Conspiracy Theory Coronavirus: Origins

[GuzzLG]

Why would all global national governments willingly wreck their own economies? What do they have to gain here?

And the Imperial college predicted half a million deaths in the UK if they did nothing at all, and 2.2 million in the USA if they also did nothing at all.

Nine months into the pandemic and we're at 15 percent of those figures with nearly 60k deaths in the UK (and rising by around 600 per day at present), and over 250k deaths in the USA (and rising by around 2000 per day).

And that's despite both countries implementing lockdowns, stay at home orders, and compulsory mask orders and so forth to varying degrees.

If both nations did nothing, and the rates of infection seen in late March continued on the same trajectory, those numbers would already be much higher.

Imperial college

You’re beyond help.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

How many blokes do you know that would go into one of them and get the old prostate checked?

It's not lack of testing availability that stops blokes from doing it. You can literally get tested today if you want to. It's blokes being blokes that stops it.

Its not the best example I could have given. How about heart checkups? If you could drive by on the way home for basic checkups like that, would more people not do it?

 

[Malifice]

Imperial college

You’re beyond help.

Huh?

I'm not the one leaning into the early modelling of COVID, or of the Imperial Colleges modelling specifically. Im not sure who died and made the Imperial college the go-to people for accurate modelling data.

Im just saying the numbers presented dont look all that out of place at all.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

The WHO conducted one the year before as well:

https://www.who.int/ihr/eoc-exercise/en/

The reason is the increasing risk (yearly) of a major pandemic. HIV, SARS, Ebola and Swine Flu etc are recent outbreaks leading up to COVID.

For what its worth, there will likely be another viral pandemic in our lifetimes, likely far more deadly than COVID, SARS, Ebola or HIV. They're only going to get worse.

Also, what is this 'UN agenda' you're talking about?

Just how much power do you think the UN has exactly?

Yes I know they had one the year before. But there is plenty of information available to prove this is all been a manufactured crisis & has been planned for a long time.

The UN agenda is the NWO & Agenda 21,Which is being rolled out right now & the pandemic is just being used an guise to justify what's coming soon.

The WHO is just as corrupt at the UN or any other massive organisations.

 

[Malifice]

Its not the best example I could have given. How about heart checkups? If you could drive by on the way home for basic checkups like that, would more people not do it?

Yeah OK fair enough, and I do support preventative health measures such as this. I'd like to see tax cuts given to people who can demonstrate a yearly trip to the GP.

But it's not like we had 'heart checkup clinics' operating and we cant do that anymore due to the strains of COVID testing, or that COVID testing is diverting funds away from other health areas.

In fact it could be argued that when people are visiting their GP for COVID testing, the GP is finding maybe other underlying conditions (the COVID test just got them in the front door).

Also there is a slight difference here. You cant give heart disease to other people, unlike COVID.

 

[GuzzLG]

Huh?

I'm not the one leaning into the early modelling of COVID, or of the Imperial Colleges modelling specifically. Im not sure who died and made the Imperial college the go-to people for accurate modelling data.

Im just saying the numbers presented dont look all that out of place at all.

You really do need to get out of your echo chamber.

The imperial college models have been proven as complete garbage. They couldn’t even produce the same results twice using the same inputs.

This is really really old news now.

Neil Ferguson's Imperial model could be the most devastating software mistake of all time

‘Professor Lockdown’ Modeler Resigns in Disgrace | National Review

Why did anyone ever listen to this guy?

www.nationalreview.com

“So the real scandal is: Why did anyone ever listen to this guy?” « Statistical Modeling, Causal Inference, and Social Science

statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu

Elon Musk called one of the world's top lockdown advocates an 'utter tool' who does 'absurdly fake science' after he was caught breaking his own rules to meet his lover

Ferguson, a top adviser to the UK government whose work prompted the country's lockdown, resigned Tuesday and apologized.

www.businessinsider.com

Brutal Takedown of Neil Ferguson’s Model

From Lockdown ScepticsStay sane. Protect the economy. Save livelihoods. An experienced senior software engineer, Sue Denim, has written a devastating review of Dr. Neil Ferguson’s Imperial co…

wattsupwiththat.com

Experts say modelling that predicted 500,000 Covid-19 deaths is a mess

Professor Neil Ferguson's Imperial College London computer coding that predicted half a million people could die if Britain didn't go into lockdown has been described as 'totally unreliable,' by experts.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Malifice]

Yes I know they had one the year before. But these is plenty of information available to prove this is all been a manufactured crisis & has been planned for a long time.

The UN agenda is the NWO & Agenda 21,Which is being rolled out right now & the pandemic is just being used an guise to justify what's coming soon.

The WHO is just as corrupt at the UN or any other massive organisations.

So your theory is the United Nations is behind the pandemic?

In that the UN designed and released the Virus, and all world governments (and all privately owned media) are 'in on it' and are actively working toward the UN's secret agenda to enslave us all?

Is that your theory?

 

[BlueE]

No, that's not a fact. Both State premiers have stated that those babies did not remain in Adelaide because of any COVID travel restriction (although SA is currently conducting a review of that to see if some Public servant may have made a mistake).

That's also not true, and it's not how Science works.

So why didn't the babies travel to Victoria for treatment that would have saved their lives? Some serious lack of taking responsibility here from governments who are going to be sued. Blaming it on an anonymous bureaucrat for following government CV 19 rules?

Tell that to tens of thousands of doctors, specialists, epidemiologists because that is exactly what they are saying and what the evidence shows.

By the way the Imperial College predictions and the adjustments that closed down most of the world were still many times worse that happened in Sweden deaths who not only didn't lock down they didn't protect their vulnerable elderly citizens in aged homes. Although Sweden now regret that, knowing more about CV 19, the prediction for Sweden were still a hundred times more than what actually occurred.

Expert Pathologist Claims COVID-19 is “The Greatest Hoax Ever Perpetrated On An Unsuspecting Public” – Anthony Colpo

anthonycolpo.com

 

[Malifice]

You really do need to get out of your echo chamber.

OK, so lets agree that this guy was wrong? His predictions do seem pretty outrageous.

 

[Malifice]

So why didn't the babies travel to Victoria for treatment that would have saved their lives?

That's whey they're doing a review. But lawfully the children were allowed to travel under the relevant laws at the time, and there is no evidence (as from both Liberal and Labor Premiers of Victoria and SA) that COVID restrictions were at fault.

You cant sit there and claim it to be a 'fact' that those children died from COVID restrictions being in place, as there were no restrictions in place applicable to those kids, and preliminary reviews have shown that COVID travel restrictions were not the cause.

By the way the Imperial College predictions and the adjustments that closed down most of the world were still 10 times worse that happened in Sweden deaths who not only didn't lock down they didn't protect their vulnerable elderly citizens in aged homes. Although they now regret that, knowing more about CV 19, the prediction for Sweden were still a hundred times more than what actually occured.

Yeah conceded above. Looks like they seriously ****ed the numbers up.

But that's just one statistical model, out of thousands though. There were always a few that were bound to be wrong.

 

[GuzzLG]

OK, so lets agree that this guy was wrong? His predictions do seem pretty outrageous.

It’s not even whether he’s right or wrong.

The whole idea that we can delegate public policy and justify taking away people’s liberties based on flipping computer models is the whole scam.

At the end of the day, whether 1000 Victorians or even 1,000,000 Victorians would die from a virus, in neither case should an unelected shitkicker bureaucrat like Brett Sutton be able to write decrees that make it unlawful for someone to visit their mother and give her a hug.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Yeah OK fair enough, and I do support preventative health measures such as this. I'd like to see tax cuts given to people who can demonstrate a yearly trip to the GP.

But it's not like we had 'heart checkup clinics' operating and we cant do that anymore due to the strains of COVID testing, or that COVID testing is diverting funds away from other health areas.

In fact it could be argued that when people are visiting their GP for COVID testing, the GP is finding maybe other underlying conditions (the COVID test just got them in the front door).

Also there is a slight difference here. You cant give heart disease to other people, unlike COVID.

They created funding to improve the testing capability of this. Why not create your funding to improve the testing capability of things that actually exist in the community?

You cant argue this when the emergency health workers are stating the opposite. Surely we can trust their words on this?

 

[Malifice]

It’s not even whether he’s right or wrong.

The whole idea that we can delegate public policy and justify taking away people’s liberties based on f*n computer models is the whole scam

Would you prefer other modelling without the use of computers?

At the end of the day, whether 1000 Victorians or even 1,000,000 Victorians would die from a virus, in neither case should an unelected shitkicker bureaucrat like Brett Sutton be able to write decrees that make it unlawful for someone to visit their mother and give her a hug.

But.. that's how Governments work. He only has that power because Parliament delegated it to his position. Its the same in every Government department.

The Minister for Transport isn't the one signing off on your driving licence, any more than the Minister for Police is signing every prosecution notice brought by VICPOL, or the Minister for Education is signing every VCE certificate. Those roles are delegated to executives within the Department and the like.

Technically we dont vote in Ministers either (who make decisions under Acts of Parliament). They're appointed by the Legislature. It's just that the Legislature appoint themselves into the role (wearing a different hat).

Cant the Minister for Health (and Premier) override Sutton?

I do agree with you that decisions of this magnitude should properly be personally approved by the Minister by the way. Id just be shocked if the Premier and Minister for Health cant veto the decision made by a member of the department, even a senior member such as Sutton.

 

[MrKK]

Why would all global national governments willingly wreck their own economies? What do they have to gain here?

And the Imperial college predicted half a million deaths in the UK if they did nothing at all, and 2.2 million in the USA if they also did nothing at all.

Nine months into the pandemic and we're at 15 percent of those figures with nearly 60k deaths in the UK (and rising by around 600 per day at present), and over 250k deaths in the USA (and rising by around 2000 per day).

And that's despite both countries implementing lockdowns, stay at home orders, and compulsory mask orders and so forth to varying degrees.

If both nations did nothing, and the rates of infection seen in late March continued on the same trajectory, those numbers would already be much higher.

That's a circular argument.

Model says deaths without lockdowns would be x.
Deaths with lockdown were x.
Model says deaths without lockdowns would be x.

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

So your theory is the United Nations is behind the pandemic?

In that the UN designed and released the Virus, and all world governments (and all privately owned media) are 'in on it' and are actively working toward the UN's secret agenda to enslave us all?

Is that your theory?

Yes I do believe all politicians & the msm are all playing their role in the scamdemic. The privately owned media is also owned by the elite & also heavily influenced by big pharma companies, The people who own these msm networks have also heavily invested in the vaccine market.

I don't believe the pandemic is anything like the media or governments are making it out to be. It's just about controlling as many people as they possibly can, Nothing to do with a virus or any governments caring about our wellbeing. it's the complete opposite actually, So much damage has been intentionally done to millions of people livelihoods by our so called leaders & health officials.

 

[Malifice]

They created funding to improve the testing capability of this. Why not create your funding to improve the testing capability of things that actually exist in the community?

Like I said, I agree that we should be focussing more on preventative health measures.

I'm pretty sure if heart disease was contagious, you'd see testing stations everywhere.

It's like when cancer is contagious. HPV causes cervical cancer, and we don't blink an eye at vaccinating our girls in Primary school against that virus (free of charge), and have free mobile STI testing facilities everywhere. Smoking causes Lung cancer and Heart disease, and we have draconian laws that stop people from smoking indoors (plus crazy taxation of tobacco to pay for the health impacts, and free Quit lines, smoking cessation via Medicare etc).

 

[Malifice]

Yes I do believe all politicians & the msm are all playing their role in the scamdemic. The privately owned media is also owned by the elite & also heavily influenced by big pharma companies, The people who own these msm networks have also heavily invested in the vaccine market.

Dude, Tony Abbott cant break a marble table in Canberra while dancing on it, and our SF soldiers cant murder people in Afhghanistan without us finding out about it.

How on earth is a global conspiracy, directed by the UN and involving the complicit knowledge and participation by all world governments and private media and pharmacological companies being kept so secret?

And who is behind all this Machiavellian global conspiracy involving all world governments?

George Soros, the Rothschilds and 'international banking cabals'?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Like I said, I agree that we should be focussing more on preventative health measures.

I'm pretty sure if heart disease was contagious, you'd see testing stations everywhere.

It's like when cancer is contagious. HPV causes cervical cancer, and we don't blink an eye at vaccinating our girls in Primary school against that virus (free of charge), and have free mobile STI testing facilities everywhere. Smoking causes Lung cancer and Heart disease, and we have draconian laws that stop people from smoking indoors (plus crazy taxation of tobacco to pay for the health impacts, and free Quit lines, smoking cessation via Medicare etc).

Draconian compared to this? Please

If smoking laws were to become as draconian as this, you would ban it and impose jail terms on those who tried to sell them

 

[Joey JoJo Shabad]

Dude, Tony Abbott cant break a marble table in Canberra while dancing on it, and our SF soldiers cant murder people in Afhghanistan without us finding out about it.

How on earth is a global conspiracy, directed by the UN and involving the complicit knowledge and participation by all world governments and private media and pharmacological companies being kept so secret?

And who is behind all this Machiavellian global conspiracy involving all world governments?

George Soros, the Rothschilds and 'international banking cabals'?

Well Paul Keating signed on for the Agenda 21 agreement back in 1992 on behalf of Australia. You can even find info on the UN website about Agenda 21.

In 1992, Paul Keating signed Agenda 21 on behalf of Australia. 178 Nations around the world signed Agenda 21. What is Agenda 21 you may ask? In short, it’s about global land use, global education, and global population control and reduction.

So what I've been talking about isn't a conspiracy at all.
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/outcomedocuments/agenda21

 

[Malifice]

If smoking laws were to become as draconian as this, you would ban it and impose jail terms on those who tried to sell them

The only reason we haven't gotten that far with smoking is they largely only kills the smoker.

COVID is a little different in that you can easily pass it on to other vulnerable people (even if you yourself are not vulnerable) and kill them.

We live in a liberal society. This obliges the Government to take reasonable steps to protect its citizens from causing harm to others, in a proportionate manner to that harm. If you want to harm yourself, go for it.

If under 60 year olds smoking was causing 200 deaths in over 60 year olds per day (where we would be at with no COVID restrictions) then we would see total bans on under 60 year olds smoking.

 

[Malifice]

Well Paul Keating signed on for the Agenda 21 agreement back in 1992 on behalf of Australia.

I know what it is, its an aspirational goal set by the UN with respect to sustainable global development. A non-binding action plan, similar to the Kyoto protocols and emission reduction.

Do you honestly think the UN have that much power dude? No Government listens to them anymore.

Like... do you honestly think that Scott Morrison (and Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Xi, Putin, Bolisanro, Macron, Merkel etc etc) plus Murdoch, Kerry Packer and other Media CEO are regularly the phone to the UN, and are all actively putting into place some Machiavellian global agenda on their behalf?

 

[Malifice]

So what I've been talking about isn't a conspiracy at all.

Also, please confirm for me who is behind this global conspiracy.

Wealthy Jewish families right?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The only reason we haven't gotten that far with smoking is they largely only kills the smoker.

COVID is a little different in that you can easily pass it on to other vulnerable people (even if you yourself are not vulnerable) and kill them.

We live in a liberal society. This obliges the Government to take reasonable steps to protect its citizens from causing harm to others, in a proportionate manner to that harm. If you want to harm yourself, go for it.

If under 60 year olds smoking was causing 200 deaths in over 60 year olds per day (where we would be at with no COVID restrictions) then we would see total bans on under 60 year olds smoking.

Smoking is a social contagion for sure. You reckon a 4 year old wakes up and is like "One day I wanna be a pack a day smoker". No, its given to you by someone else, Whether it be by being around smokers (its a proven fact that if you in a household of smokers, you get the addictiveness of it and are more susceptible to it) or peer pressure for example its something you get from others.

The real argument is "You can avoid smoking". Fact is, you can avoid getting sick too and thats something the health authorities are admitting. Socially distance, wash your hands etc. If you dont want to get sick, you dont have too. I had a immune disease when I was a kid. I had the shingles 30+ times at one stage over a few years but you know what, it was my life choice and it just the way it was. You know what though. Thats how we treat smoking is it not? Id say we treat smoking that way because its actually the right way to be treating it. People need to be responsible for their own decisions.

People want to differentiate the two for one core reason. A smoking company gives you excess money, a coffee shop in Adealdie whose business is impacted by Covid, not so much and in reality isnt this what this is all about? Making the rich ricker and the poorer poorer? Fact of the matter is no 1 event has escalated this issue in our lifetimes more then Covid. Why do we ignore it and not see it for what it is?

 

[Malifice]

Fact is, you can avoid getting sick too and thats something the health authorities are admitting. Socially distance, wash your hands etc.

And how is that working for the USA?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

And how is that working for the USA?

Its their own choice in the end of the day.

By that same token, why not bring up the opiod crisis and US and ask how the pharmaceutical industry pumping out the vaccine is working for USA too?

I tend to feel we can bring up this roundabout "how is process A working" for hundreds of different medical situations so im not too sure what benefit exists for focussing on 1 over the other.