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OK. I'm really sorry I brought any of this up.

Let's leave it at that but perhaps keep in mind what I've said and we might revisit it in a few months.

As we wait 5-8 years for a vaccine. We’ll keep an eye on that too.
 
You have still not actually given any sources whatsoever.

For example, not this study post-exposure (so, very early-stage) hydroxychloroquine, which found no significant difference in whether subjects were went on to get the coronavirus:

Or this study (a pre-coronavirus study) which founds that that combination of drugs led to a substantially increased risk of heart attacks:
I need to end it but that was about prevention after exposure, which obviously it cannot . It's not a preventative treatment.

As far as WHO studies go I think there's more than enough evidence out there that the organisation is questionable in the information it feeds out.
 
COVID can be treated by a rum and coke a day.

I have done a heap of research.

I won't tell you what I used for my research.

Believe me.
 





Summary of the various post-study reviews:
Btw.

There is a political war going on in the US about whether Trump was right or wrong.

There are literally tens of thousands of articles debunking him as you'd expect . And everyone who hates him, which is many people, swallow it.

I've got no interest in that side of it.
 

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Btw.

There is a political war going on in the US about whether Trump was right or wrong.

There are literally tens of thousands of articles debunking him as you'd expect . And everyone who hates him, which is many people, swallow it.

I've got no interest in that side of it.

Curious then that you would bring it up.
 
I need to end it but that was about prevention after exposure, which obviously it cannot . It's not a preventative treatment.

As far as WHO studies go I think there's more than enough evidence out there that the organisation is questionable in the information it feeds out.
... you've got to the point of ending it without citing a single source, and yet you're still wondering why people aren't finding this persuasive.
 
COVID can be treated by a rum and coke a day.

I have done a heap of research.

I won't tell you what I used for my research.

Believe me.
I'm not asking anyone to believe me.

I've explained myself.

I'm happy for people to disbelieve me.

I've told you what I've used for my research . Re read.

I'm not an idiot. In fact apart from here I'm regarded as fairly smart.

But I'll wear the snips as a badge of honour.

And restrain myself from being likewise inclined.
 
FWIW martinson , I enjoy reading your posts on the issue, adults should be able to make decisions about their own health and I support your right to do that.
At last.

Thanks buddy.

That is all . I've made a personal decision about my health . I believe I've explained why. There are some private things I'm unable to elaborate on.

I'm not trying to persuade anybody .
 
Plus I don't think the personal vilification is necessary

And it seems I don't have one person who is remotely prepared to think I might be on to something.

Which is interesting.
I am a scientist who specialises in drug development who got their PhD over 25 years ago and have been working in industry and universities since then (several people on this site have met me so this is not BS). In particular, I have been working in the anti-infectives area for the last 15 years.

There is no convincing evidence that HQC improves covid-19 outcomes. A big issue is that it is difficult to do trials as nearly all people recover without any medical intervention. This makes running an appropriately powered placebo trial on a relatively small number of people impossible.

We will have vaccines available in about April next year but only time will tell how effective they are. IMO antibody therapies have a chance of being effective drugs, while we will probably use a combination of antiviral drugs in the future (similar to HIV); however, this will be awhile away.
 
I am a scientist who specialises in drug development who got their PhD over 25 years ago and have been working in industry and universities since then (several people on this site have met me so this is not BS). In particular, I have been working in the anti-infectives area for the last 15 years.

There is no convincing evidence that HQC improves covid-19 outcomes. A big issue is that it is difficult to do trials as nearly all people recover without any medical intervention. This makes running an appropriately powered placebo trial on a relatively small number of people impossible.

We will have vaccines available in about April next year but only time will tell how effective they are. IMO antibody therapies have a chance of being effective drugs, while we will probably use a combination of antiviral drugs in the future (similar to HIV); however, this will be awhile away.
All correct.

Except that I'm sceptical about a vaccine being available by April. Or at least one that will be widely available.

Btw I'm an investor in several AUS bios and some are already into trials/partnerships that will provide the solution . Of course it's done wonders for their share price . And of course they're just moon shoots with very little prospect of success.
 

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As we wait 5-8 years for a vaccine. We’ll keep an eye on that too.
Fact check.

Re read.

I said it takes 5-8 years minimum under normal circumstances.

And that Governments were throwing everything at this. There are now hundreds of 'trials' and ideas vs usually one or two trials proceeding in the myriad of other viruses.

So if anything can be found they'll find quickly against traditional benchmarks. Timing unknown

I'll restrain myself from the laughing emoji.
 
Fact check.

Re read.

I said it takes 5-8 years minimum under normal circumstances.

And that Governments were throwing everything at this. There are now hundreds of 'trials' and ideas vs usually one or two trials proceeding in the myriad of other viruses.

So if anything can be found they'll find quickly against traditional benchmarks. Timing unknown

I'll restrain myself from the laughing emoji.
I'm certainly no expert on Covid19 but haven't we been trying for a coronavirus vaccine for around 20 years ie since SARS?
 
Let's leave it at this . Why can't anyone just take on board what I've said ...
Because you are not a doctor or medical professional.

Nor have you offered up any peer reviewed articles to support your “advice”.

You’ve repeatedly advised not to believe what governments are telling us. However no one here is asking for government proof.

They are asking you for medical and scientific proof.
 
I'm certainly no expert on Covid19 but haven't we been trying for a coronavirus vaccine for around 20 years ie since SARS?
This has been addressed, with supporting links, numerous times in this very thread. Basically it was a combination of deprioritisation (both funding and scheduling of trials), vaccine technology improving, and some teams being able to take advantage of the pre-work done by SARS teams.

Initially there was speculation that it was something inherent to coronaviruses, but some then took that speculation and posited it as if it was a fact instead of an unanswered question adding uncertainty to vaccine development.
 
I'm certainly no expert on Covid19 but haven't we been trying for a coronavirus vaccine for around 20 years ie since SARS?

I thought they gave up on a SARS vaccine because although it had a high mortality/fatality rate, it was contained to the point where it didn't warrant expending huge resources to find that vaccine. I believe it's still out there somewhere.

On the other hand Covid19 has a huge contagion rate and is scarier because it is so much harder to contain.
 
If you take hydroxochloriquine and zithromax as soon as you get diagnosed you will recover quickly.

Already a couple of studies validated.

The problem is they wait until people are really sick and in ICU which is often too late.

So I’m on hydroxychloroquine for autoimmune cytokine storm prevention - the response to covid that is killing people.

The drug is a disease modifying drug and you need to be on it for about six months before it starts working effectively. Can’t see how it could possibly work in a few days if it’s targeting the same system.

I am however hoping that the trials to see if 3-6month use by health care workers prevents infection or escalation after infection shows it’s useful. Cause I need all the help I can get.

And I had to have a heart scan before I could be prescribed it, and I have to have heart scans yearly to monitor my heart for possible damage from the drug.

And yearly eye scans cause at doses over 400mg/day it can cause blindness. The trials for treating covid ranged from 800-1200mg/day
 

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If you want some interesting info look at a youtube site Lockdown TV where you will hear "we don't know', "no evidence" etc. The two most interesting were shows with two mathematicians/ epidemiologists talking about suppression strategies and an interview with the bloke in charge of Sweden who continually says "its too early to say" all the time.

I have a great friend who has a PHd in virology who oversaw the flu vac here in Australia for many years. He tells me the problem is that URI vaccines will probably only be partially effective (like the Flu vac which I know is a different class of virus). A vaccine may provoke an antibody response that may be completely useless in warding off infection or reducing morbidity/mortality and lastly the response / immunity, if any, may be transient.

I had a Covid test last week. I didn't think I had any real chance of having the virus but as a dentist I did not feel I could take any risk at all. Many of my patients are elderly and you are in a very confined space, which we think is the perfect breeding ground for transmission.

I was negative which on consideration of only my own welfare was probably not the best result. I had a minor illness and a infection with the virus may have given me some immunity. We don't know yet if this is the usual outcome.

Now being a provocative prick I would like you to imagine Covid Parties, like the measles and mumps parties you read about. Being a healthy 60 year old I would like to get the virus this decade and so may accept an invite to such an event. We could have the Covid forward pocket at the GABBA!!!!! I would expect my private health insurance to pay for the seats, beers and pies during the match!!!

My hope is that the virus will mutate (look up genetic drift and shift) quickly into something harmless. Regression to the mean means this will happen, but when, is the question. The spanish flu went through once, then mutated into the real nasty, and it was this mutation that killed so many. The first pass was 'merely' a nasty flu.
 
If you take hydroxochloriquine and zithromax as soon as you get diagnosed you will recover quickly.

Already a couple of studies validated.

The problem is they wait until people are really sick and in ICU which is often too late.
I’ll say at the outset that I personally am not convinced either way on the effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine. I’d lean towards it not working, but I’ve shifted my position multiple times.

I followed the debate about it for a few months, but the entire thing became so partisan and toxic I gave up in disgust.

Wave after wave after wave of junk studies are splashed all over the media breathlessly proclaiming to be definitive truth and bodies like the WHO have been forced into embarrassing backflips more than once because of their kneejerk reactions to them. All this is despite many of the studies having spectacular and really obvious flaws.

Like I say I stopped following the debate after it became a complete joke, but I gather that results from some actual authoritative studies are due in September...But take everything with a grain of salt, both sides are capable of producing petabytes of vile parochial bullshit per second on the subject.

Hydroxychloroquine may or may not work. Ideological warriors on both sides of politics may have wrecked any prospect of anyone ever finding out. But there are plenty of other treatments around (early but spectacular results for Interferon beta-1a) and deathrates around the world are down as we have gotten better at treating the disease. And of course, a number of teams around the world are doing brilliant work with Vaccines.

Like I say I lean towards it not working, but as loads of people here have asked for them, here are some studies and reports that say it does:

 
Not making a determination on the research but just thought I'd mention as someone who works in the publication collection field for a university, that the papers I've quoted above haven't yet gone through a peer review acceptance process through a journal so there's no confirmation of the validity of the research at this point. Two of them also seem to have been withdrawn ("Treatment Response to Hydroxychloroquine, Lopinavir/Ritonavir, and Antibiotics for Moderate COVID 19: A First Report on the Pharmacological Outcomes from South Korea" and "Hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin: a potential interest in reducing in-hospital morbidity due to COVID-19 pneumonia (HI-ZY-COVID)?") for whatever reason.

Pre-print sites (medrxiv and preprints.org are main examples here) are great for providing open access outlets for new research, but always take it with a grain of salt until the work has been published by a journal that has a rigorous peer review process (look out for quality publishers such as Elsevier or Springer or Oxford University Press etc etc)

By the way, this is the last place I thought I'd be using my work knowledge...
 
Not making a determination on the research but just thought I'd mention as someone who works in the publication collection field for a university, that the papers I've quoted above haven't yet gone through a peer review acceptance process through a journal so there's no confirmation of the validity of the research at this point. Two of them also seem to have been withdrawn ("Treatment Response to Hydroxychloroquine, Lopinavir/Ritonavir, and Antibiotics for Moderate COVID 19: A First Report on the Pharmacological Outcomes from South Korea" and "Hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin: a potential interest in reducing in-hospital morbidity due to COVID-19 pneumonia (HI-ZY-COVID)?") for whatever reason.

Pre-print sites (medrxiv and preprints.org are main examples here) are great for providing open access outlets for new research, but always take it with a grain of salt until the work has been published by a journal that has a rigorous peer review process (look out for quality publishers such as Elsevier or Springer or Oxford University Press etc etc)

By the way, this is the last place I thought I'd be using my work knowledge...
I'm absolutely in no way advocating for the quality or otherwise of any of them. Like I say, the massive majority of all studies I have seen have been total junk in one way or another.

 
I'm absolutely in no way advocating for the quality or otherwise of any of them. Like I say, the massive majority of all studies I have seen have been total junk in one way or another.

Oh yeah, I understand. Just thought it might be a good opportunity to explain the publishing process in case anyone wanted more context to research they read online.
 
This has been addressed, with supporting links, numerous times in this very thread. Basically it was a combination of deprioritisation (both funding and scheduling of trials), vaccine technology improving, and some teams being able to take advantage of the pre-work done by SARS teams.

Initially there was speculation that it was something inherent to coronaviruses, but some then took that speculation and posited it as if it was a fact instead of an unanswered question adding uncertainty to vaccine development.
It doesn't surprise me that I do not recall this. :oldman: :straining: Excuse the seniors moment.
 

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