star nomination in round 1 they were ready to pounce. When he was pantsed by the best small forward in the game despite playing out of position they went in for the kill. So from that round on it was decided that Conca over Heppell was "yet another Richmond draft failure". The fact that he's been one of the better performed players from his draft gets ignored.

Nobody ever mentions Day over Heppell, or Polec over Heppell, or Caddy over Heppell despite the fact Conca has been better than all three. Simply because the prospect of "yet another Brisbane drafting failure" isn't very exciting.

Both have truley sh$t hair styles but this is a very good post imo . I'd be happy to make a comparison after watching Heppell play some accountable footy , maybe this year.

 

[DrMike]

Heppell doesn't play for Richmond, **** him.

 

[tigerdan]

Heppell looks all class and silk, likely to be the next Bombers captain.

Because he gets cheap kicks and looks like a pretty boy? If that's the criteria then you are spot on.