List Mgmt. Contracts/Trade Thread - 2025 Edition Vol 3

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List Changes - 2025

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In:

• Brandon Starcevich arrives at West Coast in a three team deal
• Tylar Young (Richmond) arrived at West Coast in exchange for Pick 38.
• Deven Robertson (Brisbane) has agreed to join West Coast and will be signed on to the rookie list after being delisted by Brisbane

Out:

• Oscar Allen joins Brisbane as a FA - West Coast receive Pick 2 as compensation
• Liam Ryan and a 2027 R3 pick has been traded to St Kilda for a 2026 R2 pick
• Campbell Chesser has been traded to Carlton for Pick 41
• Jayden Hunt announces retirement
• Jack Petruccelle, Callum Jamieson and Loch Rawlinson not offered new contracts
• Coen Livingstone joins the list of players not offered a new contract

Players Out of Contract - 2025 (0)

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• Jamie Cripps and Malakai Champion seem to have been offered new contracts despite there being no official announcement. Means that all players out of contract for 2025 have been given new contracts despite or removed from the playing list

2025 Draft Order

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Current Draft Picks:
Round 1: 1, 2, 13
Round 2: 34, 41
Round 3: 53, 58 (These picks are in excess of available list spots so will be forfeited if we don’t consolidate our 2025 picks up the order or trade some for future picks)

List Spots Available (39 of 48):
• Main list (33 of 38) - 5* (in: Starcevich, Young out: Allen, Ryan, Chesser, Hunt, Petruccelle, Jamieson)
• Cat A rookie list (5 of 8) - 3* (in: Robertson (pending), out: Rawlinson)
• Cat B rookie list (1 of 2) - 2 (out: Livingstone)

* Based on Dewar being upgraded after the maximum 3 years on the rookie list. Hutchinson may also have been upgraded but this isn’t confirmed - if it is we will have 4 main and 4 rookie list spots open

* Matthew Clarke has stated we have 5 main list spots

Matt Clarke wraps up the trade period - 6PR

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Just feels like something is in the works with no deal for Young yet.

If CDT is the guy we want then obviously just take him. Seems like not many people here are keen on him though.

We need pick 2 on draft day to maximise offers in case we can still get what we want, and something extra.

If the club thinks CDT is the man at 2, and a split can't be done to still get him, they have to take him. I'm taking Sharp, Robey, Cumming, before him. But if the club identifies him as the man, they have to act accordingly.

 

[stallon]

In this draft I’d trade a pick similar to Starcevich and McVee. Early 20s.

I think Rowbottom is confidently better than Graham or McVee, and hes more important to Sydneys set up.

Id be staggered if we(or anyone) got him for a single pick in the 20s tbh.

 

[txbyhull]

I think Rowbottom is confidently better than Graham or McVee, and hes more important to Sydneys set up.

Id be staggered if we(or anyone) got him for a single pick in the 20s tbh.

I'd back that. I think that Sydney would probably let him go for an EO1 or very early 2 for the sake of completing a Curnow deal if he didn't want to go to Carlton.

If they were extracting maximum value I think they'd do well to fetch Adelaide or Geelong first

 

[stallon]

I'd back that. I think that Sydney would probably let him go for an EO1 or very early 2 for the sake of completing a Curnow deal if he didn't want to go to Carlton.

If hes part of a Curnow deal then who knows, they could be desperate as you allude.

If they were extracting maximum value I think they'd do well to fetch Adelaide or Geelong first

Imo the Cats 1st is unders, Crows 1st is about right

 

[Godfather32]

Pick 2 for Pick 3 + Young.

Would that cause a meltdown on here?

If we trade pick 2 it sure as hell better be for more than a guy we should be getting with pick 41

 

[Bacchus]

Pick 2 for Pick 3 + Young.

Would that cause a meltdown on here?

Yes, puts too high a value on Young. Values him at around #20.

 

[stallon]

Im pretty content with the trade period so far, no major issues.

Yes slight unders for Ryan and Chesser but it is what it is, we got Starcevich for free.

Happy to not go for Aleer, if we get Young then we have enough KPDs. Id like to draft another developing KPD but thatll depend on list spots, and it isnt super urgent especially if Ginbey keeps improving as a 3rd tall.

No great rucks who are improvements to our current rucks were available to us, thats fine we arent getting one.

Midfield is improved by DevRob coming in, and development of young players. Im not overly concerned here that we didnt get a better mature age mid in.
We still have Yeo(maybe), Kelly, McCarthy, and Graham as mid 20s or older mids + DevRob now who are all in our best 23 when fit. Adding another would take opportunity away from kids. Id like Harley and Hewett to keep getting big midfield minutes obviously but keeping space for Hall/Gross/any other mids we draft is important.

Hopefully Baker can sit at HFF all next year, McCarthy in the middle, Starc+Yeo in D50, and Kelly can play some decent footy with Graham + DevRob alongside doing the more accountable work.

Keep pick 1, I wouldnt consider a trade for it unless it was massive, 5+6 for 1 isnt enough imo. Take Duursma he will be great.
Id be ok with CDT but hes risky.
Would prefer Sharp/Robey with pick 2, but we know Essendon is interested in that pick so who knows where our 2nd pick will land.

My ideal scenario would be something like trading 2+13 for 5+6+21, then trading up 21(with our later picks) to a mid teens pick if we want Marsh or something, keeping 21 if we are happy with Ainsworth/Curtin/Rodriguez.
Taking 4 picks(1+5+6+21) into the draft, trade whatever else we dont need into next year for whatever we can get.

If we need to id move Cripps/Barnett onto the rookie list(or delist/retire) for an extra list spot, no issues there.

In the end just fill rookie spots with players older than 18 to helps the WAFL squad and improve our depth. Dont want any etxra 18 year old rookie list players than our NGAs or what we already have. We have more than enough youth on the list as it is

 

[Obeanie1]

Its better then taking pick 13 for sure. Harley Reid needs midfield protection today not in 3 years time

Robertson, Graham, Yeo, Hall plus another mature mid as a DFA isn't enough support for Harley?

That's 5 inside mid role / support players. And we need to waste pick 13 on another?

Upgrade 13 to 8 to 10 and take best tall or Dovaston or Farrow.

We take Duursma, Sharp and Cumming we get both youth and then we land mature support using other means.

 

[Barrybran]

Pick 2 for Pick 3 + Young.

Would that cause a meltdown on here?

Yes, puts too high a value on Young. Values him at around #20.

Pick 37

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Robertson, Graham, Yeo, Hall plus another mature mid as a DFA isn't enough support for Harley?

That's 5 inside mid role / support players. And we need to waste pick 13 on another?

Upgrade 13 to 8 to 10 and take best tall or Dovaston or Farrow.

We take Duursma, Sharp and Cumming we get both youth and then we land mature support using other means.

Yeo is playing half back. Hall is too young still and has a long way to go , Robertson is a VFL player and Graham was there last year but wasn’t enough

Fairly easy equation

 

[Obeanie1]

It's definately time for Clarke to man up, roll out the heavy artillery and threaten Richmond with PSD over this Young bloke we want. We didn't want to use it, but only one day to go and Richmond are playing hardball so i think it is the best option.

One day to go?

Doesn't trade period end on Wed.

Like 3 days from now?

 

[TerryFilk]

If Duursma was so good why didn't he win the Larke Medal? Sharp did win it

If Duursma was so good why didn't he win the Kevin Sh Medal (U16)? Sharp did win it

So are we going be saying in 8 years time-
If Duursma was so good why didn't he win the Rising Star Award or Brownlow? Sharp did win it

Duursma was able to have a better draft year then Sharp but it is really Neck and neck.


Like seriously who wants to bet duursma has a better first season then Dyson Sharp???? Any takers?????

Also who wants to bet when all is said and done Duursma has more brownlow votes then Dyson Sharp??? Any takers???

Lol, Deven Robertson won the Larke Medal, a lot of guys who won the Larke Medal ended up being pretty average AFL footballers.

There’s a reason Sharp’s falling down the order, I still like him a lot but you can’t seriously watch him and not say you’re worried about the step up, the complete lack of explosiveness is a huge worry, there’s a very good chance he just ends up being a James Worpel type.

You guys have to be able to look towards the future and understand how some players project at the next level, Sharp’s profile is becoming less and less liked by coaches, unless they are a genuine point of difference.

Duursma has a lot more AFL star attributes and traits than Sharp does.

Don’t want this to be taken as a dig towards Sharp either because as I said I still do like him, I just think this notion that because he’s a contested inside player we should reach on him is a bit ridiculous.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

You guys have to be able to look towards the future and understand how some players project at the next level,

Clubs can't do this. Why do you think you can?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I realise that rucks take longer to develop than players in any other position. But i can't think of any past situation where a player who was drafted on to an AFL list and had 3 years of AFL level resources, development, specialist coaches etc etc and was still as uncompetitive at WAFL level as Barnett apparently is, and then they actually go on to suddenly improve and become an AFL level player.

If they want to persist with him then thats fine. They know more than me about him as an individual and the development curve for rucks. But i just think that at this point the odds of us getting anything out of Barnet must be pretty slim. I am not expecting him to win the Sandover at this point or be the best ruck in the league. But i am expecting him to be able to have some impact on WAFL games at a minimum.

 

[Proeagle]

Tylah Williams not in their top 50 but rookie me central have his draft range at 15-30

As long as Williams stretches out to 37 before a bid we’re sweet

Can you elaborate on this for me. I thought we were pretty safe with all our picks to cover any bids for our NGA's. Will we most likely lose Williams if he is bid on before 37?

Or is it more of a case where we can get Williams by using many later picks but it may cost us one or more of our other NGA's or F/S like Banfield or Evans for eg if we do payout for Williams?

Good chance in this draft that Williams is bid on before 37, I would've thought.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

If Clarke can pull off a trade for Young with one of the 50's picks than it will go a long way to improving his reputation.

 

[Wild Kelly]

The rucks in the grand final

Pick 47
Pick 65
Pick 37 rookie draft
Puck 54 rookie draft

If we can get one for something around that outlay, sure

Come in spinner!

 

[EdCurnowRules]

Pick 2 for Pick 3 + Young.

Would that cause a meltdown on here?

They’d have to throw Dusty in also

 

[Peptide Pig]

I think Aleer is a 3rd defender, similer to Bazzo.
He may have more upside but is he better than Ginbey? I say no.
I would rather spend assets on actual KPD options like Young and draft a KPD option to develop.
Brock is fine and will have more upside than Aleer as a CHB option and is actually KPD height imo.
GWS wanting a 2nd round pick for Aleer is his value but I would rather spend that pick on a B grade mid which is a higher need.

We have obviously asked just about everyone who is decent and haven't got any takers for midfield options.
We are resigned to what we have got and will draft for the foreseeable future.
If Rowbottom is an option he would be a B grade option and worth an early 2nd round pick, but I wouldn't think this is actually viable.
SYD are trying to get the Curnow trade done and will need to use a player and picks, plus get their academy picks.
Florent will be part of it, cant see Rowbottom or Hayward being part of any trade as they are integral to Sydney setup.

It would be an interesting mix of KPDs

Edwards 200cm 25 years
Brock 198cm 23
Young 196cm 27
Bazzo 195cm 22
Aleer 194cm 24
Ginbey 191cm 21

Hough 191cm 22
Starc 187cm 26

We’ve got Edwards to take the genuine big units, and realistically most teams don’t have two monster forwards so it’s debatable if you need two 195cm+ defenders, especially if you are sacrificing some athleticism and speed compared to a hybrid tall like Ginbey or Aleer. Having said that, Aleer is only 2cm shorter than Young and holds the running vertical record of 107cm (5cm higher than Nic Nat) so I’d say he can play tall. Also has played/trained alongside one of the best defensive groups in the league (Taylor/Buckley/Idun).

Ginbey and Aleer could form a dynamic duo and free up some flexibility depending on match ups for one of them to play more as an interceptor or provide some dash which is important to our game plan, especially if TMac is up the ground now we have Starc and Hough as our mid sized defenders.

Aleer is also from SA so may not be married to the idea of a VIC move.

I don’t really see it with Brock, and I’m not sure the club does either given they are hunting for a new KPD. But he’s still young so he has time and can develop in the WAFL.

Absolutely agree that a B-grade established mid should be the priority but I just don’t see one coming now. Rowbotttom I have as a rung down from Simpkin and starting to get into the areas where I wouldn’t bother. But for a second rounder I guess we would do it. His stats are very similar to Jack Graham prior to joining us and he came for free. I’m not sure two defensive mids like that in our side would help the attacking game plan so would want to be sure Rowbottom had another level to go to in terms of extracting and accumulating the footy above his 16 disposal average.

He’s also from VIC so I doubt he would choose us, plus he loses a couple of points for being related to BT.

 

[Monocle]

The rucks in the grand final

Pick 47
Pick 65
Pick 37 rookie draft
Puck 54 rookie draft

If we can get one for something around that outlay, sure

Zac harding is a player that I think some Club will take a punt on with a late pick or a rookie spot.

Not as tall only 199 cm but he reminds me, playing style wise a little bit of how Lloyd Meeks did in the TAC as it was then.

 

[Proeagle]

It would be an interesting mix of KPDs

Edwards 200cm 25 years
Brock 198cm 23
Young 196cm 27
Bazzo 195cm 22
Aleer 194cm 24
Ginbey 191cm 21

Hough 191cm 22
Starc 187cm 26

We’ve got Edwards to take the genuine big units, and realistically most teams don’t have two monster forwards so it’s debatable if you need two 195cm+ defenders, especially if you are sacrificing some athleticism and speed compared to a hybrid tall like Ginbey or Aleer. Having said that, Aleer is only 2cm shorter than Young and holds the running vertical record of 107cm (5cm higher than Nic Nat) so I’d say he can play tall. Also has played/trained alongside one of the best defensive groups in the league (Taylor/Buckley/Idun).

Ginbey and Aleer could form a dynamic duo and free up some flexibility depending on match ups for one of them to play more as an interceptor or provide some dash which is important to our game plan, especially if TMac is up the ground now we have Starc and Hough as our mid sized defenders.

Aleer is also from SA so may not be married to the idea of a VIC move.

I don’t really see it with Brock, and I’m not sure the club does either given they are hunting for a new KPD. But he’s still young so he has time and can develop in the WAFL.

Absolutely agree that a B-grade established mid should be the priority but I just don’t see one coming now. Rowbotttom I have as a rung down from Simpkin and starting to get into the areas where I wouldn’t bother. But for a second rounder I guess we would do it. His stats are very similar to Jack Graham prior to joining us and he came for free. I’m not sure two defensive mids like that in our side would help the attacking game plan so would want to be sure Rowbottom had another level to go to in terms of extracting and accumulating the footy above his 16 disposal average.

He’s also from VIC so I doubt he would choose us, plus he loses a couple of points for being related to BT.

I'm surprised Starc is only 187. Genuinely thought he was closer to 195. He looks big out on the field and not just the biceps.

And I am very bullish on Brock if he keeps getting game time. Very mobile for a 198cm and had some good games considering his inexperience. Personally I dont think we need Aleer other than making Aleer or Brock as a backup.
Havnt seen much from Bazzo to excite me yet though. But it's not an enviable position in our backline in the last few years and he's admittedly had a rough couple of years.

 

[dinnaz]

It’s not crap, it’s going to get a very good player. Obviously the talent is better at the pointy end but we are also trying to move up because we have limited list spots.

Rosa have said he wants to move up to 1 or 2, the cost of that will be that another pick needs to move down.

I'd honestly take pick #1 and then trade everything else into next year.
Even the pointy end is bereft of talent. Last years draft had guys going in the 30s who would be top 5 this year

 

[TerryFilk]

From Twomey’s latest article

TYLAR YOUNG​

A deal for Young was inching closer late last week, with hopes it will be one of the first completed to start the Trade Period's final 72 hours. Richmond has eyed West Coast's No.34 pick in recent negotiations, but there has been haggling over whether the Eagles could talk the Tigers down to the No.38 or 41 selections. West Coast has been hopeful of moving up the board, so wants to keep as many mid-level picks as possible.


It better be 41 at best lol.

 

[TerryFilk]

Clubs can't do this. Why do you think you can?

That’s exactly what clubs do when drafting? Clubs always look at potential upside and what attributes certain guys have, there’s plenty of guys who are among the best performers against their cohort in their draft year that don’t even get drafted or go late because of how limited they are.

 

[dinnaz]

Zac harding is a player that I think some Club will take a punt on with a late pick or a rookie spot.

Not as tall only 199 cm but he reminds me, playing style wise a little bit of how Lloyd Meeks did in the TAC as it was then.


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Best ruck in the draft, but 199cm being the selling factor. Plenty of good players like this just don't get picked up as they are seen as forwards first now.