Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus #2: Lockdowns

[Bender20]

Why the number of 'cycles' is important in testing for COVID-19

Polymerase chain reaction tests are used globally to identify positive COVID-19 cases, but misinformation on them abounds online. We asked an expert to clear it up for us.

www.abc.net.au

This below is extracted from the above ABC's site: The headline references PCR cycle misinformation - suggesting it is going to debunk claims that there is question about the test counts - but then goes on to say the exact opposite putting into question huge doubt over the veracity of cases and deaths.
Considering this in light of the vague fact checking and debunking and it's difficult to just ignore the smoke here.

Owen, Chief, et all would suggest my ideology is getting in the way. How precisely I would love to know.

Here the ABC quotes Dr Bruce categorically stating PCR tests over 30 are dubious. But we know most countries have used 40+ cycles. If - "most positive results were detected in the range of 20 to 30 per cycles" why not detail what that number is exactly - or as a percentage. If 90% of cases were detected in the 20-30 cycle range that would be great and hardly impact the overall numbers. But after 12 months they still refuse to say.

If we take Dr Bruce at his world - Most could be just 51% effectively halving the cases and death counts.
But it gets worse - Dr Bruce might be saying most tests (say 51%) are detecting in the 20-30 cycles and 49% are detecting 40 plus cycles. So half of the first tests results and all the second test results are over 40 cycles.

The actually number of cases within the 20-30 cycle range would be 26% and Dr Bruce would still not be technically lying - But our case and death counts would need to be reduced by 75%.

The lack of transparency makes it logical to assume the worst (75% are nonsense) and not the best (10% are nonsense). Why should we assume the best case when we are not given clarity and everyone is so desperate to maintain the hysteria. The lack of excess mortality rates and the fall in so many other causes of death make it compelling to believe 75% of the cases and deaths attributed to COVID are not in fact COVID related at all.

Instead, the most probable conclusion is that merely 25% of deaths attributed to covid are in fact COVID related at all - and as the overwhelming number of those deaths have a range of co-morbidities it is hard to say definitively that there is anything we should be worried about at all - except a slightly more virulent variety of what is typically known as influenza

Have I get something wrong?


The Ct value of a positive test is the number of cycles it took before the signal was able to be identified, Dr Druce explained, with higher values equating to a weaker positive due to less virus being present in the sample.

"A strong positive sample has a lower Ct value — so something that comes up at cycle 15, for instance, is very strong, extraordinarily strong. Something that comes up at Ct 30 is quite low."

A person returning a positive PCR test with a Ct value above 30 would be "very unlikely to be infectious", Dr Druce said, before adding that most positive results were detected in the range of 20 to 30 PCR cycles.

The number of amplification cycles (less than 35; preferably 25-30 cycles); In case of
virus detection, >35 cycles only detects signals which do not correlate with infectious
virus as determined by isolation in cell culture [reviewed in 2]; if someone is tested
by PCR as positive when a threshold of 35 cycles or higher is used (as is the case in
most laboratories in Europe & the US), the probability that said person is actually
infected is less than 3%, the probability that said result is a false positive is 97%

(PDF) External peer review of the RTPCR test to detect SARS-CoV-2 reveals 10 major scientific flaws at the molecular and methodological level: consequences for false positive results

PDF | This extensive review report has been officially submitted to Eurosurveillance editorial board on 27th November 2020 via their submission-portal,... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Isn't she taking the piss out of the vaccine celebration posts?

I don't think she is, People do believe having certain reactions after receiving the jab means the vaccine is working & doing the job the it's suppose to do.

 

[zill]

You’ve read my posts and seen that I don’t slavishly follow mainstream thinking - another example is I don’t believe in continual and extended lockdowns. Swedens approach has been more sensible.

As for your breath taking arrogance, I neither need, or want your approval or acceptance, and couldn’t give a toss what you think.

Still haven't answered the question. You claim to be debunking dangerous misinformation, what do you have to say about the govt/msm/tech companies spreading dangerous misinformation?

You won't give an answer though.

Do you believe that there are evil virus mutations out there, each more transmissible and deadly than the last? If you don't hold that view, you are a conspiracy theorist in the eyes of the establishment, and should be silenced lest you spread dangerous disinformation.

 

[Bender20]

I don't think she is, People do believe having certain reactions after receiving the jab means the vaccine is working & doing the job the it's suppose to do.

Going numb in the legs, are these people freaked crazy.
Notice how these people have been brainwashed into thinking it's a good thing.

 

[yebiga]

The number of amplification cycles (less than 35; preferably 25-30 cycles); In case of
virus detection, >35 cycles only detects signals which do not correlate with infectious
virus as determined by isolation in cell culture [reviewed in 2]; if someone is tested
by PCR as positive when a threshold of 35 cycles or higher is used (as is the case in
most laboratories in Europe & the US), the probability that said person is actually
infected is less than 3%, the probability that said result is a false positive is 97%

(PDF) External peer review of the RTPCR test to detect SARS-CoV-2 reveals 10 major scientific flaws at the molecular and methodological level: consequences for false positive results

PDF | This extensive review report has been officially submitted to Eurosurveillance editorial board on 27th November 2020 via their submission-portal,... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

www.researchgate.net

THanks Bender
If this argument is right and it appears to be widely supported even in our mainstream media - the emperor really has no clothes but it does not matter - you can scream it out - they will pretend nothing has changed.

It's not even Orwellian - it's Kafka's Trial with a crazed vaudeville audience as the production.
Nothing makes any sense but no body cares a hoot.

Some of this has an eerie parallel in rejecting normality that we see in the Dionysion Cult of Ancient Greece:

Insanity and possession were major motifs of Dionysian ritual that presented conflicting themes of sexual abandon, on one hand, and a sort of unnaturally imposed religious abstinence on the other: many of the myths surrounding maenads involve them fleeing the unwanted attentions of satyrs, the half-men, half-goat creatures in Dionysus’ retinue. In some sense, the maenads were also seen as hunters, a predominantly masculine activity. ...They blend attributes of male and female for a creation that is often depicted in ancient art as monstrous or uncanny. In the act of hunting or war, they are bare-legged with breasts exposed but they overtly rejected sexual and social relationships with men, maenads also represent a rejection of conventional feminine roles. Kraemer writes, “Women possessed by Dionysus are compelled to abandon, at least temporarily, their domestic obligations of housework and child-rearing in favor of the worship of their god.”

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

What about mentioning the benefits of exercise, sunshine & good diet.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

If it's safe to mix & administer, Remove indemnity for all of the pharma companies & hold them accountable when shit hits the fan.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Vax passports are pretty much inevitable it seems, Crazy to think this is all being done without the public consent or being allowed to have our say.

 

[burge13]

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Vax passports are pretty much inevitable it seems, Crazy to think this is all being done without the public consent or being allowed to have our say.

The sheep want it. Ask hawkie and the other morons, theyve been brainwashed into thinking this is necessary. Anyone else who remembers 2019, where this wasnt remotely needed and life was good is a "nutjob"...

 

[yebiga]

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Vax passports are pretty much inevitable it seems, Crazy to think this is all being done without the public consent or being allowed to have our say.

Can't see this being implemented because unless you enforce it why would any venue comply? And to enforce it you would need to a big budget and lot of paid idiots to run around checking crap. This is a psychopaths wet dream. Imagine you are at a BBQ and some idiot wants to check your vax passport. I could see it implemented for international flights but even then there would be a healthy black market in fake passports. There are unintended consequences here that no one can possibly predict. And because a significant number of people will always consider it idiotic it is unenforceable.
This is a kin to enforcing prohibition of underage drinking but there is no physical marker to narrow down the field of transgressors.

So it would require an implant - Like I said, it's all a psychopaths dream.

 

[ioppolo]

What sort of things? We will no doubt copy

The general forcefulness of their restrictions. And how many restrictions some places still have. But I'm sure Australia will catch up

 

[No SPIN]

Still haven't answered the question. You claim to be debunking dangerous misinformation, what do you have to say about the govt/msm/tech companies spreading dangerous misinformation?

You won't give an answer though.

Do you believe that there are evil virus mutations out there, each more transmissible and deadly than the last? If you don't hold that view, you are a conspiracy theorist in the eyes of the establishment, and should be silenced lest you spread dangerous disinformation.

Unlike your view, that for example,
all Fact Checking can’t be trusted.
My view is that nothing is ever that black and white.

The key is in understanding nuance.
An anti Big Pharma poster suggested that Big Pharma were trying to eliminate the competition from natural healthcare by buying Vitamin Companies.
That’s a cynical view. I pointed out if that was the case they’d have closed these business after buying them. The real motivation was simply growth, and to capture a share of the increasing trend to natural health in the community.

You look at the world from an antiestablishment view - that’s your prerogative, and make value judgments accordingly.

So when you say the Govt etc are spreading dangerous misinformation you are taking a cynical stance like the Anti Big Pharma poster above.
You would conclude it’s an issue of control by elites -,I would say the ONE “they” doesn’t exist because Elites have varying agendas making a unifying purpose impossible.

Unlike yourself, I don’t have a predetermined view - that’s why my approach is unconventional.

As to the Virus - the natural evolution of a Virus is to survive - just like any other organism. Killing a hosts is therefore a bad idea. Mutating towards increased infectivity and mild or asymptomatic disease is the goal.
Why - because you can’t spread a virus if your dead or layed up in bed.
So increased infectivity is correct, but increased lethality is not

 

[Bender20]

Unlike your view, that for example,
all Fact Checking can’t be trusted.
My view it’s that nothing is ever that black and white.

The key is in understanding nuance.
An anti Big Pharma poster suggested that Big Pharma were trying to eliminate the competition from natural healthcare by buying Vitamin Companies.
That’s a cynical view - I pointed out if that was the case they’d have closed these business after buying them. The real motivation was simply growth, and to capture a share of the increasing trend to natural health in the community.

You look at the world from an antiestablishment view - that’s your prerogative, and make value judgments accordingly.

I don’t have a predetermined view - that’s why my approach is less predictable.

Your view is I'm cynical.

Thanks for the laughs, your hilarious.

I would be seriously worried if anyone was worried about what you think.

You actually stand for nothing.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Can't see this being implemented because unless you enforce it why would any venue comply? And to enforce it you would need to a big budget and lot of paid idiots to run around checking crap. This is a psychopaths wet dream. Imagine you are at a BBQ and some idiot wants to check your vax passport. I could see it implemented for international flights but even then there would be a healthy black market in fake passports. There are unintended consequences here that no one can possibly predict. And because a significant number of people will always consider it idiotic it is unenforceable.
This is a kin to enforcing prohibition of underage drinking but there is no physical marker to narrow down the field of transgressors.

So it would require an implant - Like I said, it's all a psychopaths dream.

We don't exactly know what they're planning.

It's all going to come down to the amount of pushback that we see from the dumbed down masses, But never say never with things like this.

It's a frightening thing that's being proposed, But this is the reality we're possibly facing sooner than most people think.

Implants are not out of question as well, This is the ultimate goal the elite want to achieve, It's about conditioning the sheep in the meantime step by step.

 

[zill]

Unlike your view, that for example,
all Fact Checking can’t be trusted.
My view it’s that nothing is ever that black and white.

The key is in understanding nuance.
An anti Big Pharma poster suggested that Big Pharma were trying to eliminate the competition from natural healthcare by buying Vitamin Companies.
That’s a cynical view - I pointed out if that was the case they’d have closed these business after buying them. The real motivation was simply growth, and to capture a share of the increasing trend to natural health in the community.

You look at the world from an antiestablishment view - that’s your prerogative, and make value judgments accordingly.

I don’t have a predetermined view - that’s why my approach is less predictable.

LOL more dissembling. You won't answer the question because you will look stupid whatever answer you give.

 

[MrKK]

I don't think she is, People do believe having certain reactions after receiving the jab means the vaccine is working & doing the job the it's suppose to do.

But it was a pap smear, not a vaccination.

 

[No SPIN]

LOL more dissembling. You won't answer the question because you will look stupid whatever answer you give.

i added to the post - you’re to quick

 

[No SPIN]

Your view is I'm cynical.

Thanks for the laughs, your hilarious.

I would be seriously worried if anyone was worried about what you think.

You actually stand for nothing.

If you were the poster who used the example of Vitamin Companies being bought by Big Pharma, then yes.
Your logic didn’t make any sense, and reinforced your cynical view of Big Pharma.

I stand for what makes sense after evaluating information - we will never agree or disagree on everything,
And you can’t put me in a box - which I know is disappointing to you.

 

[zill]

We don't exactly know what they're planning.

It's all going to come down to the amount of pushback that we see from the dumbed down masses, But never say never with things like this.

It's a frightening thing that's being proposed, But this is the reality we're possibly facing sooner than most people think.

Implants are not out of question as well, This is the ultimate goal the elite want to achieve, It's about conditioning the

The aus govt has been trying to implement a national id system for nearly 40 years now. They got part way there a few years ago when they did the myhealthrecord thing. You had to opt-out of that system, the default was opt-in, so if you didn't know about it, the govt gave access to your private health information not just to hospitals, gp's and pharmacies but to also to "allied health professionals". Very vague term and no further information on what that means is available on govt websites.

It is a criminal offense to access someone's medical records unless you are providing that person with healthcare, only now apparently we are supposed to hand over that information to anyone who asks for it.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

But it was a pap smear, not a vaccination.

I didn't notice that lol, But you're correct & I just had a browse through her social media page.

 

[zill]

Virus is to survive - just like any other organism. Killing a hosts is therefore a bad idea. Mutating towards increased infectivity and mild or asymptomatic disease is the goal.
Why - because you can’t spread a virus if your dead or layed up in bed.
So increased infectivity is correct, but increased lethality is not

All we heard about was "deadly uk/sa variant". The msm weren't reporting that if it is more infectious, it will be less severe. Deadly new variant is all we got from the media. I consider this sort of misinformation from the media much worse than some random on youtube claiming that the vaccine is going to kill everybody, so why aren't there any fact check articles about this sort of rhetoric? It's no wonder people are sceptical of the whole covid thing, the "hyper infectious variant spreading at hyper speed", which is "worse than anything seen in Australia in the last 12 months", didn't manage to live up to the hype. The virus didn't even spread to the security guards housemates, but no one in victoria was allowed to leave their house for a week because of it.

You claim to have a balanced view, so tell us what you think about the fearmongering from the govt/media, unless you're afraid of ridicule from hawk dork and the other ant-heads who pop into this thread.

 

[No SPIN]

All we heard about was "deadly uk/sa variant". The msm weren't reporting that if it is more infectious, it will be less severe. Deadly new variant is all we got from the media. I consider this sort of misinformation from the media much worse than some random on youtube claiming that the vaccine is going to kill everybody, so why aren't there any fact check articles about this sort of rhetoric? It's no wonder people are sceptical of the whole covid thing, the "hyper infectious variant spreading at hyper speed", which is "worse than anything seen in Australia in the last 12 months", didn't manage to live up to the hype. The virus didn't even spread to the security guards housemates, but no one in victoria was allowed to leave their house for a week because of it.

You claim to have a balanced view, so tell us what you think about the fearmongering from the govt/media, unless you're afraid of ridicule from hawk dork and the other ant-heads who pop into this thread.

I wrote a long post on a variety of issues including this last week. You’ll need to go back and find it.

 

[BlueE]

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If it's safe to mix & administer, Remove indemnity for all of the pharma companies & hold them accountable when sh*t hits the fan.

What could go wrong mixing mRNA vaccines with simian DNA, especially with strong recommendations not to after the initial trials, and only having 175 in each trial?

Note that novavax which the clowns are now looking to buy is made with DNA inserted into a baculorvirus inserted onto moths and harvest the spike proteins from the moth cells and assemble them into nanoparticles to be injected.

So not only won't it stop you getting SARS CoV 2 or passing it on, it's OK if it's only 50% effective in reducing symptoms!

So when is the MSM going to interview Professor Clancy or Dr Kory who've expertly analysed the world's peer reviewed research on IVM and Zn? Someone surely has to call the hoax just like they did for swine flu?

 

[BlueE]

Michael Yeadon Interview - Former Pfizer VP Speaks Out On Dangers Of mRNA Vaccines & COVID Illusion

Pfizer's former Vice President & Chief Scientist for Allergy & Respiratory, Michael Yeadon, reviewing his expert opinion on COVID-19.

www.thelastamericanvagabond.com

 

[Lethal Knights]

Do you think this is because of lockdowns and masks in Australia ?
Becuase the rest of the world who went half arsed is pretty stuffed

lockdowns are a winner esp for a virus with 99.9% survival rate