List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

[Avalor]

From my viewpoint, just take Duursma and CDT - no brainer clear picks at 1 and 2. Don't suff around with them. Can play around with the other picks.

 

[txbyhull]

If CDT was 2 inches taller I would have no issue taking him

 

[wceeaglesfan]

Pick 2 + F2 + F3 for ESS pick 5 and 6
Would Essendon do this?

 

[Keys]

Can you elaborate on this for me. I thought we were pretty safe with all our picks to cover any bids for our NGA's. Will we most likely lose Williams if he is bid on before 37?

Or is it more of a case where we can get Williams by using many later picks but it may cost us one or more of our other NGA's or F/S like Banfield or Evans for eg if we do payout for Williams?

Good chance in this draft that Williams is bid on before 37, I would've thought.

From pick 37 onwards you no longer need points to match a bid as it only requires your next available pick regardless of where it is - could be pick 80

Prior to that you need points to match - a bid at pick 36 for example needs 233 points which is equivalent to pick 40 (238 points)

In essence, pick 36/37 is the cutoff where matching a bid for Williams no longer requires any real decision. Prior to that you have to decide whether what you give up to match is better used on a player other than Williams

If we go all in with picks 14,34,38 to move into the top 10 then our ability to match a bid for Williams is compromised

Holding one or both of those picks in the thirties might be preferable as it gives us the ability to match a bid if we rate Williams in that range. And if a bid doesn’t come there might be a player that slides through who we can take whilst then still being able to match a Williams bid

Banfield isn’t projecting to be inside the top 50 so a list spot is all we need to be able to match a bid for him

Evans is the concern in that I think we may not have enough list spots to hold a position for him during the main draft so will be sweating on him going through without a bid so we can add him as a Cat B. There’s a very real risk we might miss out on him

Walley seems unlikely to get a bid and there’s some people smarter than me who watched him through the champs that don’t consider him draftable. In all likelihood though I suspect he’ll take Livingstone’s spot on the Cat B list

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

That’s exactly what clubs do when drafting? Clubs always look at potential upside and what attributes certain guys have, there’s plenty of guys who are among the best performers against their cohort in their draft year that don’t even get drafted or go late because of how limited they are.

But they get it wrong an awful lot.

Lachie Neale went at 57. Tsatas went at 5. Brander's upside was huge.

It's very hard to tell. They're guessing. Every year there's maybe one slider. Last year it was Murphy Reid. Look how that turned out.

I agree that they factor in upside, but it's far from an exact science.

 

[dajesmac]

Would be staggered if they trade Humphrey's.

Given that GC have him contracted, you’re right they could easily hold firm.

BH himself reckons it’s a good chance, whatever that’s worth.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Pick 2 + F2 + F3 for ESS pick 5 and 6
Would Essendon do this?

I don't understand why you are so desperate to split without have a good ideas of the outcome? If the perceived outcome is better, sure. If it's not, then don't do it. Yet you want to split before you know the outcome?

 

[Proeagle]

From pick 37 onwards you no longer need points to match a bid as it only requires your next available pick regardless of where it is - could be pick 80

Prior to that you need points to match - a bid at pick 36 for example needs 233 points which is equivalent to pick 40 (238 points)

In essence, pick 36/37 is the cutoff where matching a bid for Williams no longer requires any real decision. Prior to that you have to decide whether what you give up to match is better used on a player other than Williams

If we go all in with picks 14,34,38 to move into the top 10 then our ability to match a bid for Williams is compromised

Holding one or both of those picks in the thirties might be preferable as it gives us the ability to match a bid if we rate Williams in that range. And if a bid doesn’t come there might be a player that slides through who we can take whilst then still being able to match a Williams bid

Banfield isn’t projecting to be inside the top 50 so a list spot is all we need to be able to match a bid for him

Evans is the concern in that I think we may not have enough list spots to hold a position for him during the main draft so will be sweating on him going through without a bid so we can add him as a Cat B. There’s a very real risk we might miss out on him

Walley seems unlikely to get a bid and there’s some people smarter than me who watched him through the champs that don’t consider him draftable. In all likelihood though I suspect he’ll take Livingstone’s spot on the Cat B list

Great thanks for that Keys. I didnt know about the cutoff at 37 rule. Strange rule but good to know.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

I’ve only had a brief look to be fair; but I rate Hibbet- Hargreaves higher than Dovaston. Enlighten me !

 

[WCE777]

It would be an interesting mix of KPDs

Edwards 200cm 25 years
Brock 198cm 23
Young 196cm 27
Bazzo 195cm 22
Aleer 194cm 24
Ginbey 191cm 21

Hough 191cm 22
Starc 187cm 26

We’ve got Edwards to take the genuine big units, and realistically most teams don’t have two monster forwards so it’s debatable if you need two 195cm+ defenders, especially if you are sacrificing some athleticism and speed compared to a hybrid tall like Ginbey or Aleer. Having said that, Aleer is only 2cm shorter than Young and holds the running vertical record of 107cm (5cm higher than Nic Nat) so I’d say he can play tall. Also has played/trained alongside one of the best defensive groups in the league (Taylor/Buckley/Idun).

Ginbey and Aleer could form a dynamic duo and free up some flexibility depending on match ups for one of them to play more as an interceptor or provide some dash which is important to our game plan, especially if TMac is up the ground now we have Starc and Hough as our mid sized defenders.

Aleer is also from SA so may not be married to the idea of a VIC move.

I don’t really see it with Brock, and I’m not sure the club does either given they are hunting for a new KPD. But he’s still young so he has time and can develop in the WAFL.

Absolutely agree that a B-grade established mid should be the priority but I just don’t see one coming now. Rowbotttom I have as a rung down from Simpkin and starting to get into the areas where I wouldn’t bother. But for a second rounder I guess we would do it. His stats are very similar to Jack Graham prior to joining us and he came for free. I’m not sure two defensive mids like that in our side would help the attacking game plan so would want to be sure Rowbottom had another level to go to in terms of extracting and accumulating the footy above his 16 disposal average.

He’s also from VIC so I doubt he would choose us, plus he loses a couple of points for being related to BT.

While I agree with your thoughts on positions for what we have I am not of the opinion that Aleer is any better than what we have, he may be better than Bazzo but Bazzo is on the edge of our team and probably won't make it as anymore than backup.

You very rarely need more than 2 KPD's in any side and the other positions are made up of lock down defenders, rebound defenders etc.
We have no KPD's besides Edwards and Brock, that's why T Young is coming to sure up the position and probably replace Bazzo.
Brock has actually performed well this year and still has improvement in his game as a CHB with his intercepting and has athleticism, not sure Aleer is any better than Brock otherwise he would be getting games in front of Idun imo.

Better to draft a KPD and develop than trade for an asset that's no better than we have imo.

 

[Keys]

Given that GC have him contracted, you’re right they could easily hold firm.

BH himself reckons it’s a good chance, whatever that’s worth.

The challenge for Gold Coast right now is finding a way to get Petracca in whilst keeping enough points to secure all their academy players

Trading Humphrey solves that problem but it’ll hurt because they’d be letting go a very good, high impact player who’s still only 21

Personally, I’d be telling Melbourne they’d need Petracca plus something extra if they want Humphrey. That could be picks or it could be paying some of Petracca’s salary for the next 4 years

 

[new breed]

Mitch Marsh is the all-rounder type forward that will compliment the forward line , we have the picks that make it possible as a luxury pick .

 

[Keys]

Great thanks for that Keys. I didnt know about the cutoff at 37 rule. Strange rule but good to know.

In the mythical beast that is an uncompromised draft, pick 37 would be the first pick of R3 - that’s where the cutoff comes

R1 (1-18) the points to match a bid is discounted by 10%
R2 (19-36) there’s a fixed discount of 84 points to the points needed to match
R3 onwards (37+) it’s simply your next pick

 

[archiemoses]

From Twomey’s latest article

TYLAR YOUNG​

A deal for Young was inching closer late last week, with hopes it will be one of the first completed to start the Trade Period's final 72 hours. Richmond has eyed West Coast's No.34 pick in recent negotiations, but there has been haggling over whether the Eagles could talk the Tigers down to the No.38 or 41 selections. West Coast has been hopeful of moving up the board, so wants to keep as many mid-level picks as possible.


It better be 41 at best lol.

I think we can all agree on this.

Pick in the 30s. Bad
Pick 41. On par
Pick in the 50s. Good

 

[Peptide Pig]

I'm surprised Starc is only 187. Genuinely thought he was closer to 195. He looks big out on the field and not just the biceps.

And I am very bullish on Brock if he keeps getting game time. Very mobile for a 198cm and had some good games considering his inexperience. Personally I dont think we need Aleer other than making Aleer or Brock as a backup.

Brock has good speed and agility for his height, just needs to add some size/strength so he doesn’t get pushed around so easily. Hopefully he can hit the balance between those attributes.

Starc does have some elite pipes. Wouldn’t mind brining my cuck chair to watch him and Reuben go rep for rep in the weights room this summer

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

I’ve only had a brief look to be fair; but I rate Hibbet- Hargreaves higher than Dovaston. Enlighten me !

NHH looks inconsistent to me. Game winner one day, quiet for the next 3.

 

[wceeaglesfan]

I don't understand why you are so desperate to split without have a good ideas of the outcome? If the perceived outcome is better, sure. If it's not, then don't do it. Yet you want to split before you know the outcome?

Because I don’t rate any of the guys we would take at 2, CDT and Dyson both have huge risks. I would rather have 2 picks and potentially draft cumming + Aidan Schubert or gryl.

 

[Underdog]

I think we can all agree on this.

Pick in the 30s. Bad
Pick 41. On par
Pick in the 50s. Good

There's such minimal difference between any of those picks that I wouldn't even attribute a grade to it - particularly in a weak draft. Of course, we'd rather pay less, but is there any real tangible difference between those picks? I wouldn't have thought so.

Like, pick 38 = bad but 41 = OK? That's just arbitrary.

 

[amazingjoshy]

From Twomey’s latest article

TYLAR YOUNG​

A deal for Young was inching closer late last week, with hopes it will be one of the first completed to start the Trade Period's final 72 hours. Richmond has eyed West Coast's No.34 pick in recent negotiations, but there has been haggling over whether the Eagles could talk the Tigers down to the No.38 or 41 selections. West Coast has been hopeful of moving up the board, so wants to keep as many mid-level picks as possible.


It better be 41 at best lol.

I dont understand what bargaining power Richmond have. Def shouldn't be one of the 30s picks

There's such minimal difference between any of those picks that I wouldn't even attribute a grade to it - particularly in a weak draft. Of course, we'd rather pay less, but is there any real tangible difference between those picks? I wouldn't have thought so.

True.... but might make a difference in terms of matching a bid on Williams.

 

[kerrazy]

I am somewhat okay with our trade period thus far.

Unfortunately though, Twomeys reporting about the Young trade just further reiterates the fact that we have slightly lost each of the deals we have made this trade period.

-Starcevich for pick 23 was slight overs, we didnt need to cough up that quickly and that easily and could have held on a little longer with the free agency period closing on Friday.
-Sending a ff3 in the Ryan deal was slight overs and hugely unnecessary considering he was a contracted player. I get the ff3 is fairly worthless but it was not something we should have even considered.
-Losing Chesser for 41 was slight unders although I understand our acceptance with this pick.

Now we have yet another scenario where the only reported info from Twomey is

Richmond want Pick 34 which is massive overs for Young.
We want to give them 38 or 41, which is again slight overs.

Just for once could we make a trade that's in our favour? Even slightly? We seem to be always happy to help other clubs but where is our help? We won one game this season ffs.

 

[Elite Pete]

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Because I don’t rate any of the guys we would take at 2, CDT and Dyson both have huge risks. I would rather have 2 picks and potentially draft cumming + Aidan Schubert or gryl.

What if Richmond and Essendon also rank Cumming and Schubert high? Aren't you better off waiting until draft day to get a feel for who is taking who, and then make your decision accordingly?

Lot's of people don't rate CDT or Sharp. Some "experts" had Sharp at 15 a couple of months back. While CDT seems to be rated by the experts, lots of BF Eagles and Tigers fans aren't into him. I not convinced the clubs have him rated as high as the experts.

No club who holds the higher pick will make that trade until draft day. I don't get the pointing of talking about something that isn't going to happen before Thursday?

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

I dont understand what bargaining power Richmond have. Def shouldn't be one of the 30s picks

Matt Clarke.

 

[Keys]

There's such minimal difference between any of those picks that I wouldn't even attribute a grade to it - particularly in a weak draft. Of course, we'd rather pay less, but is there any real tangible difference between those picks? I wouldn't have thought so.

Like, pick 38 = bad but 41 = OK? That's just arbitrary.

Pick 34- 360 points
Pick 38- 277 points
Pick 41- 220 points

Overall difference of 140 points - roughly the value of pick 46 (134 points)

If it’s pick 34 we should be asking for something back like their 2027 R3 pick for example which would replace the FF3 we gave to St Kilda

Ultimately there’s not much difference between 34 and 41 and no real point stressing over it - but as others have mentioned it’d be nice to end up on the slightly better end of a deal for once

 

[Doashuey]

Ahhhh, the weekend to argue Clarke = good or bad, you beauty! Sounds awesome.
I’m going fishing

Do any good?