Coronavirus

[kranky al]

wow even the CDC are now comparing the dreaded corona virus with the seasonal flu ....

*wrong mortality rate as in % of community who will die

* outrageously wrong models stating 150,000 will die in Australia

growing debate over whether the lockdown actually achieved much when compared to Sweden, Japan and a few other countries

*lied to about how this would effect children when it was quite clearly known it had less effect that the flu

* in general lied to about how this will effect anyone under the age of 70 odd or in any sort of general health


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I mean around 500 people died of it yesterday in sweden - a population of ten million...

 

[Johnny Bananas]

'Teachers bewildered': Mandurah school principal stood down after urging parents to keep children home

A Mandurah school principal has been stood down pending an investigation overnight after urging parents to keep their...

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McGowan needs to show some leadership and reverse this one, this decision is just idiotic.

 

[kranky al]

wow even the CDC are now comparing the dreaded corona virus with the seasonal flu ....

*wrong mortality rate as in % of community who will die

* outrageously wrong models stating 150,000 will die in Australia

growing debate over whether the lockdown actually achieved much when compared to Sweden, Japan and a few other countries

*lied to about how this would effect children when it was quite clearly known it had less effect that the flu

* in general lied to about how this will effect anyone under the age of 70 odd or in any sort of general health


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ItS jUsT a FlU

 

[Les Malone]

I mean around 500 people died of it yesterday in sweden - a population of ten million...

ItS jUsT a FlU

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shouldn't you be contacting the CDC who compares it with the flu big fella ?.

you got it right, they got it wrong ?.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

wow even the CDC are now comparing the dreaded corona virus with the seasonal flu ....

*wrong mortality rate as in % of community who will die

* outrageously wrong models stating 150,000 will die in Australia

growing debate over whether the lockdown actually achieved much when compared to Sweden, Japan and a few other countries

*lied to about how this would effect children when it was quite clearly known it had less effect that the flu

* in general lied to about how this will effect anyone under the age of 70 odd or in any sort of general health


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How was the Flu Klux Klan meeting Les?

 

[Les Malone]

How was the Flu Klux Klan meeting Les?

This is what we discussed, even the CDC admits it now, its comparable to the flu, we weren't allowed to say that before, but we have official confirmation that the narrative is being destroyed bit by bit, i am glad to be of some help to do that.

i am hoping our stupid Government who have created 2,000,000 on the dole and over 800,000 on jobkeeper comes to the realization sooner than later that this was a hysterical over reaction - actually i think they always knew.

 

[Les Malone]

'Teachers bewildered': Mandurah school principal stood down after urging parents to keep children home

A Mandurah school principal has been stood down pending an investigation overnight after urging parents to keep their...

www.mandurahmail.com.au

McGowan needs to show some leadership and reverse this one, this decision is just idiotic.

why should he, AFAIK no one under 18 died from corona in NY or so far in Sweden.

the CDC state themselves that hospitalization rates are higher for the flu than for corona

what seems to be the problem, should we close the schools because flu hospitalization rates are higher ?

 

[kranky al]

why should he, AFAIK no one under 18 died from corona in NY or so far in Sweden.

the CDC state themselves that hospitalization rates are higher for the flu than for corona

what seems to be the problem, should we close the schools because flu hospitalization rates are higher ?

Ok this whole age thing - like deaths dont matter if they are old - pretty distasteful.

 

[Les Malone]

Ok this whole age thing - like deaths dont matter if they are old - pretty distasteful.

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its just like the flu, do you have a hard time dealing with that ?.

 

[kranky al]

its just like the flu, do you have a hard time dealing with that ?.

Its not just like the flu.

the death rates are much higher.


Seeing as you like to selectively quote the cdc:

U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported, C.D.C. Data Suggests (Published 2020)

In seven hard-hit states, total deaths are nearly 50 percent higher than normal, according to new C.D.C. statistics, suggesting that the virus has killed far more people than the number in official counts.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Ghost Patrol]

its just like the flu, do you have a hard time dealing with that ?.

I've never had the flu. What's it like? Is it dangerous?

 

[Les Malone]

Its not just like the flu.

the death rates are much higher.


Seeing as you like to selectively quote the cdc:

U.S. Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported, C.D.C. Data Suggests (Published 2020)

In seven hard-hit states, total deaths are nearly 50 percent higher than normal, according to new C.D.C. statistics, suggesting that the virus has killed far more people than the number in official counts.

www.nytimes.com

well now you are talking about death rates- quite distasteful would have thought!, at any rate i can quote many studies via different methods that actually do place corona virus mortality rate at seasonal flu levels, so now what is your point ?.

perhaps you can explain why the death in Sweden that did not lockdown is so low, we were told 150,000 here, 500,000 in the uk and 2 million in the USA, they have 2600 dead basically all from aged care facilities, pro rata they should have around 75,000 dead - where are they ?

Japan has just emerged from its flu season. It has had no lockdown, a population 5x larger than Australia … and 455 deaths (much lower than Australia on a pro capita basis). , Singapore had a mild lockdown, lifted it and we were told fatalities would skyrocket. Singapore has a population of 5.6m and 16 fatalities, Taiwan has a similar population to Australia, has had no lockdown (bar the frail elderly) … and has had six fatalities,

 

[Les Malone]

I've never had the flu. What's it like? Is it dangerous?

get out in the sun, exercise and eat healthily and you should be fine,

Oh that reminds me, you were the poster that stated the lockdown was good, you got double your dole money and could save some and you hope it lasts for some time - that was you wasnt it ?.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

get out in the sun, exercise and eat healthily and you should be fine,

Oh that reminds me, you were the poster that stated the lockdown was good, you got double your dole money and could save some and you hope it lasts for some time - that was you wasnt it ?.

Yes. I also said that I would prefer to be working, and am looking for work.

 

[kranky al]

well now you are talking about death rates- quite distasteful would have thought!, at any rate i can quote many studies via different methods that actually do place corona virus mortality rate at seasonal flu levels, so now what is your point ?.

perhaps you can explain why the death in Sweden that did not lockdown is so low, we were told 150,000 here, 500,000 in the uk and 2 million in the USA, they have 2600 dead basically all from aged care facilities, pro rata they should have around 75,000 dead - where are they ?

Japan has just emerged from its flu season. It has had no lockdown, a population 5x larger than Australia … and 455 deaths (much lower than Australia on a pro capita basis). , Singapore had a mild lockdown, lifted it and we were told fatalities would skyrocket. Singapore has a population of 5.6m and 16 fatalities, Taiwan has a similar population to Australia, has had no lockdown (bar the frail elderly) … and has had six fatalities,

500 people died in sweden from covid yesterday. At that death rate given they have 1/2 our population - to reach 75000 people would require 150 days.

swedens death rate is 6 times norways and finlands

source:https://www.businessinsider.com/pho...rus-responses-fatality-rates-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

TaIwan is an island state under constant threat from china - one of their perceived threats is germ warfare so they have a military style defense system operating at all times with strict quarantine rules, temperature checkers at airports etc.

as for the death rates - they were predicated on doing nothing - if we carry in business as usual.

We obviously havnt.

 

[Les Malone]

500 people died in sweden from covid yesterday. At that death rate given they have 1/2 our population - to reach 75000 people would require 150 days.

swedens death rate is 6 times norways and finlands

source:https://www.businessinsider.com/pho...rus-responses-fatality-rates-2020-4?r=US&IR=T

TaIwan is an island state under constant threat from china - one of their perceived threats is germ warfare so they have a military style defense system operating at all times with strict quarantine rules, temperature checkers at airports etc.

as for the death rates - they were predicated on doing nothing - if we carry in business as usual.

We obviously havnt.

your denial is like circle work - around and around

the death rates were based on not locking down, they didn't and other countries did not as well, the disease is like any respiratory disease it comes and goes, it reaches its peak which it has done in Sweden ( stockholm) about 2 weeks ago, so where is the huge death rate in Sweden - the infection has peaked?

Its just a seasonal virus, its not the bubonic plague, it has mortality rates similar to the flu and not every flu has the same rate, it has hospital admittance rates similar to the flu, it actually has lower death and hospital rates for young people.

why the fear ?, why do you keep believing the propaganda, are you a public servant ?

 

[kranky al]

your denial is like circle work - around and around

the death rates were based on not locking down, they didn't and other countries did not as well, the disease is like any respiratory disease it comes and goes, it reaches its peak which it has done in Sweden ( stockholm) about 2 weeks ago, so where is the huge death rate in Sweden - the infection has peaked?

Its just a seasonal virus, its not the bubonic plague, it has mortality rates similar to the flu and not every flu has the same rate, it has hospital admittance rates similar to the flu, it actually has lower death and hospital rates for young people.

why the fear ?, why do you keep believing the propaganda, are you a public servant ?

500 people died in sweden of covid YESTERDAY - they didnt lock down

2 people died in finland - they did lock down

 

[Les Malone]

John Ruddick

@JohnRuddick2

1. Australia’s federal Health Minister Greg Hunt tells us: “The early scenarios we saw were absolutely real. If Australia had done nothing the virus would have ripped through the Australian community and led to massive human loss.”

2. Paul Kelly in The Australian tells us if we doubt that view we are ‘malicious’ and belong to the 'populist right.' Golly. Why the vitriol? Is the establishment defensive over claims they have over-reacted and unnecessarily harmed the economy?

3. A month ago we were told Australia faced 150,000 virus deaths and today we have less than 100. Is that success because of the lockdown? Let’s soberly consider the data. Since 90% + of nations are in lockdown it’s hard to compare but we do have a few valuable outliers.

4. Let’s start with Sweden. Britain embarked on the ‘herd immunity’ approach but jettisoned it within days but Sweden has persisted. Brazil’s president is championing herd immunity but his state governors have rebelled and mostly enforced one anyway.

5. Sweden has light touch government mandated social restrictions but has mostly trusted its citizens to social distance. Sweden can fairly be compared to its neighbour Norway – same climate, same lifestyle, same economy … except Norway has half Sweden’s population.

6. Norway has had 210 deaths and Sweden 2,653. On a per capita basis Sweden’s fatality rate is six times higher than Norway’s … which at face value is alarmingly higher.

7. Sweden’s many critics a month ago predicted what Minister Hunt has declared would be our fate with no lockdown – ‘massive human loss.’ That has not happened but the fatality rate is still high compared to Norway.

8. The Swedes soberly anticipated this outcome in advance. Their thinking was short-term pain for long-term gain. While the rest of Europe has barely any herd immunity the Swedes almost certainly do … so the chances of a second wave in Sweden is far lower than its neighbours

9. Sweden could easily end up with a far lower fatality rate because its population is largely immune. Plus the Swedes haven’t strangled their economy in the process. But more significant is that without a crude lockdown the Swedish fatality rate is in sharp decline.

10. Minister Hunt says we would have had ‘massive human loss’ without the lockdown. So why is the Swedish fatality rate not only not going exponential as predicted … but in sharp decline? We should be at least curious if not celebrate Sweden's lockdown-free decline in fatalites

11. Let’s look at the three Asian nations which resisted a lockdown. Taiwan has a similar population to Australia, has had no lockdown (bar the frail elderly) … and has had six fatalities.

12. Singapore had a mild lockdown, lifted it and we were told fatalities would skyrocket. Singapore has a population of 5.6m and 16 fatalities.

13. Japan has just emerged from its flu season. It has had no lockdown, a population 5x larger than Australia … and 455 deaths (much lower than Australia on a pro capita basis).

14. Let’s go to the other extreme – New Zealand. A month and a half ago Kiwis were told, ‘you will stay at the house you sleep in tonight and you will not leave.’ Aussies have been drive-in at McDonalds but Kiwis couldn’t even do that till this week.

15. New Zealand has a fifth of our population and 20 fatalities … which is slightly more than Australia on a per capita basis. If Minister Hunt is correct why hasn’t New Zealand seen noticeably fewer fatalities?

16. Minister Hunt has little basis for claiming the lockdown has averted a catastrophe. Is it political spin to defend the government against the charge that it has inflicted unnecessary economic damage on the economy?

17. But, but, but … what about the US? The US flu season officially ends on 30 April each year. In the 2018 flu season 80,000 Americans died of the flu and we didn’t hear a word about it outside of medical journals.

18. The COVID fataltiy rate is 65,766 and now in decline. US flu deaths this season has plummeted so it’s pretty obvious that many of those who were going to die of the flu have instead died of COVID.

19. What would have happened if the US had followed the herd immunity strategy? Who knows but worst case it would have doubled. If the US didn’t shrug about the 2018 flu figures did they really need such a severe lockdown for COVID?

20. If the US had a Swedish style light-touch approach it would likely have given the population protection against a second wave. Meanwhile 30,000,000 Americans have become unemployed in just six weeks. Nothing in history compares with that data.

21. Recessions result in increased in crime, bad health outcomes, family breakdown, suicide and a general sense of personal and national despair. A depression is unlikely but far from impossible and that would only magnify the carnage – so why risk it?

22. The death toll from a recession could easily be far more significant than if Australia had pursued a strategy of a light touch approach with a few sharp, short localised lockdowns but generally soldier on with voluntary social distancing and quarantining the vulnerable.

23. If we had pursued that strategy we may have had higher fatalities in the short-term but developed a herd immunity, avert the threat of this going on and on and end up with less fatalities in the long term.

24. Plus we wouldn’t have had to jack up our public debt or risk serious harm to our economy. We won’t know for another a year or two but this contrary view should be on the table and not maligned.

 

[Les Malone]

500 people died in sweden of covid YESTERDAY - they didnt lock down

2 people died in finland - they did lock down

yet Ireland which has a higher death rate per million than Sweden is praised by the WHO because of their lockdown - can you follow at all the lies!

it appears even so called intelligent people cant see through all the lies we are fed

 

[kranky al]

yet Ireland which has a higher death rate per million than Sweden is praised by the WHO because of their lockdown - can you follow at all the lies!

it appears even so called intelligent people cant see through all the lies we are fed

I love how every time something you say is categorically disproven you move the goalposts.

Lets just back it up a bit here - you said :

<<the disease is like any respiratory disease it comes and goes, it reaches its peak which it has done in Sweden ( stockholm) about 2 weeks ago, so where is the huge death rate in Sweden - the infection has peaked?>>

I replied that 500 people died in sweden yesterday of covid.

id call that a pretty large death rate - wouldnt you?

Btw :

• England's death rate out of total cases is 13.4%. Ireland's is 3.8%

You are trying to compare results from different regions with different travel parameters - when you compare with the same regions - you get a completely different result.

you are cherry picking the crap out of your stats

 

[Les Malone]

I love how every time something you say is categorically disproven you move the goalposts.

Lets just back it up a bit here - you said :

<<the disease is like any respiratory disease it comes and goes, it reaches its peak which it has done in Sweden ( stockholm) about 2 weeks ago, so where is the huge death rate in Sweden - the infection has peaked?>>

I replied that 500 people died in sweden yesterday of covid.

id call that a pretty large death rate - wouldnt you?

Btw :

• England's death rate out of total cases is 13.4%. Ireland's is 3.8%

You are trying to compare results from different regions with different travel parameters - when you compare with the same regions - you get a completely different result.

you are cherry picking the crap out of your stats

i am afraid that is you

using our model of 150,000 dead if we did not lockdown equates to about 75,000 in Sweden - where are they and where are the burial pits ?

its pretty simple to answer and is not cherry picking stats

BTW where is you link on 500 people dying yesterday in Sweden i had a look on your link and it said 16

 

[Les Malone]

I love how every time something you say is categorically disproven you move the goalposts.

Lets just back it up a bit here - you said :

<<the disease is like any respiratory disease it comes and goes, it reaches its peak which it has done in Sweden ( stockholm) about 2 weeks ago, so where is the huge death rate in Sweden - the infection has peaked?>>

I replied that 500 people died in sweden yesterday of covid.

id call that a pretty large death rate - wouldnt you?

Btw :

• England's death rate out of total cases is 13.4%. Ireland's is 3.8%

You are trying to compare results from different regions with different travel parameters - when you compare with the same regions - you get a completely different result.

you are cherry picking the crap out of your stats

also not cherry picking stats says this ........




or this

 

[Les Malone]

you wont see either of those bits of info on the news at night

 

[Les Malone]

How clever is the Covid 19 virus

It can’t get you at K mart, Coles, Woolies, some schools, Bunnings. But it can get you at Pubs, Clubs, the beach, the park Restaurants, Cafe’s, Churches hair salons and other small businesses

 

[Ghost Patrol]

How clever is the Covid 19 virus

It can’t get you at K mart, Coles, Woolies, some schools, Bunnings. But it can get you at Pubs, Clubs, the beach, the park Restaurants, Cafe’s, Churches hair salons and other small businesses

To be fair, I doubt many people catch STDs at Kmart, Coles Woolies etc, compared to pubs, clubs, beaches and churches.