News Coronavirus Thread

[Gasometer]

I'm thinking it won't be just NRL. Free to air TV is a slowly sinking ship and pay-TV is not too far behind them. Sport needs to figure out what the future distribution model looks like.

Poxtel has been bleeding for months

Check the Media & E Board on Poxtel

Despite their altruism in giving everyone free channels atm they know that everyone that can is trying to cancel...except it’s a 65 minute wait

 

[Orange Peanut]

Poxtel has been bleeding for months

Check the Media & E Board on Poxtel

Despite their altruism in giving everyone free channels atm they know that everyone that can is trying to cancel...except it’s a 65 minute wait

I went from cursing the fact I'd agreed to a contract to relieved that I didn't cancel after they opened up all the channels.

Darrel Sheets and Chumley keeping me going right now...

 

[Snake_Baker]

So by that logic, wouldn't you want to open as many windows as you can if you are infected? dilute down the contaminated air with fresh ones so you don't get overloaded by the virus you produced yourself?

Yes, to some extent, but I was referring to the initial infection. This is when the race begins.

 

[Snake_Baker]

........and now a word from the Head of the Ugandan Police:

Spoiler

 

[ferball]

Yes, to some extent, but I was referring to the initial infection. This is when the race begins.

So the initial dose and whatever else you're exposed to before your immune system notices and starts working,?

 

[Snake_Baker]

So the initial dose and whatever else you're exposed to before your immune system notices and starts working,?

Yes. Just my take. No hard research to back it up.

 

[7577969923]

Yes. Just my take. No hard research to back it up.

Does a high viral load or infectious dose make covid-19 worse?

An illustration of coronavirus particles Does being exposed to more coronavirus particles mean you will develop a more severe illness? Rumours circulating on social media suggest that hospital workers or their household members exposed to a higher “viral load” become sicker than the general...

www.newscientist.com

 

[Snake_Baker]

Well, there you go. Good pickup.

The patterning which supports the premise is starting to bob up around the place.

Otherwise fit people in their 40's who are working in ICU and dying, etc.

Wear those masks people, and sterilize.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Better again

 

[Snake_Baker]

........and if you wanted to know why the NRL have mentioned a return to matches............

 

[ferball]

Well, there you go. Good pickup.

The patterning which supports the premise is starting to bob up around the place.

Otherwise fit people in their 40 who are working in ICU and dying, etc.

Wear those masks people, and sterilize.

I thought I'd noticed that pattern too.

It seems to be the case.

If you're in an enclosed environment with a lot of infected people then its not gonna be one sauce either. You could be exposed to multiple doses in a very short time.

You'd also be having ongoing exposures. Does you immune system respond proportionally or overwhelmingly? I guess that's a moot point when it takes a week and a half to really get to good aB production.

The loss of doctors, even young ones at high rates, suggests ongoing overwhelming dosages of infectious material is happening as well. It would be physically and mentally draining and your immune system working its are off would also deplete reserves of nutrients.

Especially vitamin D. I bet they get no sunlight and not enough supplementals either. And that's just one example. It'd be a draining job.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Interesting CP antibody research just in. It looks a goer.

 

[ferball]

Bit of a pay out by nine to match their pay outs.

 

[Horace]

Interesting CP antibody research just in. It looks a goer.

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At the risk of making a fool (or more) of myself, is this research suggesting that transfusion of CP from a recovering/ed covid-19 patient to a severely ill, maybe not far off death, patient, might be a potential cure?

If so, would it not be worthwhile to go to real trials where the prospects of the severely ill patient look grim?

If that is correct and I was the severely ill patient, I'd be more than happy to have that treatment, on a "(next to) nothing to lose, but maybe everything to gain" basis.

 

[Snake_Baker]

At the risk of making a fool (or more) of myself, is this research suggesting that transfusion of CP from a recovering/ed covid-19 patient to a severely ill, maybe not far off death, patient, might be a potential cure?

Yes mate.

If so, would it not be worthwhile to go to real trials where the prospects of the severely ill patient look grim?

It appears that this is exactly what they did.

This looks to me to be a "phase I" type trial. I suspect they will ramp it up next to "phase II" (more test subjects & dosage protocols)

If that is correct and I was the severely ill patient, I'd be more than happy to have that treatment, on a "(next to) nothing to lose, but maybe everything to gain" basis.

Makes sense to me Horrie, but do the right thing and you should never have to bother with the option.

 

[ferball]

Interesting CP antibody research just in. It looks a goer.

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Its interesting.

All patients had other treatments as well. Specifically covid 19 anti vitals.

I dunno if they were helping tho. I'm still reading it but it looks promising
If I was going on a ventilator and someone offered it to me as an experimental treatment I wouldn't hesitate to say yes.

 

[Horace]

Yes mate.



It appears that this is exactly what they did.

This looks to me to be a "phase I" type trial. I suspect they will ramp it up next to "phase II" (more test subjects & dosage protocols)



Makes sense to me Horrie, but do the right thing and you should never have to bother with the option.

Thanks Snake. I'm certainly trying to do the right thing, however if there is a potential window for it to get to us, it is the fact that young Horace works at Woolies. They are refining their practices all the time, however, in my opinion they should have introduced a policy where all their staff are wearing masks. So that's potentially a risk to us if he unwittingly picks it up and brings it home.

I have a further question being has it been established yet what the time frame is for incubation of this virus. I have a dilemma later this month when I meet 4 different clients, at their homes, as part of a long established program. They are all aged over 70, with one close to 80 and who is not in the greatest of health. I plan to tell them that I will not visit them and instead we will chat over the phone. They may or may not be happy with this. (i will be disappointed if they fall into the latter category).

So knowing the incubation period seems to me to be a very good reason for adopting a "no face to face" meeting program for the foreseeable period, If I've got some concrete facts on incubation. Applying common sense should really be the reason for not having a face to face meeting, but common sense is an increasingly rare commodity these days.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

 

[Horace]

Its interesting.

All patients had other treatments as well. Specifically covid 19 anti vitals.

I dunno if they were helping tho. I'm still reading it but it looks promising
If I was going on a ventilator and someone offered it to me as an experimental treatment I wouldn't hesitate to say yes.

I'd instruct them to do the treatment before I got to the ventilator stage, because frankly, needing to be hooked onto a ventilator reminds me of being 10 goals down with a few minutes to go in the last quarter and kicking into a gale force wind. Not to mention Razor Ray officiating.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I'd instruct them to do the treatment before I got to the ventilator stage, because frankly, needing to be hooked onto a ventilator reminds me of being 10 goals down with a few minutes to go in the last quarter and kicking into a gale force wind. Not to mention Razor Ray officiating.

It's not that easy and I don't know if we even conduct these treatments here yet.

Politicians, as usual, get in the way.

 

[ferball]

If I had the option, yeah, I'd go earlier too - maybe if I get it and need to go to hospital.

There are stories of people going from mild or even no symptoms to ventilators in very short times tho. Hours allegedly. Even young seemingly healthy people.

 

[Horace]

The information on incubation is quite scary. This is from an Australian Government fact sheet. I think I have the information I need though.

"The incubation period is the duration between exposure to the virus and the onset of symptoms. The World Health Organization (WHO) currently estimates that the incubation period ranges from 1 to 14 days, with a median incubation period of 5 to 6 days. These estimates will be refined as more data becomes available. The Department is aware of reports that suggest there have been cases with longer incubation periods, such as 24 days. The incubation period of infections often has a skewed distribution, where most patients have an incubation period that clusters around the average, but a few patients have a longer incubation period. Medical experts believe reports of cases with longer incubation periods are statistical outliers – while longer incubation periods are possible, they may have been reported in error, or had exposure to an unidentified case at a later date that has not been identified in a transmission chain."

The link is below.

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/03/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-clinicians.pdf

 

[Orange Peanut]

Thanks Snake. I'm certainly trying to do the right thing, however if there is a potential window for it to get to us, it is the fact that young Horace works at Woolies. They are refining their practices all the time, however, in my opinion they should have introduced a policy where all their staff are wearing masks. So that's potentially a risk to us if he unwittingly picks it up and brings it home.

I have a further question being has it been established yet what the time frame is for incubation of this virus. I have a dilemma later this month when I meet 4 different clients, at their homes, as part of a long established program. They are all aged over 70, with one close to 80 and who is not in the greatest of health. I plan to tell them that I will not visit them and instead we will chat over the phone. They may or may not be happy with this. (i will be disappointed if they fall into the latter category).

So knowing the incubation period seems to me to be a very good reason for adopting a "no face to face" meeting program for the foreseeable period, If I've got some concrete facts on incubation. Applying common sense should really be the reason for not having a face to face meeting, but common sense is an increasingly rare commodity these days.

Horace, hope the young bloke is going ok. I'm in a similar boat with OP Jr who is in the same line of work. My wife is a nurse and she has him on the same strict post-work protocol that she follows: he comes in to the house through the back door, places his clothes straight in the washing machine, and then gets into the shower. No contact with any of us until he is thoroughly clean and in house clothes.
Not trying to tell people what to do, and you might already be following something similar, but that's what our health workers are being recommended to practise in a bid to reduce the risk of spread at home as much as possible.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

All of us right now.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Ironic.