News Coronavirus Thread

[Roogal]

I'm tipping North to play the Bulldogs in the Grand Final ... the COVID-19 virus restrictions shouldn't affect either team's attendances throughout the season, it should be situation normal for us as we usually play in front of two men and a dog.

 

[Del191229]

Very interesting. He’s spot on with the permissions and quarantine laws being federal areas.

The way I understood it was that it was up to the state authorities to implement some of the controls under federal legislative backing. I probably need to review what they actually mean by controls and in what specific circumstances they are actually kick in. Either way, it’s a political screw up. The way I read it was that the federals gave permission and then expected NSW Health and port officials to halt disembarkment to go through containment procedures. The state government didn’t blame the federals for the screwup either, which suggests it was the state’s responsibility.

Biosecurity (Consequential Amendments and Transitional Provisions) Act 2015

Also, there's suggestions the cruise ship hadn't actually left Australia's immigration zone as it were.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I get it, both of my old folks are recovering from cancer,

They definitely require isolation from viral exposure.

......and I still worry about my little nephew.

Why?

 

[Del191229]

So where are we at?

Is this going to get worse in Australia or not now these measures of the past 10 days have been put in place or has the proverbial horse bolted?

Won't know until this time next week.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

They definitely require isolation from viral exposure.




Why?

Anti-vaxxer parents, maybe I’m overthinking it.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Also, there's suggestions the cruise ship hadn't actually left Australia's immigration zone as it were.

I’ve heard that to, so it raises the question of why there was an exemption. Maybe food and fuel was an issue. We do need an inquiry as what happened is inexcusable for mine.

 

[Roogal]

Though on a more serious note, what is it with people being either blatantly naive or plain stupid!

Yesterday in the local Woolies while I was waiting on the green cross clearly marked on the floor to be called forward, a man came up and lined up right beside me. I gave him a stern look and moved forward, and he immediately closed back behind me. I stared at him and told him in no uncertain terms to "Get with the program and respect social distances". But again on the Seven News last night there were young people in Melbourne sitting close in cafes and alfresco, ignoring the new Social Distancing recommendations. They said to the reporter, "Oh we're okay we are young". These dip-sticks don't seem to understand that they can carry the virus with no symptoms and pass it on to people who actually are vulnerable. Then of course going to beach in Sydney makes you somehow immune from either contracting or passing on the virus.

Seriously! Some people deserve to be taken out of the human race ... let Darwin's Law sort em out!

 

[Snake_Baker]

Anti-vaxxer parents, maybe I’m overthinking it.

In this instance, most likely yes.

Covid19 is recognized by the adaptive immune system, and the higher adaptive immune response in a young person would see the response to infection arrive quickly.

In fact, when a vaccine does arrive, it should be administered in preferential order according to age 65+ & comorbidity factors, then non age related comorbidity, and finally upon a sliding scale of age from 65 to 3 years of age.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Though on a more serious note, what is it with people being either blatantly naive or plain stupid!

Yesterday in the local Woolies while I was waiting on the green cross clearly marked on the floor to be called forward, a man came up and lined up right beside me. I gave him a stern look and moved forward, and he immediately closed back behind me. I stared at him and told him in no uncertain terms to "Get with the program and respect social distances". But again on the news last night there were young people in Melbourne sitting close in cafes and alfresco. They said the journalist, "Oh we're okay we are young". These dip-sticks don't seem to understand that they can carry the virus with no symptoms and pass it on to people who actually are vulnerable. Then of course going to beach in Sydney makes you somehow immune from either contracting or passing on the virus.

Seriously! Some people deserve to be taken out of the human race ... let Darwin's Law sort em out!

Yes, I have experienced this also.

A politely administered response such as "could you please stop standing on my ****ing shoe laces", seemed to work well for me.

Most people are in fact stupid. You're going to need to come to terms with this sooner or later.

 

[Del191229]

Doesn't sound like a massive community-wide lockdown coming today.

 

[Gasometer]

Doesn't sound like a massive community-wide lockdown coming today.

I think the trend of comparing the Southern Hemisphere Autumn with the Northern Hemisphere Spring has us in a tizz and Covid19 is like apples and oranges atm

Dare I say it, but winter is coming

 

[Ether]

It's important not to blame China. Anything that isn't positive = racism

A study published in March indicated that if Chinese authorities had acted three weeks earlier than they did, the number of coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95% and its geographic spread limited.

This timeline, compiled from information reported by the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the South China Morning Post and other sources, shows that China's cover-up and the delay in serious measures to contain the virus lasted about three weeks.

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.

Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.

Dec. 30:

• Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so and told not to spread information about it.
• Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang also shares information on WeChat about the new SARS-like virus. He is called in for questioning shortly afterward.
• Wuhan health commission notifies hospitals of a “pneumonia of unclear cause” and orders them to report any related information.

Dec. 31:

• Wuhan health officials confirm 27 cases of illness and close a market they think is related to the virus' spread.
• China tells the World Health Organization’s China office about the cases of an unknown illness.

Jan. 1: Wuhan Public Security Bureau brings in for questioning eight doctors who had posted information about the illness on WeChat.

• An official at the Hubei Provincial Health Commission orders labs, which had already determined that the novel virus was similar to SARS, to stop testing samples and to destroy existing samples.

Jan. 2: Chinese researchers map the new coronavirus' complete genetic information. This information is not made public until Jan. 9.

Jan. 7: Xi Jinping becomes involved in the response.

Jan. 9: China announces it has mapped the coronavirus genome.

Jan. 11–17: Important prescheduled CCP meeting held in Wuhan. During that time, the Wuhan Health Commission insists there are no new cases.

Jan. 13: First coronavirus case reported in Thailand, the first known case outside China.

Jan. 14: WHO announces Chinese authorities have seen "no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus."

Jan. 15: The patient who becomes the first confirmed U.S. case leaves Wuhan and arrives in the U.S., carrying the coronavirus.

Jan. 18:

• The Wuhan Health Commission announces four new cases.
• Annual Wuhan Lunar New Year banquet. Tens of thousands of people gathered for a potluck.

Jan. 19: Beijing sends epidemiologists to Wuhan.

Jan. 20:

• The first case announced in South Korea.
• Zhong Nanshan, a top Chinese doctor who is helping to coordinate the coronavirus response, announces the virus can be passed between people.

Jan. 21:

• The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirms the first coronavirus case in the United States.
• CCP flagship newspaper People’s Daily mentions the coronavirus epidemic and Xi's actions to fight it for the first time.
• China's top political commission in charge of law and order warns that “anyone who deliberately delays and hides the reporting of [virus] cases out of his or her own self-interest will be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity."

Jan. 23: Wuhan and three other cities are put on lockdown. Right around this time, approximately 5 million people leave the city without being screened for the illness.

Jan. 24–30: China celebrates the Lunar New Year holiday. Hundreds of millions of people are in transit around the country as they visit relatives.

Jan. 24: China extends the lockdown to cover 36 million people and starts to rapidly build a new hospital in Wuhan. From this point, very strict measures continue to be implemented around the country for the rest of the epidemic.

Effect of non-pharmaceutical interventions for containing the COVID-19 outbreak in China

Background The COVID-19 outbreak containment strategies in China based on non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) appear to be effective. Quantitative research is still needed however to assess the efficacy of different candidate NPIs and their timings to guide ongoing and future responses to...

www.medrxiv.org

Thanks for posting but your outtake that China should have acted the weeks earlier is not what the article is postulating. It just predicts changes in the spread of China had enacted their social isolation responses 1, 2 and 3 weeks earlier and 1, 2 and 3 weeks later.

Look at the timeline. First patient feels ill - Dec 10. China reports to WHO - Dec 31. Are you suggesting they should up the WHO whenever one of their billion population gets a respiratory illness?

 

[giantroo]

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

793? Jesus ****ing Christ

 

[Del191229]

Raf Epstein on Insiders this morning is reporting some very interesting stuff.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Doesn't sound like a massive community-wide lockdown coming today.

They may start with partial lockdowns.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Raf Epstein on Insiders this morning is reporting some very interesting stuff.

What he say?

 

[Del191229]

793? Jesus ******* Christ

Nah mate, all media hysteria designed to distract from the failing climate change hoax/bullshit War of Germs just like the run up to the war on Iraq.

 

[Del191229]

They may start with partial lockdowns.

Oh they totally will.

But imposing a sudden mass lockdown on cities like Sydney and Melbourne won;t happen.

As I say, we don't have the cultural memory of that here, and the virus isn't something like the Batalclan Attacks.

If the virus shot up the Harry Potter play while at the same time it bombed restaurants across the city, killed 200 people, yep, Melbourne would accept a full indefinite lockdown.

 

[7577969923]

It gets back to my previous point about most Australians never having experienced a genuine crisis.

GFC and Australia slipped through that with no more than a few bruises. We have never had famines, purges, Cultural Revolutions, reeducation camps, holocausts. That stuff takes generations to recede from the consciousness.

Nah mate, all media hysteria designed to distract from the failing climate change hoax/bullshit War of Germs just like the run up to the war on Iraq.

Those people were old, had pre-existing conditions and were going to die anyway.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The resident political attention whores appear to be throwing a hissy fit.

There's just not quite enough political traction in this subject for them to resort to the typical insertion and manipulation in order to promote their personal agendas. They are relatively impotent.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Those people were old, had pre-existing conditions and were going to die anyway.

We're all going to die...............anyway.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The resident political attention whores appear to be throwing a hissy fit.

There's just not quite enough political traction in this subject for them to resort to the typical insertion and manipulation in order to promote their personal agendas. They are relatively impotent.

Snake, please give it a rest. Please.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Snake, please give it a rest. Please.

LOL, how about we give the Trump etc. political opportunism type bullshit a rest and focus on the virus itself?

Y'know, what the actual thread is about?

 

[Del191229]

GFC and Australia slipped through that with no more than a few bruises. We have never had famines, purges, Cultural Revolutions, reeducation camps, holocausts. That stuff takes generations to recede from the consciousness.

Those people were old, had pre-existing conditions and were going to die anyway.

From 9 May 1942 ... when the Battle of the Coral Sea broke off ... Australia hasn't been in that kind of serious danger (obviously people didn't know that then, May 1942 was still a brutal and terrifying time).

One of my best friends is from Enniskillen in the north of Ireland. He's Catholic but not political or born into a Republican family.

He's told me about his experience as a kid when the IRA bombed the Remembrance Day ceremony - a shocking atrocity with no justification - being Catholics they'd let the Prods have their day and gone out. They were in the car driving back into town when they heard the bomb go off - his Dad knew exactly what happened and said words to the effect of "the ****ing bastards" - the old fella, a lovely man who I've met and is a gentle schoolteacher, never ever swore, so my mate knew this was bad.

They drove home and just grabbed the clothes they could for into the car (five people) and fanged for the border because they were scared they be burned in their homes by the Loyalist retribution.

No Australian born person has an experience to compare with that.