Confiscatoin - do schools have a right??

[hourn]

Who here reckons schools have a right to confiscate possesions of students??

my personal belief, and probably cause i'm still more or less in school (just finishing up now), is that they can't, and i reckon if you threatened to take them to court over it they'd give in straight away because if you went to court, I can not see how the school could possibly win, hence that would set a precedent that schools wouldn't want because they'd no longer be able to confiscate things of students.


what do people think on this issue.

 

[ozzult]

I don't know if this true or not, but it's just my opinion.

They should have the right to confiscate posessions from you during the time of school, ie 9.00AM to 3.15PM, any time after that and it shouldn't be allowed.

For example, if you bring something inappopriate to school, and the teacher sees it they should be allowed to take it off you and then they have to give it back to you at 3.15PM and then give you a lecture about not bringing it to school.

They shouldn't have the right to confiscate items for longer periods than that.

PS -- What brought this up? Did you get your bong confiscated or something

 

[hourn]

Originally posted by ozzult
PS -- What brought this up? Did you get your bong confiscated or something

haha, no, i got my girl a necklace for her birthday last tuesday and at her school they're not aloud to were jewerrly (how gay is that??) and she wore it to school on the wednesday and they had a meeting or some gay crap and teachers were checking for jewelryat the door and she woulda had it taken off her if one her friends didn't tell her that

so that just got me thinking if they have a right.

 

[ozzult]

Would they have given it back to her at the end of the day?

 

[The Hitman]

Dunno about the right to confiscate, but by looking at you, they didn't have the right to educate.

The Hitman

 

[hourn]

Originally posted by ozzult
Would they have given it back to her at the end of the day?

i'm not sure, she said she wasn't sure on what they'd do.

but i know at my school there are times when you dont get things back for a term which is absolute crap IMO.

 

[carlyp]

haha, no, i got my girl a necklace for her birthday last tuesday and at her school they're not aloud to were jewerrly (how gay is that??) and she wore it to school on the wednesday and they had a meeting or some gay crap and teachers were checking for jewelryat the door and she woulda had it taken off her if one her friends didn't tell her that

so that just got me thinking if they have a right.



were not allowed to wear jewelery either.

 

[Tony_Clifton]

They cannot confiscate it but they can ask you to give it to them. If you refuse they may call your parent or legal guardian and ask them if they can take it off you. If the parents refuse the school kid gets suspended until the situation can be solved.

 

[Portia]

Might makes right, and possession is nine-tenths of the law.

 

[Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk]

absolutely not!!! I almost smacked one of them farkin bitch teachers off her highhorse one time coz she tried to take my phone. Screamed the classroom down making a fool of her in front of the whole class and she sent me to the principle who then tried further intimidation tactics on me to get the phone......still wouldnt let her.

Why should ya hand anything over to them its not as if they can actually touch u and rip it off u or u could sue the ****ers easily and it would cost them more than its even worth!

Earrings was always a thing they'd try to take as well and seeing as i have about 10 of them all very expensive theres no way in hell i would hand them over. I remember in private school they had the nerve to try and make us wear plastic see through ones too

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by hourn


haha, no, i got my girl a necklace for her birthday last tuesday and at her school they're not aloud to were jewerrly (how gay is that??) and she wore it to school on the wednesday and they had a meeting or some gay crap and teachers were checking for jewelryat the door and she woulda had it taken off her if one her friends didn't tell her that

so that just got me thinking if they have a right.

Well if they arent allowed to wear jewellery to school then why would she wear it to school?? Sounds a bit daft to me.

 

[saiak]

Originally posted by Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk
absolutely not!!! I almost smacked one of them farkin bitch teachers off her highhorse one time coz she tried to take my phone.

Thanks Spider for the laugh...

Like I said...she tells it like it is.

You are a breath of fresh air on BF Spidey...people say Suzi brightens their day but she just runs around dobbing on people so I like your posts.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk
absolutely not!!! I almost smacked one of them farkin bitch teachers off her highhorse one time

Why should ya hand anything over to them its not as if they can actually touch u and rip it off u or u could sue the ****ers easily and it would cost them more than its even worth!

And i bet if you had of smacked her she would of sued the arse of you too!!

 

[Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk]

Originally posted by saiak


Thanks Spider for the laugh...

Like I said...she tells it like it is.

You are a breath of fresh air on BF Spidey...people say Suzi brightens their day but she just runs around dobbing on people so I like your posts.

A friend of mine was in school a while back and her phone started vibrating...the teacher (somehow) heard the vibration and told her to take it out...she wouldn't and the teacher started farking screaming at her. She actually slapped the teacher.

She likes her new school

thanx again

and like your friend...my phone was on silent too so it just vibrated and this was during a spare anyway 6th period of the day when she should have actually let us go home anyway.

bloody idiots! would like to see wot they'd do if they confiscated something so valuable like a phone and actually lost it!

 

[prized bitch]

The majority of students would know the rules and guidelines regarding the uniform etc at their school, so I personally dont see any problem in a teacher asking that any items such as necklaces be removed, not necessarily confiscated though. Besides, school is a place you go to learn, not show off the latest fashion and accessories.

 

[PrideofSA]

Originally posted by prized bitch
The majority of students would know the rules and guidelines regarding the uniform etc at their school, so I personally dont see any problem in a teacher asking that any items such as necklaces be removed, not necessarily confiscated though. Besides, school is a place you go to learn, not show off the latest fashion and accessories.

Who are u kidding, as soon as we had casual days or hit yr 11 and didn't have to wear uniform we all wore our best clothes! By the end of yr 12 however, no one gave a **** and we all wore crappy t-shirts with holes in them and a pair of boardies!

We even had showers on the days when we didn't have to be there in lesson 1....or was that just me!

 

[prized bitch]

Apart from free dress days about twice a year, I've always had to wear a school uniform. I think uniforms are a great leveller, it doesnt put pressure on other kids to have the latest fashion just so that they can look like the so called "in" group.

 

[you_idiot]

Seeing that my wife teaches primary school kids, I know Jen will have her say about this later on. In fact, I know she will have a field day with this.

But I know just one of the things she might say-- and one which I agree with wholeheartedly... it all comes to respect, the kids do not seem to have respect for their teachers anymore.

When I was growing up, me and my classmates were always testing our teachers to see what we could get away with. But as a generalization, it seems that kids can get away with a lot more these days, and it seems inversely proportionate to the whole issue of respect. The less respect, the more they'll test the limits, therefore.

What do the rest of you think?

Cheers,
William

 

[Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk]

Originally posted by you_idiot
But I know just one of the things she might say-- and one which I agree with wholeheartedly... it all comes to respect, the kids do not seem to have respect for their teachers anymore.

When I was growing up, me and my classmates were always testing our teachers to see what we could get away with. But as a generalization, it seems that kids can get away with a lot more these days, and it seems inversely proportionate to the whole issue of respect. The less respect, the more they'll test the limits, therefore.

Agreed but the teachers definately do not respect the students which is why they have so much trouble. The ones that i had confrontations with did not treat me like an adult and i think once ya hit year 10 u should be treated like a friend and not a little child by the teachers. Teachers who i were on friendly terms with treated me as if i were one of them and i found the ones who had this attitude never had any confrontations with students.

Like Jen i have worked with children too in childcare, kindergartens and in schools and i have found that no matter wot age they r if u just treat the students as if they are your friends and don't talk down to them like they r some second rate piece of garbage like a lot of teachers do then u will not have much trouble with them at all and everyone will get along just fine!

 

[Portia]

I had very little respect for most of my teachers.

 

[Bomber Spirit]

Originally posted by hourn
Who here reckons schools have a right to confiscate possesions of students??

Students should know what the rules are and what they are and aren't allowed to bring to school. And if they break those rules, they suffer the consequences.
And if the items are dangerous and could be used to harm other students, then the school has not just a right but a responsibility to the other students to make sure these items are removed.

 

[Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk]

cant see anything wrong with getting punished for breaking the rules just as long as the punishment is not actually taking another persons property as i feel that is a violation of ones rights. Why not suspend the student instead?

 

[Danni]

When a parent enrolls their child in a school they are provided with the schools guidelines on many issues and as those issues change or more are added, or some are removed, the parents are advised in writing normally via a school newletter.

Parents and schools are working in tandem to satisfy the minimum legal requirment set by the government in relation to compulsory education, and when a parent enrolls a child at a particular school they are agreeing to the guidelines as set down by that school. By agreeing to those guidelines and enrolling you, your parents are giving the school legal guardianship and responsibility for you during the school day and whilst on school premises.

The schools and their teaching staff are also almost what could be described as 'pseudo parents' during the school day, and the rules normally cover from the time a student leaves their parents care, till they are returned to their parents care (ie travelling too and from school as well).

If your parent has given a school the legal responsibility for you as a student by enrolling you into that school, then the school has every right to confiscate something that is not permitted under their guidelines. They do not have the right to retain that item in perpetuaty which would be paramount to stealing, they do however have the right to remove the item from your possession as many times as they see fit should you keep breaking the rules/guidelines by continually returning with the item, and can then also set other punishment such as suspension for repeat offenses.

If you don't like what the school is doing, get your parents to take it up with the school, the school has no legal right to go against any reasonable request from a parent. But if your parents are in agreement with the school - you have no hope.

 

[Bomber Spirit]

Originally posted by Spidergirl~RiCkChiCk
Why not suspend the student instead?

Rather like sentencing a rabbit to detention in a carrot farm.

 

[you_idiot]

Originally posted by Porthos
I had very little respect for most of my teachers.

As a prospective parent-in-continual-training, I think the follow-up question begs asking... why didn't you or your peers have respect for your teachers-- and moreover, why do you think the kids today have even less respect for them now?

Personally, I think it all starts in the home, it's the parents' duty (too harsh of a word, perhaps) to engrain a sense of honour and respect for one's elders in their kids, and somehow, from what we've seen from some kids, that just doesn't seem to exist anymore. That might be the fault of some parents, certainly, but I'm sure that there are other sociological and societal factors involved, too.

Cheers,
William