Corona virus, Port and the AFL. Part 4.

[PAFC66]

Contrary to popular belief, Vic & NSW isn't the rest of the country. Qld, SA, Tas, & the NT have gone down the zero COVID road like WA, hence the slow uptake in vaccines (especially in Qld). Lockdowns absolutely slow down vaccine uptakes due to people being hesitant to leave the house and also questioning why they are in lockdown and need a vaccine at the same time. It isnt the sole reason why the roll out was so slow but it definitely contributed.

So lockdowns in NSW and Victoria saw vaccine uptake faster than anywhere else in the world. When both states wernt in lockdown vaccine uptake was considerably slower so I'm not sure how you can come to that conclusion. When people are told the only way we are exiting lockdown is to get vaccinated you'll generally get a response and we did.
You've always been allowed to leave the house to get vaccinated despite being in lockdown , not many here questioned why we are still in lockdown when there's clearly a target we have to reach whilst we have community transmission. If anything it got more people out of the house.

If the state wasn't locked down people would be going about their daily business such as working and finding less time to get vaccinated or don't see it as important sitting at a bar living normally, there's less drive which is exactly what we are seeing outside NSW and Vic.

QLD isn't talking about zero covid, theyre opening their borders in a couple of weeks to vaccinated people from NSW and VIC. Tasmania are waiting till they hit 90% .. WA likewise. We are still waiting on plans from SA and NT in regards to borders and when they'll accept covid.

 

[Doctor Feel]

The zero covid fantasy encourages vaccine hesitancy even more than lockdowns.

Perfect example of this is the differing vacc rates of NSW and VIC to SA/QLD. The less effected a state has been, the lower the vacc rate. Front of mind only when it impacts them directly. Zero covid is not a thing, as it's almost impossible to eliminate the risk, so you just mitigate it through vaccines and appropriate health care resourcing while the pandemic passes through before settling.

Just need more of the less effected states to get off their ass and we can return to something resembling normal.

 

[dirty2]

 

[Capital Power]

Contrary to popular belief, Vic & NSW isn't the rest of the country. Qld, SA, Tas, & the NT have gone down the zero COVID road like WA, hence the slow uptake in vaccines (especially in Qld). Lockdowns absolutely slow down vaccine uptakes due to people being hesitant to leave the house and also questioning why they are in lockdown and need a vaccine at the same time. It isnt the sole reason why the roll out was so slow but it definitely contributed.

The ACT also followed a zero Covid approach until Gladys decided she had other ideas. Had we been able to effectively control border crossing as WA (and to a lesser extent SA) has then we'd probably still have no cases.

It's all very well lauding NSW for giving those who won't die from this their lives back, but at what cost to the rest of the country has this come?

 

[Capital Power]

PS Shops re-open in the ACT tomorrow. Does anyone still go shopping? Why?

 

[PAFC66]

The ACT also followed a zero Covid approach until Gladys decided she had other ideas. Had we been able to effectively control border crossing as WA (and to a lesser extent SA) has then we'd probably still have no cases.

It's all very well lauding NSW for giving those who won't die from this their lives back, but at what cost to the rest of the country has this come?

600+ deaths and tens of thousands hospitised. Who knows the long term impact that will have. This all occuring in a state of lockdown but apparently lockdowns don't "work"

 

[sobrave]

Heyyyyyyyy Rona

Ooooooohhhhhh Rona

 

[Doctor Feel]

Heyyyyyyyy Rona

Ooooooohhhhhh Rona

Scotty Cummings in the goal square waving his arms up and down like its my carona

 

[Papa G]

600+ deaths and tens of thousands hospitised. Who knows the long term impact that will have. This all occuring in a state of lockdown but apparently lockdowns don't "work"

Absolutely * all.

 

[raptalia]

Contrary to popular belief, Vic & NSW isn't the rest of the country. Qld, SA, Tas, & the NT have gone down the zero COVID road like WA, hence the slow uptake in vaccines (especially in Qld). Lockdowns absolutely slow down vaccine uptakes due to people being hesitant to leave the house and also questioning why they are in lockdown and need a vaccine at the same time. It isnt the sole reason why the roll out was so slow but it definitely contributed.

Tasmania has zero cases but doesn't have a slow vaccine uptake in fact it's numbers are almost identical to those of Victoria. Vaccine uptake appears to be proportional to the land area of each State or Territory. Maybe coincidence but the highest up take is in the ACT (81.6% of 12+ fully vaccinated) and the lowest is in West Australia (54.7%). As you post there are a number of other factors involved and lockdowns are definitely one of them.

The land area factor also holds good for international vaccination coverage as the world leaders in vaccination are places like Gibraltar, Cuba, UAE, Pitcairn which all have 200 doses per 100 of population. Cuba managed to get out 24,647,897 doses in just 164 days. Obviously these small nations have smaller populations and the roll out takes a lot less time.I am not necessarily drawing any conclusions from any of this but it is interesting.

Covid-19 vaccine tracker: View vaccinations by country

Track each country and territory’s progress as the global vaccination campaign gets underway

edition.cnn.com

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Gladys should've locked down harder and faster and the virus would've been eliminated! Gladys exported the virus to the rest of Australia and in fact the world because she didn't lock down quick enough!

Next minute Danistan locks down 4.6 milliseconds after discovering a case, still end up with MORE cases than NSW at every equivalent stage of the curve and after months in lockdown have thousands of cases a day and a dozen deaths a day.

Lockdowns work when the population is compliant with them. See Tassie, SA, WA, NT etc.

They don't work when the population isn't compliant with them instead goes about with massive amounts of gatherings in protests, and Grand Final parties. Victoria's situation isn't evidence against lockdowns, its evidence of what happens when you don't have since the problems in Victoria all trace to situations where government advice was ignored.

NSW early on showed why limited lockdowns don't work. Because people are dicks. If you lockdown suburb A, people who live in suburb A will find reasons to claim they live elsewhere and thus don't need to comply with the lockdown. And then spread the virus around some more.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

The focus in the UK is now on booster shots which is something the Doherty modelling has not touched upon. If the efficacy of some of these vaccines starts to fade after 8 months as is suggested then Morrison should be looking at starting a vaccination booster program early in 2022. it is not simply a case of getting to the 80% mark, opening up then forgetting about the virus.

All of our earliest vaccinated people should be getting ready to need all their booster shots, right at the time that the Australian Government will be sending our vaccine supplies off to nations like Poland, who sent us excess stock in exchange for future vaccine stock.

Because thats the quality of planning from the Morrison Government. They missed the boat initially, and then playing catch-up sold off our future stock "because everyone should be double vaxxed by them" in exchange for short term benefit. Also right around the time we're going to be opening up.

And then there's all those people who have been double vaxxed with AstraZeneca with the shortened gap between shots one and two. They're sitting there with a signficantly less effective vaccination protection than someone that waited the full 12 weeks. And will probably fall off faster as well. More short term gain, for a bigger negative in the longer term, once again on advice from the Morrison government.

 

[PAFC66]

If anyone is wondering why the Vic Libs are extinct and the opposition are a laughingstock here and will lose the next election in a landslide to labor this is another reason..

Coalition’s Zoom chat turns nasty as gay conversion stoush explodes

A Victorian opposition online meeting descended into chaos – and a whole lot of swearing – over a shadow minister’s promise on laws banning the controversial therapy.

www.theage.com.au

 

[PAFC66]

Absolutely fu** all.

So lockdowns and public health restrictions work. Who would of thought?

 

[PAFC66]

Lockdowns work when the population is compliant with them. See Tassie, SA, WA, NT etc.

They don't work when the population isn't compliant with them instead goes about with massive amounts of gatherings in protests, and Grand Final parties. Victoria's situation isn't evidence against lockdowns, its evidence of what happens when you don't have since the problems in Victoria all trace to situations where government advice was ignored.

NSW early on showed why limited lockdowns don't work. Because people are dicks. If you lockdown suburb A, people who live in suburb A will find reasons to claim they live elsewhere and thus don't need to comply with the lockdown. And then spread the virus around some more.

Lockdowns work when the population is compliant with them. See Tassie, SA, WA, NT etc.

They don't work when the population isn't compliant with them instead goes about with massive amounts of gatherings in protests, and Grand Final parties. Victoria's situation isn't evidence against lockdowns, its evidence of what happens when you don't have since the problems in Victoria all trace to situations where government advice was ignored.

NSW early on showed why limited lockdowns don't work. Because people are dicks. If you lockdown suburb A, people who live in suburb A will find reasons to claim they live elsewhere and thus don't need to comply with the lockdown. And then spread the virus around some more.

Doesn't work when the media continue to undermine health advice

 

[raptalia]

All of our earliest vaccinated people should be getting ready to need all their booster shots, right at the time that the Australian Government will be sending our vaccine supplies off to nations like Poland, who sent us excess stock in exchange for future vaccine stock.

Because thats the quality of planning from the Morrison Government. They missed the boat initially, and then playing catch-up sold off our future stock "because everyone should be double vaxxed by them" in exchange for short term benefit. Also right around the time we're going to be opening up.

And then there's all those people who have been double vaxxed with AstraZeneca with the shortened gap between shots one and two. They're sitting there with a signficantly less effective vaccination protection than someone that waited the full 12 weeks. And will probably fall off faster as well. More short term gain, for a bigger negative in the longer term, once again on advice from the Morrison government.

Astra Zeneca has a 3 month gap it is Pfitzer and Moderna that have the shortened gap. The evidence thus far suggests that the efficacy of Astra Zeneca lasts longer then the mRNA shots. In fact trials suggest that taking and mRNA booster after full the Astra Zeneca vaccination increases immunity. I intend to walk in and ask for an mRNA shot in February/March 2022. I figure there is no harm in asking.

 

[raptalia]

MSN

www.msn.com

First it was Woolies now the AFL...

MSN

www.msn.com

The list is growing.

 

[backtozero]

Doesn't work when the media continue to undermine health advice

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Which front page was it that made Vic lose control more than NSW?

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[TazD]

Would be fantastic if Ken was a anti-vaxxer.

 

[PAFC66]

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If only.

 

[PAFC66]

Which front page was it that made Vic lose control more than NSW?

That's entirely my point mate. Lol

NSW media didn't undermine health advice and incite protests in the 109 days they were locked down despite government fails that put them in that position.

Why are you do god damn thick?

 

[Papa G]

Halth

 

[Papa G]

Care

 

[backtozero]

That's entirely my point mate. Lol

NSW media didn't undermine health advice and incite protests in the 109 days they were locked down despite government fails that put them in that position.

Why are you do god damn thick?

Just because you're so consumed by everything printed in Murdoch owned publications doesn't mean the average person is.

Joe Hildebrand wrote articles condemning lockdowns in Sydney and that triggered you too. Anything to deflect away from the failure that is your hero.