List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade/Draft Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 2

[Keys]

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Harley Reid extends to 2028

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List Changes - 2025

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• Oscar Allen advises intention to explore Free Agency
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle
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  Jack Petruccelle

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  , Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Liam Ryan has requested a trade to St Kilda but is contracted for 2026
• Campbell Chesser (uncontracted) has requested a trade to Carlton
• List would be 37 (31 main, 4 rookie, 2 Cat B)

Players out of Contract 2025 (5)

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• Oscar Allen (19/3/99) - Signed a 3 year extension (2023-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2022 in May 2021
• Campbell Chesser (27/4/03) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) on an existing contract due to expire 2023 in May 2022
• Jamie Cripps (23/4/92) - Signed a 2 year extension (2024-25) in August 2023
• (R-B) Coen Livingstone (25/5/05) - Signed a 1 year extension (2025) in September 2024
• (R-B) Malakai Champion (17/5/06) - Automatic 1 year contract (2025) when added as a Cat B Rookie in November 2024

Provisional 2025 Draft order

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Key Offseason Dates

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Fri Oct 3 - Fri Oct 10: 2025 Free Agency Period
Mon Oct 6 - Wed Oct 15: 2025 AFL Trade Period
Wed Nov 19 - Thu Nov 20: 2025 AFL Draft

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Spitballing on what I wouldn’t mind us doing this trade/draft based on a healthy dose of wishful thinking

Assuming the AFL take pity on us and agree to our assistance package meaning-
• 2x additional Cat B spots with the ability to prelist our NGA players
• 2x additional rookie list spots
• An end of R1 priority pick
• An additional 2026 R2 priority pick tied to our finishing position that must be traded for an established player
• Our request to not dilute any FA compensation if we add a FA to be denied

Trade out -
• Allen in return for pick 2 as FA compensation
• Ryan and our F4 pick for St Kilda’s F2 and F3 picks
• Chesser and the St Kilda F3 pick for Carlton’s F2 pick (might need to be our F3 pick though)

Delist - Barnett

Trade in -
• Neale and Starcevich for the Hawthorn R2 and R3 picks we hold
• McVee and Melbourne’s F3 pick for the priority F2 pick that must be traded (alternatively Ah Chee and Brisbane’s F3 pick)

Pick swaps -
• Trade pick 1 and our F2 to Essendon for pick 5 and their F1
• Trade our end of R1 priority pick and our R2 pick to the loser of Gold Coast v Brisbane for their R1 pick

Go to the draft with picks 2,5,15,16 and our R4 pick (assuming Crows beat Hawks)

Draft -
• Pick 2 - Cumming
• Pick 5 - Sharp (assumes Richmond overlook him with their two picks)
• Picks 15 and 16 - Best available
• R4 pick - Banfield (F/S)
• Evans and Williams added to Cat B list

Would leave us with the two additional rookie spots to fill which would be a choice between any two of the following:
• Rookie listing Barnett
• Adding Walley as a Cat B and moving Livingstone to the rookie list or delisting him
• Using the first pick in the rookie draft on a slider or mature aged state league player
• Adding a DFA post draft or leave a spot open to look at a train on option to be added as a SSP

My preference would be to add Walley, keep only one of Barnett/Livingstone and keep a train on spot open - Robertson, Tunstill, Blight, Murdoch, Parfitt, Winder would be some of the options I’d look at

In - Neale, Starcevich, McVee (or Ah Chee), Cumming, Sharp, Pick 15(TBA), Pick 16(TBA), Banfield, Evans, Williams, Walley, SSP(TBA)

We would also hold the following 2026 draft picks:
• 2x R1 - Ours and Essendon’s
• 2x R2 - St Kilda’s and Carlton’s
• 2x R3 - Ours and Melbourne’s

Which gives us four teams to deathride

Yes, I was bored

I'd be up for death riding Essendon, but i think they are probably aware of how they might go next year and won't trade that pick, even for Duursma.

The other note is that we could also look to trade 15 and 16 for 6 and a F2 from GC if didn't want too many kids in this year.

Having said that 15 and 16 might be the sweet spot for Fred/Farrow

In other news, this also way too many trades/changes occurring in one offseason. Not sure the boys in the front office could manage that many things at once.

 

[pantskyle]

Unless the AFL grant our wish to have the OA compensation pick protected if we take Starcevich, my guess is we will trade for him.

If the AFL give us an end-of-first round pick to trade, would that pick plus Hawthorn’s first (pick 14/15-ish) and the pick we get for Chesser (44-ish) be enough for Neale and Starcevich (given that Brisbane would otherwise get almost nothing for him in a FA scenario)?

So, picks 14, 20, 44 for Neale and Starcevich?

Just a thought, or am I undervaluing the players here?

Way overs. No reason to include 14. 20 would get it done and the token pick for Neale as well, he'll be a salary dump.

 

[beagles]

Have we turned into a retirement village for older AFL players ready for a sunset season

Happened last year and now more retirement rumours.

 

[Keys]

Unless the AFL grant our wish to have the OA compensation pick protected if we take Starcevich, my guess is we will trade for him.

If the AFL give us an end-of-first round pick to trade, would that pick plus Hawthorn’s first (pick 14/15-ish) and the pick we get for Chesser (44-ish) be enough for Neale and Starcevich (given that Brisbane would otherwise get almost nothing for him in a FA scenario)?

So, picks 14, 20, 44 for Neale and Starcevich?

Just a thought, or am I undervaluing the players here?

Starcevich is a restricted free agent so the relevant question is whether or not Brisbane have the cap space to match our offer to force a trade. I doubt they do but if they can match then I suspect Starcevich would stay at Brisbane

If they can’t then they’d be getting zero compensation for him no matter where he goes since Allen and Draper are both joining them as free agents

So anything we offer them would be a bonus

As for Neale, it again depends on how much cap space they have and how willing they are to hold onto a player who might only have a couple of years left. Harder to know what we might have to trade out for him but it only really works if it’s a modest pick

 

[shooshka]

Spitballing on what I wouldn’t mind us doing this trade/draft based on a healthy dose of wishful thinking

Assuming the AFL take pity on us and agree to our assistance package meaning-
• 2x additional Cat B spots with the ability to prelist our NGA players
• 2x additional rookie list spots
• An end of R1 priority pick
• An additional 2026 R2 priority pick tied to our finishing position that must be traded for an established player
• Our request to not dilute any FA compensation if we add a FA to be denied

Trade out -
• Allen in return for pick 2 as FA compensation
• Ryan and our F4 pick for St Kilda’s F2 and F3 picks
• Chesser and the St Kilda F3 pick for Carlton’s F2 pick (might need to be our F3 pick though)

Delist - Barnett

Trade in -
• Neale and Starcevich for the Hawthorn R2 and R3 picks we hold
• McVee and Melbourne’s F3 pick for the priority F2 pick that must be traded (alternatively Ah Chee and Brisbane’s F3 pick)

Pick swaps -
• Trade pick 1 and our F2 to Essendon for pick 5 and their F1
• Trade our end of R1 priority pick and our R2 pick to the loser of Gold Coast v Brisbane for their R1 pick

Go to the draft with picks 2,5,15,16 and our R4 pick (assuming Crows beat Hawks)

Draft -
• Pick 2 - Cumming
• Pick 5 - Sharp (assumes Richmond overlook him with their two picks)
• Picks 15 and 16 - Best available
• R4 pick - Banfield (F/S)
• Evans and Williams added to Cat B list

Would leave us with the two additional rookie spots to fill which would be a choice between any two of the following:
• Rookie listing Barnett
• Adding Walley as a Cat B and moving Livingstone to the rookie list or delisting him
• Using the first pick in the rookie draft on a slider or mature aged state league player
• Adding a DFA post draft or leave a spot open to look at a train on option to be added as a SSP

My preference would be to add Walley, keep only one of Barnett/Livingstone and keep a train on spot open - Robertson, Tunstill, Blight, Murdoch, Parfitt, Winder would be some of the options I’d look at

In - Neale, Starcevich, McVee (or Ah Chee), Cumming, Sharp, Pick 15(TBA), Pick 16(TBA), Banfield, Evans, Williams, Walley, SSP(TBA)

We would also hold the following 2026 draft picks:
• 2x R1 - Ours and Essendon’s
• 2x R2 - St Kilda’s and Carlton’s
• 2x R3 - Ours and Melbourne’s

Which gives us four teams to deathride

Yes, I was bored

Why the desire to trade pick 1 (unless there are massive overs on offer. 5 + F1 is probably a little over but also risky).

Duursma is athletic and can find the footy, then CDT who is nominal #2 is much higher risk.

It feels a little like 2023 (not as high end as HR) where #1 is so obvious it needs to be a significant offer to shift the pick.

 

[Hook461123]

Would love Neale and Starcevich.
We’ve got no one else to pay, so get it done Eagles

Think we really need a sugar hit for fans and players. For that reason I don’t think we will target future picks.

Ryan for McVee (saints F2 to melb)
Chesser for a pick upgrade. Blues needs points and likely to lose the pick in Dean bid.
10 for 17, 31 Chesser

In
Neale, Starc, McVee, Blight (DFA), pick 10

Out
Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Pick 17,31

Draft
(1)Duursma, (2)Sharp, (10) Schubert, (25ish) Dovaston (FS) Banfield

If we get extra picks and list spots as assistance, then we can target some other established players. A decent ruck would be nice but doesn’t appear too many available.

 

[Westend]

Some good posts thanks keys

With all this speculation regarding splitting picks Neale Starce Duursma Sharp..etc

Has there been any news on the ruck situation ???...for the whole season the whole board has been up in arms about how poor our rucks are.

Are we doing anything about it ??.....or or we happy to keep Bailey Flynn with A reid as backup

So far I have heard nothing

 

[Woutizmoo]

Have we turned into a retirement village for older AFL players ready for a sunset season

Happened last year and now more retirement rumours.

Zorko had a lot of good words to say about Hodge coming over for a 'sunset' season in his 300th presser. I don't mind the idea of someone coming over if they are going to provide leadership for a few years

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

for the whole season the whole board has been up in arms about how poor our rucks are.

Well I think it's been a bit more nuanced that that. Some have been wanting to throw everything at the likes of Cameron, or using Pick 1/2 on CDT, others argue that ruck doesn't really matter (while pointing at the ruckmen of the top 8, Freo probably had the best ruck combo and just got knocked out in Week 1 at home, Melbourne with Gawn didn't even make the Top 8...), and that the midfield is more important to build.

I'm in the latter camp, whilst also not rating our ruck stocks at all

 

[chaddy22]

Also, one for the peanut gallery.

Neale injured his quad after round 21, and now calf in the QF.
That is two, separate soft tissue injuries in the space of just over a month.

I'm all for approaching Neale, but if you're expecting the same durability he has shown in the past 10 years - you will be sorely disappointed.

Are you confusing him with Yeo?

 

[Elite Pete]

Gettable update (for non listeners a fair bit of Eagles related stuff late)

Gave the Hawks fans a back hander saying they wouldn’t offer that deal to Harley. Was 100% offered.

Walter has had a deal on the table from the Suns for a while. Cal believes that will be upped and he will sign.

Flanders likely to explore his options. Victoria mentioned.

Robey possible top 10 pick now. Was well and truely on some clubs radar but now on everyone’s.

Fiorini has interest from clubs (Port and Essendon mentioned)

Teams ain’t expected to take many picks at the draft.

Ryan valued at between F2-F3.

Cheeser valued at Blues 34 pick this year. (Hard one to value)

Davies expected to stay now. Did look around but no club said come here and we will give you a long term deal.

Cal Ah Chee likely at the Crows next year. (Eagles not even mentioned)

Eagles pick 1&2 Duursma and CDT (if we get it) separated themselves. If they only get pick 1 he doesn’t know who we would take. Compared CDT to Thilthorpe development a little as a forward in u18s.

Eagles draft package assistance. Unlikely get the free hit at Starcevich but will use their end of first round pick that has to be traded if we get it. Likely will get something. Starcevich decision still unknown though.

Future access to FS and NGA still in discussions.

 

[chaddy22]

Mnn..not buying the Lacky Neale rumours. Didn't Fyfe just retire and he was Purple!

Are we being played again!

Fyfe played mainly as a sub. They just re-signed Erasamus and also have Johnson to develop.

 

[Dark Sharks]

So many jokers on here pretending to know what a sweet dead cat bounce is.

Philistines.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Gettable update (for non listeners a fair bit of Eagles related stuff late)

Gave the Hawks fans a back hander saying they wouldn’t offer that deal to Harley. Was 100% offered.

Walter has had a deal on the table from the Suns for a while. Cal believes that will be upped and he will sign.

Flanders likely to explore his options. Victoria mentioned.

Robey possible top 10 pick now. Was well and truely on some clubs radar but now on everyone’s.

Fiorini has interest from clubs (Port and Essendon mentioned)

Teams ain’t expected to take many picks at the draft.

Ryan valued at between F2-F3.

Cheeser valued at Blues 34 pick this year. (Hard one to value)

Davies expected to stay now. Did look around but no club said come here and we will give you a long term deal.

Cal Ah Chee likely at the Crows next year. (Eagles not even mentioned)

Eagles pick 1&2 Duursma and CDT (if we get it) separated themselves. If they only get pick 1 he doesn’t know who we would take. Linked CDT to Thilthorpe development a little as a forward in u18s.

Eagles draft package assistance. Unlikely get the free hit at Starcevich but will use their end of first round pick that has to be traded if we get it. Likely will get something. Starcevich decision still unknown though.

Future access to FS and NGA still in discussions.

Nightmare.

 

[Bender_]

Lachlan Neale already our best player

Can't wait until they rename Jamieson Oval to Neale Oval.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Would take CDT if we traded down and still managed to draft Sharp plus another first rounder that isn't just Starcevich as part of an assistance package forced trade.

 

[Jootube]

Ryan valued at between F2-F3.

Forgive my ignorance, but how can Marshall be worth a late first round pick (29 years old, 0 AAs, 0 BnF, top third of ruckman), while Liam Ryan (28 years old, 1 AA, 0 BnF, top third of Gen.Fwds) worth a F2 to F3?

Either Marshall is being significantly overrated, or Ryan underrated IMO.

I tend to think it's a bit of A & B - I would think both are worth early 2nd rounders.

 

[Elite Pete]

Forgive my ignorance, but how can Marshall be worth a late first round pick (29 years old, 0 AAs, 0 BnF, top third of ruckman), while Liam Ryan (28 years old, 1 AA, 0 BnF, top third of Gen.Fwds) worth a F2 to F3?

Either Marshall is being significantly overrated, or Ryan underrated IMO.

I tend to think it's a bit of A & B - I would think both are worth early 2nd rounders.

They did say it’s hard to value.

Marshall is a better player and contracted for 1 extra year compared to Ryan.

I like Cal but he always has his Bombers blinkers on. He mentioned why would the Bombers trade contracted players when they have enough picks and this isn’t the draft to do it. Yet doesn’t ever bring that argument up for other teams in the same situation.

 

[Hook461123]

So according to Gettable, we are meant to trade our assistance package pick to the Lions for Starcevich even though they would've got nothing for him through free agency. It's not like they could compete with our $ offer.

Instead of allowing us to not offset our free agency compo for Allen, they manufacture an extra pick that will go to the Lions that they wouldn't have got.
Sounds more like an assistance pick for the Lions rather than us.

I guess we at least don't use our own draft capital for it, but I thought the Eagles idea was actually a good one as it doesn't dilute the draft. I don't get how it disadvantages the Lions. Couldn't they still match regardless of what happens to our compo?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Nightmare.

Laughable. CTD standout feature is his running efficiency; any comparison to Thilthorpe is absurd.

 

[Jootube]

They did say it’s hard to value.

Marshall is a better player and contracted for 1 extra year compared to Ryan.

Is he though? Maybe I have Eagles blinkers on, but I have Marshall in the top 10 ruckman in the AFL - but that does not say much when there are only 25-30 full time, 1st choice ruckman in the AFL.

He's clearly behind: Gawn, Grundy, Xerri, Jackson, Cameron, Witts, English, TDK - then it's a toss up with Meek, Nank, Briggs, O'Brien.

Ryan would be best 22 at every club in the AFL - Marshall can't say the same.

 

[Elite Pete]

Is he though? Maybe I have Eagles blinkers on, but I have Marshall in the top 10 ruckman in the AFL - but that does not say much when there are only 25-30 full time, 1st choice ruckman in the AFL.

He's clearly behind: Gawn, Grundy, Xerri, Jackson, Cameron, Witts, English, TDK - then it's a toss up with Meek, Nank, Briggs, O'Brien.

Ryan would be best 22 at every club in the AFL - Marshall can't say the same.

Yea, If we had Marshall (even without ruck issues) and straight swapped him for Ryan we would riot more than the pick 3 split last year.

The rumoured contracts are Ryan’s 3y + 1 @$600k, Marshall 3y x $900k.

 

[WCE777]

I would like it normally, but I'm of the opinion this year isn't the year we kick the draft capital down the road with one caveat.

Taking another 7 kids this year makes us very young, I think that would be 28 on the list under 22.

The caveat is having all those picks next year allows us to target A grade 23-26yo talent next trade period. My only thoughts on that is, if we have someone already in the pipeline, surely we should dangle the carrot now.

This, now is the time.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

We had our dead cat bounce last year.

I prefer the West Coast Eagles sentiment cycle.

January - Optimism
February - Excitement
March - Thrill & Euphoria
April - Denial
May - Fear
June - Desperation
July - Panic
August - Capitulation
September - Despondency
October -Depression
November - Hope
December - Relief

 

[Jootube]

Yea, If we had Marshall (even without ruck issues) and straight swapped him for Ryan we would riot more than the pick 3 split last year.

The rumoured contracts are Ryan’s 3y + 1 @$600k, Marshall 3y x $900k.

We'll have to agree to disagree.
A first rounder for Marshall is valuing him on his 2023 form and F2/F3 feels like mistaken identity for Willie (again).